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I'm not sure if we watched the same trailers, because for me...
...it looks like not just "some much larger chunks", but almost quarter of the northern hemisphere reached surface almost intact, whole throne room included :|
it's not about realism, it's about following established in-universe logic. For example, why ISD fleet is considered a problem, when it can be easily obliterated by two ships jumping into hyperspace. If chunks are a thing, whole rebel party on endor would be killed by falling death star parts, fleet on orbit included.
You‘re assuming these parts land on the very small area of Endor where the Rebels are. Planets are big. Space is bigger. There’s plenty of room for the Death Star to explode with fragments falling back to Endor without squashing the Rebels...
That all being said, let’s get back to the topic at hand. There are plenty of other threads to discuss the trailer.
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Apparently the name of the ocean moon that they're on is Kef Bir.
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High-energy plasma arc collimated into near-one-dimensionality by the emitter and, by handing the arc off to adjacent node pairs arrayed in a circle, "spinning" at nearly lightspeed. This covers all the lightsaber effects from the OT. Our technology is just too primitive at this point to make it effective or portable.
A macroscopic amplification of learning how to manipulate probability fields in the quantum foam. A transport target is isolated and the probability of them being here is suppressed while the probability of them being over there is magnified until a threshold is crossed and the subject stops being here and starts being there, instead. Theoretical model, but our technology has a ways to go before we can even begin experimenting with quantum-scale probability manipulation.I'm starting to believe that none of this is real and Star Wars is just made up. I bet those transporters in Star Trek are also impossible.
no, if anything, I'm assuming that object so big would obliterate entire moon on crash, what we seen is about 40x40 km big (to give you some scale, asteroid that killed dinosaurs had only ~10 km). Also, If rebels on surface could see explosion of the death star, we can assume that they werent on the opposite side of the moon. Also, this part wasnt facing the moon when it was blown up so it should go into deep space. Hell, if such big part would remain intact, you would see it in the movie. If not directly, then shadow it would cast. But even ignoring real world physics, ROTJ showed us that it evaporated with only small chunks reaching surface of the moon. Telling us now that in reality it just cracked into few big parts is one of the most forced retcons I've ever seen.
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that makes more sense from physics point of view, but turning quarter of the death star into interstellar escape pod for palpatine (or his ghost) still sounds idiotic. It's basically ripping off ending of space balls now lol But seriously, do they really need to take yet another thing from EU but make it worse? Zahn's motiff that dark side was easily felt on the endor's orbit where Palpatine died was really far better way of bringing his bad influence back.
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TazMan2000
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I agree partially to your comments. Knowledge of mathematics, physics, geology and other sciences have to be thrown out the window in order to enjoy Star Wars. I remember after my Military and Explosive Ordnance Disposal training, action movies just seemed a little less real and enjoyable. But truth in life should still play some part in movies so that your mind doesn't have to consistently be forced to accept every implausibility. Since I've never been in space, it's not too hard to convince my mind that sound can't travel in a vacuum, nor do I question how ships maneuver in space exactly how they manuever in an atmosphere. Wouldn't that be boring if plausibility was enforced?
TazMan2000
Don't think! The writers aren't!
TazMan2000, you mean you can't outrun an explosion?
I know, but force of explosion should give it some push. We also talk about much bigger mass.
anyway, it's funny how that argument makes "death star escape pod" idea even more stupid, because travel to another planet/system for that chunk in merely 30 years would required insane speed, thus, eventual crash would evaporate the planet it would "land" on.
I agree with tazman here - "truth in life should still play some part in movies so that your mind doesn't have to consistently be forced to accept every implausibility". Pretending that previously evaporated battlestation just teleported onto another planet is as stupid as showing us that you can go out into space without spacesuit...
...oh wait, they already did that in TLJ
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Hunk a Junk
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I'm not sure if we watched the same trailers, because for me...
...it looks like not just "some much larger chunks", but almost quarter of the northern hemisphere reached surface almost intact, whole throne room included :|
Imagine it as piece of an eggshell that cracked off. We don't know how much material is behind that facade. It could be a fairly thin chunk of the surface shell.
Regardless, the biggest consideration here is this: it needs to read visually. The Death Star is a fairly simple shape with only three identifiable details -- it's a circle with a line and a smaller circle inside. The artists need to depict enough that audiences can quickly look at it and say, "Oh, that's the Death Star," with really very few visual clues. So in the picture above you really have the bare minimum that is required for it to read as "Death Star." Even then, when I first saw the trailer I didn't realize what I was looking at until I watched it a second time and paused the video. Art often involves trade-offs and cheats in order to tell a clearer and more effective story. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes less so. It's a movie. There's a fair argument for whether JJ should've created a story that requires a chunk of the Death Star in it at all, but I don't mind the bit of cheating going on in the above picture. Is it a big chunk? Yup. Is it too big? Maybe. Is it about the bare minimum needed to read visually that it's a chunk of the Death Star? I think it is.
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Hunk a Junk
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And before anyone starts in with the "yeah, but they were inside a space slug inside a cave inside an asteroid" stuff, there were plenty of complainers back in 1980 whining that this scene was so implausible that it ruined the movie. That was back before TESB became an untouchable holy relic of geekdom.
TazMan2000
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I'm assuming you mean when Lando flew through the DSII trying to outrun the fireball? Or the Jedha moon test? Yes, that and many others. I'm sure that everyone knows that light and sound travel at different rates. Sound doesn't travel in space. Fire can't exist without oxygen...etc.
Sometimes you have to turn off logic in your brain and just enjoy, but I hate it when moviemakers go way beyond that limit of what we can disregard. When they do that, they force my mind out of its "believable and entertained" state, and I have to try hard to get back into it.
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I guess we're all straying off topic.
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JeffBond
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Yeah, the ESB asteroid scene (with earth like gravity and atmospheric pressure, if not breathable air, inside the space slug) was a jarring WTF moment, but even worse was getting to Bespin with no hyperdrive. Up to then I thought Lucas had created a fairly believable, internally logical universe. After that all bets were off and plot developments basically were written for convenience. There's still a point where it can get too ridiculous--I've seen a lot of complaints about the "space horses" but my assumption is that scene takes place on a planet with an atmosphere.
RedheadKevin
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Read about the Endor Holocaust sometime. It's an essay outlining how destroying DS2 in orbit would cause an environmental disaster on Endor. It's actually an interesting read.
The Falcon used its very fast sublight engines to travel to Bespin. It took a lot longer than they showed. But the real neat thing is that traveling at high-sublight speeds would cause time dilation. It might only seem like a few hours on board the Falcon, but to the rest of the universe, the trip took much longer, maybe months. That's how the Empire and Fett could beat them to Bespin, and it also explains how Luke had time to get Jedi training.
Hey Bandai, any word on that 1/48 Y-Wing?
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JeffBond
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Realistically though, even a high-sublight speed trip between star systems would take years, not months--check out the recent article about how even Star Trek's warp speeds would actually take starships outrageous lengths of time to travel between major star systems. The distances involved are unimaginable. So the bottom line is it's space fantasy, not science fiction, and that applies to a lot of Star Trek too.
