TazMan2000
Master Member
You're happy. You can go about your business. Move along....
TazMan2000
TazMan2000
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SawbonesAdmiral
Active Member
I liked the new characters and how legacy's a big thing: Rey is looking for her own by looking for her parents, Ben is trying to escape his own.
As for the designs I do like the newer ones over some of the EU ones; the TIE Avenger mentioned is too much like the regular TIE Advanced, and I prefer the Silencer to the Avenger.
In the end though it's more of personal taste and my preference goes in this order: ST = PT > OT.
Hunk a Junk
Sr Member
Over the course of two and a half decades of online arguments over Star Wars, I've come to the following conclusions:
1) People like what they like. Let them. If someone likes the PT, the ST, the SEs, or only the OT, it's not anyone's job to tell them they're wrong. Art is subjective. Appreciate the fact that there's something about Star Wars they like. Fellow geeks aren't the enemy. Everyone knows the real enemy is jocks. Go pick a fight on ESPN.com.
2) "Debates" almost always devolve into phallus measuring. Put away the tape measure, get some therapy, and re-read conclusion #1.
3) The internet has convinced everyone they can be an 'influencer." People want to "influence the debate" to convince people to their "side" or shame others for being on an opposite side. This is usually driven by fear -- fear that we're not on the winning team, that we'll be an outcast, that we'll be alone. Everyone wants to belong. In the case of Star Wars, it's also because they've invested so much of their time and money into all things Star Wars that they mistakenly believe they "own" a piece of it and should have a say in how the franchise is run. They don't. George owned it and now Disney owns it. The only vote we get is with our wallets. That's it. Everything else is hot air. Get some therapy and re-read conclusion #1.
4) We are bad communicators. I'm as guilty as anyone. I've made comments I thought were innocent that were taken badly and I've made bad comments when I'm in a bad mood that people didn't deserve. People are rarely the jackholes they may seem to be based on any given comment. Be generous in both apologies and forgiveness. Then get some therapy and re-read conclusion #1.
There's probably more, but those are the big ones.
1) People like what they like. Let them. If someone likes the PT, the ST, the SEs, or only the OT, it's not anyone's job to tell them they're wrong. Art is subjective. Appreciate the fact that there's something about Star Wars they like. Fellow geeks aren't the enemy. Everyone knows the real enemy is jocks. Go pick a fight on ESPN.com.
2) "Debates" almost always devolve into phallus measuring. Put away the tape measure, get some therapy, and re-read conclusion #1.
3) The internet has convinced everyone they can be an 'influencer." People want to "influence the debate" to convince people to their "side" or shame others for being on an opposite side. This is usually driven by fear -- fear that we're not on the winning team, that we'll be an outcast, that we'll be alone. Everyone wants to belong. In the case of Star Wars, it's also because they've invested so much of their time and money into all things Star Wars that they mistakenly believe they "own" a piece of it and should have a say in how the franchise is run. They don't. George owned it and now Disney owns it. The only vote we get is with our wallets. That's it. Everything else is hot air. Get some therapy and re-read conclusion #1.
4) We are bad communicators. I'm as guilty as anyone. I've made comments I thought were innocent that were taken badly and I've made bad comments when I'm in a bad mood that people didn't deserve. People are rarely the jackholes they may seem to be based on any given comment. Be generous in both apologies and forgiveness. Then get some therapy and re-read conclusion #1.
There's probably more, but those are the big ones.
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INVAR
Sr Member
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Preach that truth brother! Preach it far and wide! Especially that 'Influencer' bit.
Hey! I'm a jock...lol... A nerdy jock... but still. You're right, though, movies, for the most part, are subjective. There are some crap movies out there, but that's based on the acting and storytelling. Those things are not subjective, to a point. I never listen to critics and often try to turn a blind eye to negativity focused on Star Wars. Anything we have to say about how we feel about something is always just an opinion.
Except for flat earthers... they be crazy...
Hunk a Junk
Sr Member
Joking about "jocks" but maybe I should split hairs between "jocks" and athletes.
