ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

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just a pic to compare the HERO to the parts so far.

The parts are just roughly in place so not perfect but the size and scale and profiles seem spot on aside from some very minor adjustments. The colors are not correct since my parts are raw metal except for the FH which has a fast not so great temp paint job.

Let me know what you think...

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of course the FH is not on straight either...
 
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Let me know what you think...

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Looks like the "bullets" are a tad to long, on the real it looks as if there is more material left between them and the "trench".

And the silhouette of the rounded frontpart of the knurled area looks not as round/differend round than on the real one.

The angle of the cone - on the real i get a relation of 1,411 comparing front outer dia (24mm) to rear outer dia (17mm), and a relation of 1,294 comparing front outer dia (22mm) to rear outer dia (17mm) - that´s just a fast calculation directly with a ruler on my screen, but it also looks from the bare eye as if there is not enough angle..


Additional the bar of the scopmount looks a little bit short, on the real it sits a little bit over the edge of the mag, even with the slighly different angle. The rear end seems to be placed right, so maybe just a mm more is needed.
But that is hard to say, as it´s displayed on a Denix, which has not the same size and shape as a real one - so that´s just my gueass from the pics.


That are the points that jumped my eye, maybe you want to recheck them.
 
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Looks like the "bullets" are a tad to long, on the real it looks as if there is more material left between them and the "trench".

And the silhouette of the rounded frontpart of the knurled area looks not as round/differend round than on the real one.

The angle of the cone - on the real i get a relation of 1,411 comparing front outer dia (24mm) to rear outer dia (17mm), and a relation of 1,294 comparing front outer dia (22mm) to rear outer dia (17mm) - that´s just a fast calculation directly with a ruler on my screen, but it also looks from the bare eye as if there is not enough angle..


Additional the bar of the scopmount looks a little bit short, on the real it sits a little bit over the edge of the mag, even with the slighly different angle. The rear end seems to be placed right, so maybe just a mm more is needed.
But that is hard to say, as it´s displayed on a Denix, which has not the same size and shape as a real one - so that´s just my gueass from the pics.


That are the points that jumped my eye, maybe you want to recheck them.

Thanks for pointing this out Michael.
I was JUST about to post my suggestions as well.

Would be indeed a better idea to check these parts on a MGC and/or a real C96, which you guys have access to IIRC

Thanks for your efforts!

Markus
 
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I think that most of those differences are due to camera angle.
In the replica shot the camera looks to be aiming very, very slightly to the right while in the real shot it's almost straight-on.
This also makes it look like the replica FH has a chamfer on the back end.
 
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I love visiting this thread. Good tech talk.

For better comparisions, it would definitely help to shoot the gun and flash hider against a contrasting color for better edge definition. Grey against greyish tan makes it hard to judge finer stuff at the edges.

Nick
 
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Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

The FH bullet knurl position and cone taper are already on the list for fixes, and I believe the front rounded knurl area may look off a bit because of the photo and angle.

The crossbar is also only temporary for the test photo shoot, so don't worry it isn't final. ;)

Once everything is a bit more finalized, they will likely be checked against a real C96 as well. :thumbsup


-Carson
 
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Sweet :cool - as i already have a "close to good but not perfect" flashhider from the "cursed run" years ago, i would love to get a improved one now.
 
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Looks like the "bullets" are a tad to long, on the real it looks as if there is more material left between them and the "trench".

And the silhouette of the rounded frontpart of the knurled area looks not as round/differend round than on the real one.

The angle of the cone - on the real i get a relation of 1,411 comparing front outer dia (24mm) to rear outer dia (17mm), and a relation of 1,294 comparing front outer dia (22mm) to rear outer dia (17mm) - that´s just a fast calculation directly with a ruler on my screen, but it also looks from the bare eye as if there is not enough angle..


Additional the bar of the scopmount looks a little bit short, on the real it sits a little bit over the edge of the mag, even with the slighly different angle. The rear end seems to be placed right, so maybe just a mm more is needed.
But that is hard to say, as it´s displayed on a Denix, which has not the same size and shape as a real one - so that´s just my gueass from the pics.


That are the points that jumped my eye, maybe you want to recheck them.

Thanks for the input. Glad you can finally see the images.

The bullet knurls have been adjusted already for length. The shape is entirely a wear and tear issue. Depending on which individual knurl you look at on the HERO you will see a different shape. The Original MG81s I have seen, real ones, not replicas, have a more distinct bullet shape than the HERO which is very worn. Since we can't cut each knurl separate and different, we chose to make the knurls as they would have been on a new FH and allow the user to wear them as they wish. A little sand paper or scotchbrite and it will match perfectly.

The rounded end is really perfect, the photo is not. This was a fast photo set up just to "see it" finally.

The Cone on this first FH was off a bit (due to machining error, not Carson's model) and has been corrected. Good eye.

The cross bar is not the new one, it is my old one and only placed on the frame roughly so it is not in the perfect position or size. (also not screwed in place so it kept sliding around.)

The size differences are prob due to camera angle and scaling since I matched them quickly. It is tough to replicate the old images with modern cameras unless you take some time to match the lens set up. They most likely used a 55mm lens for these preproduction shots and we have to guess and simulate that with the auto cameras. I will take more time when I have the parts set to show better. The tendency is to use the macro setting to show more detail but that just messes up the angles and makes the parts look weird.



The parts we are making will be an idealized "clean" version of the HERO parts meaning they will be "as new". so each user can modify them as they would like. The parts will be as close to the HERO parts as possible.

Since everyone has a preferred look Ie: New or weathered, the best we can do is offer a base part that is clean and sharp and let you scratch and ding it up to your hearts content.

