ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

[kpax]

Yea - thats whats got me. This makes absolutely no sense. I was suggesting they sanded/ground almost the whole mount, it might explain the soft edges. Let me point out what I see in photoshop, I'm not very good

I also think it was Todd's costumes that pointed out a rectangular mount instead of a dovetail in the faded B&W picture, thanks to chubsANDdoggers you can see it in the diagonal one
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Those are the post production HERO pics. The dovetail is visible in better images.

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Sorry similar yes but no not the same at all..

 

[kpax]

No again not similar. Honestly..

this is what I am saying. Block vs dovetail. Same block type shape. That's all.

Maybe the MR was inspiration to whoever made the PS one...

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

I gotchya!

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

My question is how certain are we this is the mount? I don’t think I have any pictures of the hero’s actual dovetail. Any good pics anyways. This pic (kpax) it looks like the hero might be more of a square shape than angled?

 

[thd9791]

Absolutely, I'm not trying to discount already proven facts out there - (like if there IS picture proof out there that the production blasters had a dovetail .....like a shot of the front end showing it - all I really am aware of are the logic leading from sitting target and the scrapes on the bar.)

Here are the details I see. I don't think it's out of the water that the original was repaired or ground down and re-blackened (for whatever reason, it's a cringeworthy thing to think about)

Very weird....

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Ya like where ur going 100% but this part screams no.. right??! They certainly didn’t “add” anything over time and in this case that’s what would have had to have happened?

 

[kpax]

My question is how certain are we this is the mount? I don’t think I have any pictures of the hero’s actual dovetail. Any good pics anyways. This pic (kpax) it looks like the hero might be more of a square shape than angled?View attachment 1532137View attachment 1532134View attachment 1532138View attachment 1532140View attachment 1532139

looking at the wrong area. The "square" looking area is from the thumb knob...

 

[MastahBlastah]

Could it be possible that the dovetail deformed over time from firing so they decided to just mill away the angles on the back of the mount and open it up to a rectangle? Make a new crossbar and smack that puppy on there? If we can convince ourselves that the other discrepancies in mounts are from mods/touching up, no reason that they couldn't have done away with the dovetail too, right? It's also possible that this mod could have been made after sitting target and BEFORE star wars. It's obvious from sitting target reference that this mount at one point had a dovetail (unless there were multiples then all bets are off) but is there any evidence from STAR WARS to show that it was still there?

I've stared at that top/front angle post-production photo a lot, and my brain does see more of a rectangular profile than angled, where the dovetail should be.

All of that being said, I do agree that the rounded top edge of the center square hole seems to have some "extra" material there, which is pretty hard to rectify.

 

[thd9791]

Ya like where ur going 100% but this part screens no.. right??! They certainly didn’t “add” anything over time and in this case that’s what would have had to have happened?View attachment 1532146

HMMM - Yea... It's still possible that old swoop is a reflection or an artifact, or if they had to braze the vertical back in place, there's more material right there

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Stating that he has access to these photos is the difference between “I have evidentiary information” and “in my opinion”.

There’s far too many people in this community that present opinions as “facts” without any substance to back up these claims.

I would think that in a thread such as this where it’s rife with theory and speculation that a little concrete fact would be welcomed and not dismissed as “teasing”.

It’s how informative is being presented is the issue at hand I think. It’s not about discrediting or crediting.. different people see different things is all. The more eyes the better. I personally learned never to take anyones word as fact within this community (or elsewhere) no matter who is giving it. It’s not personal.

As Edgar Allan Poe said..

"Believe none of what you hear and believe half of what you see"

 

[kpax]

HMMM - Yea... It's still possible that old swoop is a reflection or an artifact, or if they had to braze the vertical back in place, there's more material right there

it's not...

 

[MastahBlastah]

it's not...

Ahh, yeah that's tough to argue with! They would have had to mill away a LOT of material to get rid of that underside divot. Don't think there's any way we wouldn't notice if that much material was missing ... even IF they brazed it onto new uprights.

 

[kpax]

Ahh, yeah that's tough to argue with! They would have had to mill away a LOT of material to get rid of that underside divot. Don't think there's any way we wouldn't notice if that much material was missing.

...and why would they.? They obviously didn't try very hard to duplicate the HERO in any other way.

 

[thd9791]

it's not...

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Oh that's cool! So, yea, there's much more material on the vertical joint on the pawn stars one. This is why I posited the repair and machine work/blackening idea - it's such an ugly mount I don't know why they'd go about duplicating all those scratches and dents

 

[thd9791]

For what it's worth - there is a photo on that facebook group (of which I'm not 100% sure is legit safe) and in it Harrison Ford is on stage for a publicity thing with a blaster in his holster that has the cradle but no scope or top rings. So it seems they may not have always been together

I look forward to more discussion on this topic, or if more public reference comes out. A repair would be very interesting.

 

[MastahBlastah]

Oh that's cool! So, yea, there's much more material on the vertical joint on the pawn stars one. This is why I posited the repair and machine work/blackening idea - it's such an ugly mount I don't know why they'd go about duplicating all those scratches and dents

I can think of one million reasons why they would try to duplicate those scratches and dents

 

[kpax]

I can think of one million reasons why they would try to duplicate those scratches and dents

Ha!

yep... but then they should have started with the serial number on the Mauser....

 

[kpax]

For what it's worth - there is a photo on that facebook group (of which I'm not 100% sure is legit safe) and in it Harrison Ford is on stage for a publicity thing with a blaster in his holster that has the cradle but no scope or top rings. So it seems they may not have always been together

I look forward to more discussion on this topic, or if more public reference comes out. A repair would be very interesting.

interesting, Never saw that pic.

this pic id like to see...
if it's on facebook it's public...no?

 

[Vanitas]

Here's the best image I've got of the scope mount's dovetail:

A few of the lines might be a touch off, but it should get the idea across.