In my definition (which is by no means the only one), "jocks" would be the toxic combination of athlete and bully -- with emphasis on the bully part. Any kind of person can be a bully -- including Star Wars fans -- but with jocks there is a physical intimidation factor. I don't think anyone has every been afraid of a Star Wars fan kicking their ass.Acting and storytelling are by definition subjective. One person's "crap" is another person's classic. You're right that it is all just opinion -- which is another way of saying it's all subjective. That's my point. People aren't always very good about expressing the difference between subjective opinion and objective fact. Intentionally or unintentionally, people mix the two. And that's when conflicts begin. If I say "the acting in ANH is crap" as if it was an objective truth, there will undoubtedly be people who feel differently. By making it sound like an objective truth, I'm telling them they're wrong. And people don't like being told they're wrong (even flat earthers will refuse to believe they're wrong even when presented with objective evidence). Now, some would say that their subjective comments have an implicit "in my opinion..." tagged in front of it, but that's where the "we're bad communicators" part comes in. People can't read our minds, especially in a comment on the Internet. We think we're just stating an opinion, but to others it's a challenge. Confusion leads to conflict. Depending on how deeply people are invested in their opinion, it then leads to phallus measuring. Which leads us back to "get therapy and let people like what they like."
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INVAR
Sr Member
We simply now live in a culture and society where your personal opinion and beliefs must be ridiculed, maligned and punished unless they agree with the Collective, mostly by those who intend to push and influence an agenda that requires total agreement and lockstep with THEM. Groupthink demands you like what they like and that you must hate what they hate - or else you are causing 'offense' and are a 'hater'.
The Projection is strong with them.
The Projection is strong with them.
Any word on a 1/48 Y-Wing? No? K bye.
that's why we cant have a nice things.
to be honest, EU stuff was also unimaginative crap for the most part. Superwapon after superweapon (usualy some variation of DS superlaser put on everything that could fly), another TIE after another TIE, another bigger ISD after another bigger ISD. If you look closer, there were only a few good stories (or just good ideas for a stories that were poorly executed by their writers) that made it look batter than it really was.
But EU was made by some second and third rate writers (sorry if that opinion hurt sombodys feelings, but even the best ones like Timothy Zahn aren't close to become sci-fi legends), so crap like that was expected. Disney on the other hand is multi-bilionaire company holding half of the movie market in it's hands, so they could afford some competent story writers and designers. Zahn, despite some flaws in his writing, made an interesting trilogy that moved character arcs and entire galaxy in the new direction (era of warlords fighting for power, far more belivable than sudden colapse of the empire because some SSD was crashed into the planet; big bad guy who didnt need the force to threat good guys; introduction fo smaller yet still capable imperial ships instead of overusing another oversized ISDs) - something that disney couldnt achive with two movies and whole council of writers. Yep, they're cherrypicking stuff from EU but somehow they're always making worse version of that particular storybit (Rey and Kylo are less interesting version of jacen and jain, Solo backstory from seven books were crammed into one movie and a week timespan, thrawn is shadow of himself despite coming from the same story writer, etc).
Just look at that dagger - TIE interceptor without the gap between wings, probably yet another rejected (and for a good reason) early concept from ROTJ. Woohoo, TIE Punisher level of originality.
But the saddest part of that is you cannot say it loud, because every SW discussion turns into more or less polite accusations how big hater you are bacause you dont love everything that comes with SW logo, especially if that's related to ST. Dunno if people feel so insecure with their love to that movies and are affraid that simple discussion would change their minds or what. That way disney wont improve on anything, but it seems that some are fine with medicority and say we shouldnt expect any quality for some reason.
Let's just agree then that 1/72 TIE bomber would be the best next bandai model and call it a day.
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TazMan2000
Master Member
Really?
I dont know about you but I have a lot of nice things on my shelf. A lot manufactured by Bandai, some by GKers, and some by me.
Look, I get it. I am wishing for Bandai to make what "I want" them to make too, but this forum, even though I think it's the best in the world, isn't going to change the minds of Bandai executives. I do beleive it can make a slight difference though, with some Japanese members that go to the conventions/shows, or members that have some ties to the Bandai people that run the booths at those shows, where we hope that our views are heard and mentioned to their bosses.
It's hard not to be pessimistic when the models that we all are waiting for (and every one of us has a different list) don't show up on the 'next releases' list, especially when something unexpected gets released.
My comment was not meant to take sides. Since there is little that we can do except hope, we might as well just be patient, and happy, that anything is getting released at all. I remember the 'Good ole days' where we would be on our rocking chairs waiting a year for the next FineMolds release...and when it wasn't what we hoped, we were still 'thankful for what we received!'.
