Avengers: Endgame (Post-release)
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DARTH ANIBAL
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Not the snap itself, but the circumstances that lead to it.
firesprite
Master Member
How so? Even if Ultron had been successful, do we really think it would have been effective against Thanos and his minions?
Another possibility is that it also takes belief in your own worthiness and the desire to lift Mjolnir. In AoU Cap was worthy but his humility worked against him and he had no reason to want to lift Mjolnir until Endgame.
DARTH ANIBAL
Sr Member
Tony does. He felt something was better than nothing. I tend to agree. The odds shouldn't dictate whether or not a defense is put up.
(I was a 'Team Iron Man' guy for Civil War.
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firesprite
Master Member
Tony does. He felt something was better than nothing. I tend to agree. The odds shouldn't dictate whether or not a defense is put up.
(I was a 'Team Iron Man' guy for Civil War.
Which is fine... but I honestly feel that the line in End Game was just another moment of Tony's hubris. Even if Ultron had worked perfectly, there's no reason to think that it would have changed things in any significant way. By the time Thanos got to Earth, he still had multiple Infinity Stones and while Tony's vision for Ultron was powerful, there's no reason to realistically imagine that an army of automatons would be any sort of impediment to Thanos thus empowered.
firesprite
Master Member
double post
Noeland
Master Member
I don't think that was about the snap at all. I think the intention in that scene was that Tony was sick, angry, and lashing out over something unresolved because he felt pressured to solve the current crisis. Mix in the anger and resentment from civil war, pointed directly at Cap. I've known a handful of brilliant people in my life, and they get that way. Especially when they are not feeling capable.
Even later on when he was healthy and feeling capable and they showed up at the cabin, he was still not interested in solving any problems for them, or "talking shop". Had Cap not been involved, maybe he'd of been interested in talking. It was all part of the arc to split them up, and then bring them back together.
They needed to touch on Civil War in some fashion because it related directly to Steve and Tony working together, shaking hands, Tony asking Steve if he trusts him, all of that.
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To me it looks like they aged Peggy to her 40’s. That’s not exactly elderly.. She definitely looked older than she did in TFA but not as old as in Ant-Man. A lot of women still look terrific at that age.
firesprite
Master Member
She definitely had some age makeup on, and there was grey in her hair.
Not sure is this has been asked in these 20+ pages, but where did old Steve get the shield to pass on to Falcon? Thanos destroyed his shield.
Was it reforged in Wakanda? Was a new one created for him? Did he steal it from an earlier time period (which would have screwed a few things up)?
Was it reforged in Wakanda? Was a new one created for him? Did he steal it from an earlier time period (which would have screwed a few things up)?
patrickivan
Sr Member
If he took it from the past, it would only have screwed up the timeline that would have diverged from that moment. Not his timeline though. Of course for that to happen, he would have had to travel back a second into his prime timeline to be able to live it out, while of course condemning that alternate created timeline to whatever altered future that would have caused.
I ******* hate time travel stories.
That said: I don't think he took it. I think he just had one made to pass on. His moral standards are far to high to create another timeline. Though if I missed something, then I apologize for my ignorance at this point.
Strikerkc
Sr Member
Either way, if I recall, it's not a version of the shield that's ever been seen on film before, so it's very likely a new shield.
But the exact source? Who knows. Pulled strings while Peggy was alive? A back up made before Steve went on ice? A wakanda made shield, coordinated through Bucky (who seems pleased/unsurprised when Steve doesn't come back)? A non vibranium shield, that's just super durable? Maybe future falcon gets a new one made and takes it back to Steve in the 1960's when falcon retires of old age in 2057, so he can give it to young falcon in 2019(ish)?
Take your pick.
But the exact source? Who knows. Pulled strings while Peggy was alive? A back up made before Steve went on ice? A wakanda made shield, coordinated through Bucky (who seems pleased/unsurprised when Steve doesn't come back)? A non vibranium shield, that's just super durable? Maybe future falcon gets a new one made and takes it back to Steve in the 1960's when falcon retires of old age in 2057, so he can give it to young falcon in 2019(ish)?
Take your pick.
Solos blaster
Sr Member
Bucky knew Steve wasn't coming back, watch the scene again and their banter as well as Bucky not looking confused and completely siding with Steve in Sam taking the shield only reaffirms this to me.
As for the shield, it is different and IMO probably has some Stark or Wakanda tech in it to 'fit' Sam better. Perhaps they were even able to use some of Steve or Bucky's blood to produce a serum to give Sam so he isn't just "Sam or Falcon" and he will physically be on par with them come their series. I honestly don't see Sam being very physically capable as Captain America if something of the fashion doesn't happen. It will be just Bucky doing the physical fighting for Sam.
As for the shield, it is different and IMO probably has some Stark or Wakanda tech in it to 'fit' Sam better. Perhaps they were even able to use some of Steve or Bucky's blood to produce a serum to give Sam so he isn't just "Sam or Falcon" and he will physically be on par with them come their series. I honestly don't see Sam being very physically capable as Captain America if something of the fashion doesn't happen. It will be just Bucky doing the physical fighting for Sam.
Strikerkc
Sr Member
I don't know. Even with the wings he's got, we see Sam knocking over and essentially disemboweling at least one giant murder beast in end game. Between his weaponry and wings, Falcon is a scary dude. I know in at least some of the "Sam as cap" comics, Sam keeps the wings.