Even with the fast paint job you can see the FH looks great. The next one should be even better.

One thing to note too. On the preproduction HERO below, the FH has the original black "paint" blown off by live fire. on the production shots, the FH has been painted or refinished a dull silvery color. I doubt they would have sent it out for parkerizing or anything, but it also "could be" a different FH.

We should have more this weekend and will post asap.

Thanks to everyone for your comments and observations.
 
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Unfortunately i can´t - the notebook is fixed and running again, but i only see the first single pic i commented, and the last comparision i quoted. Still not the 2 pics you posted in between. :wacko


I´m not sure on the tear and wear thing - they were not made from alu, and usually these type flashhider was not used many years in harsh conditions. The flashhider from the MG42/MG3 i used when on duty was older than i was, and beside from the sanded look on the coating and some scratches it had not much tear.

Different shapes are more a question from wich company and country they were made. Remember, in WWII we didn´t had a big factory in Maine or something where production could run without beeing disturbed. Allied bombers were over Germany and tried to stop weapon and ammunition production - so the stuff was made on many different places, often also in conquered countries.

So you shouldn´t base to much on other flashhiders - maybe the hero was made in France, maybe in the Rhein/Ruhr-area from prisoners that were forced to work, maybe in Poland or Czech, and others you´ve seen from a company in south Germany - or vice versa - or each from a different place. All made to the same specifications, but beeing made on different machines and different people on the machines there are sligh differencies in the appearance.
Not the color/condition, but everything elso should be according the good flashhider pics we have. Just without the paint/weathering.


Waiting for new pics. :)
 
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Sorry you are still having trouble with the pics. Are any other posts a problem?

I understand what you are saying and appreciate your knowledge of that region and history.

I agree, as does Carson, that we are aiming to reproduce the HERO parts in particular and use the other vintage parts as comparison.

Deadbolt has tailored the parts for fit and detail to the HERO.

Sorry you can't see the other pics. I'll try posting again and see if that works or I can PM you.

The FH knurls are very good when "colored" as I painted it. The size and shape are a very good match to the HERO.

The weathering and wear and tear I was referring to was that the knurls are all slightly different shapes, some have dings etc. On the HERO pics, you can see some are fat, some are thin, some are rounder, some are pointy prob. due to wear. Just rounded or softened corners etc.

You can see it also on the cast MerrSonn. What we tried to do was get the best representation, undamaged knurl and use that as the base.

This is still the first FH without the adjustments so keep that in mind,I think it turned out very well so far.

Just wanted to show off Carson's great work!

Will post more soon.

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This thread is amazing! I'm glad to see all the discussion. I look forward to seeing the progression and can't wait to get my hands on some pieces.
 
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I can see the new one in your last post, up to now the 2 are the only one i can´t see in this thread. I have some of Odiwans pics from his photobucket in his thread with the same problem, but others of his were visible. :wacko Also direct linking in a new frame doesn´t works in that cases.

But with this new pic i don´t need them. :)

Regarding the MerrSonn - as the Fh is placed more forward on the barrel, maybe they turned it 180° when fastening it, using the opposite hole for the bolt? That way the Fh would look completly different in its details like the bullet-knurling.

The difference between the bullets of a Fh is not needed to be from wear - as they were producing under pressure, there is agood chance they didn´t take the same care as in peace time, as long as the function is OK.
Remember, when we are milling today we are used to fasten each axis (X/Y/Z) that is not needed to be moved - but when only as fast as possible function is needed and no precision, the best way is to have all axis unlocked. That saves time and makes you much faster, for the price ob a more wobbling toolbit. That may be the reason for some of the differencies in the shape of the bullets.
 
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Glad you can see them!

I agree with your assessment. The knurls could have been formed by cutter or pressure knurl and I am sure they were not concerned with how nice and even and perfect they were... but we are! :)

The MerrSonn is turned off angle but is most likely the same FH so the knurls are the same just in a different position.

I posted it just because the knurls can be see fairly well there.

I think we are very very close to the optimum shape and size.

I hope to post some new stuff by the end of the weekend.
 
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Atm. my biggest concern is the taper of the cone, then the bullet-"knurling" - on both you are working. The "regular" straight knurling will work either way, cut or rolled, it can easily be distressed to look old.

So i stay tuned for new stuff. :)
 
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Since this is about replicating the perfect ANH Hero blaster, has anyone actually disassembled a Hensoldt in an attempt for an accurate working replica to be made or at least as reference so someone could?
 
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A real Hensoldt of a similar variation was studied and measured for this project, but only the visible details and internal details that affected accurate assembly and movement etc. were incorporated into the planned replicas.

A full inside and out replica would be super cool but would require allot of precise fitting and working internal parts, and would raise the cost up quite a bit too for all the invisible details.

But these replicas may be modifiable to fit parts from modern real scopes for a working reticle/knob and working lenses. With a little work of course. ;)


-Carson
 
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OK!

Finally got the revised FH and Mount Cradle with Cross Bar and dovetail.

We went back over the details to get them right. I think the pics speak for themselves.

The FH looks phenomenal! Some are Macro shots so they are distorted but show detail.

The Mount was redone at a finer resolution but we allowed for some tooling which makes it look more like the real HERO.

I will post more when I can. Waiting on the Rings.

Also if you notice a "test" Grill This is a very intricate part to make accurately and this first part is not right... BUT the details are really nice. This part will replicate the actual shapes and off set fins which can not be done on a simple lathe so we did a test to see how to do the fins and internals best. This part was done fast to test the best way to make these so some details are not correct but overall it looks pretty good.

I tried to take details that would show off Carson's great work.

Let me know what you think!

Enjoy!

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