Getting everything we always wanted would stop us from being creative. If Bandai doesn't make what we want, let's all make something to fill the gap. Not necessarily for selling , but just for ourselves. I find scratch building an enormously rewarding hobby.
In reality, we are pretty lucky. We hoped for a 1/72 MF and we got it. A large SD was in the works, but Zvezda's release put an end to that. We wanted a B-Wing, A-Wing, small SD, small SSD we got it. I believe all that we want will eventually be released. We just have to be patient and keep supporting our LHSs and Bandai to let them know there is a strong yearning for their kits.
Oh yeah. What's that old quote? "...you're never going to make everyone happy all of the time."
TazMan2000
Attirex
Well-Known Member
I never thought that 40 years after the fact, we'd finally get a veritable ton of awesome SW kits lol. Long wait, but worth it (especially now that I'm older and have the money and skill to do them justice). If Bandai were to end its SW run now (always possible), I'd be happy. Take a bow, Bandai!
As for opinions on the movies--to each his own. You like what you like, I like what I like, world continues to spin, etc.
I saw ANH at a drive-in in 1977 when I seven, from the back of my parents' 1968 Chevy van. I watched Rogue One by myself in an almost empty matinee three days after one of those parents died (my mom). Star Wars has and always will be a part of life, it seems. So mote it be.
As for opinions on the movies--to each his own. You like what you like, I like what I like, world continues to spin, etc.
I saw ANH at a drive-in in 1977 when I seven, from the back of my parents' 1968 Chevy van. I watched Rogue One by myself in an almost empty matinee three days after one of those parents died (my mom). Star Wars has and always will be a part of life, it seems. So mote it be.
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
INVAR
Sr Member
One question....what is a phallus??
It's an Imperial measurement used to determine the ridiculous vast scale of destroyers and death stars to compensate for the Emperor's... errr - "lack of stature".
He never really was a hit with the ladies.
Hunk a Junk
Sr Member
One question....what is a phallus??
One looks suspiciously like this...
Your Freudian mileage may vary.
That was the point. The TIE Avenger was supposed to be a direct application of the tech that was tested out on Vader's TIE. It would have made more sense than making the TIE solar panels white and adding a gunner, IMO.
You would use the SE to illustrate, wouldn't you.
I wouldn't fault that. The Death Star scenes were one area where it made sense to add more fighters. It's a shame they didn't do that with ROTJ instead of adding a new, cringier song to Jabba's Palace...
I misread your post then, because I understood it as yet another "disney is doing great job, stop whining, everything is awesome (everything is cool when you're part of a team), you shouldnt discuss about that - otherwise you're an hater and wannabe influencer (lol'd)", my bad. I have nothing but respect for bandai for what they did with already published models, and as for unpublished... well, at the end of the day they're yet another corporation, they will do whatever brings them money. Just hope that some more obscure stuff from OT or more prequel stuff is still on their to-do list
ggriffaw
Sr Member
I bet if we had never seen some of the classic designs until the ST plenty of people would criticize them too. This is a very different time than when the OT came out. Sometimes things are classic largely because of the timing.
Same with music. If certain classic Beatles songs came out at a different time, they may have not been considered classics now.
Now it is almost impossible to create anything that will generate the same excitement and lasting appeal as the OT Star Wars films did regardless of the quality. Back then we were blown away by special effects that look pretty bad by today's standards. Now so many people need to be negative about everything.
I'm not saying the ST films or designs are at the OT level. I just think that is almost impossible to do because of how things are now.
Same with music. If certain classic Beatles songs came out at a different time, they may have not been considered classics now.
Now it is almost impossible to create anything that will generate the same excitement and lasting appeal as the OT Star Wars films did regardless of the quality. Back then we were blown away by special effects that look pretty bad by today's standards. Now so many people need to be negative about everything.
I'm not saying the ST films or designs are at the OT level. I just think that is almost impossible to do because of how things are now.
Subzero121
New Member
I am glad Bandai kits are available and how kits have improved over the years. Opinions vary, bring dialogue and allow us to look at things from different views. Hopefully in a constructive way. I enjoy my Bandai kits immensely and wish that they continue. The TIE Bomber is a good option. I also would like a Nebulon B or a decent sized Corvette. There are very good kits out there but pricey and rare. The Otana from Rebel Alliance has always being an interest of mine.
