ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

[chubsANDdoggers]

It says "3×" . The multiplication symbol × is distinct from the letter x.

That was wrong on my DEC scope replica: it bothered me so much that I spent a few hours sanding it down.
Since them I'm on a crusade against that typographical approximation.

Great call! My phone doesn’t even have that “x” or times sign.. I did use the letter x but raised it up so its in the middle of the 3. My old scope has the wrong 3 details as well which was something that always bothered me personally but that’s what happens when you outsource unfortunately. Going to see if I can find that times sign. If not I’ll have to draw it up. It’s all about the details

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Fixed it. For anyone who’s curious and can’t find it on a PC keyboard like on myself.. “ALT 0215” will bring up the

 

[Vanitas]

Looking nice!

Yeah, that "x" detail is one of the few things that bugs me on my old steel DEC scope (I think it's one of the ones from Dave's first run), though the gent I bought it from had the engraving custom finished so it's not missing any of the lines at least. I'm considering upgrading to either a Todd's or Field Marshal scope!

 

[Vanitas]

Once again, just a little bit of footage of what have commonly been shared as stills here!

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Thats some really cool footage! Very crisp as well. Thanks again for sharing V!

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

This is probably to much I realize but it’s fun to experiment a little..

 

[Vanitas]

Some more work on the bull barrels chamfers...

Might go just a touch deeper on them, but I think they're more or less accurate to the hero prop's now!

 

[Vanitas]

I know that this is not 100% relevant to the subject of the screen-used Hero prop, but since images of the 'Pawn Stars' blaster have publicly emerged elsewhere on the internet, I figured I might as well share them here for preservation and comparison!

Definitely not the Hero prop! But it's interesting to see some details of the 'Pawn' blaster better; namely the scope and scope mount top rings. I can see why Scott seems to think the top rings may have also been from the Hero!

 

[cwoodreplicas]

I know that this is not 100% relevant to the subject of the screen-used Hero prop, but since images of the 'Pawn Stars' blaster have publicly emerged elsewhere on the internet, I figured I might as well share them here for preservation and comparison!

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Definitely not the Hero prop! But it's interesting to see some details of the 'Pawn' blaster better; namely the scope and scope mount top rings. I can see why Scott seems to think the top rings may have also been from the Hero!

Interesting stuff! I think you can just about make out the 2602 on the original scope! So does look to be a match

 

[Darth Lars]

Definitely not the Hero prop! But it's interesting to see some details of the 'Pawn' blaster better; namely the scope and scope mount top rings. I can see why Scott seems to think the top rings may have also been from the Hero!

Is there anything about the scope that says that it would not be the original scope?

Because if the scratches on that scope had been reproduced from images, then that would be a ridiculously good job ...

 

[deadbolt]

Now that all of us peers were allowed to see it properly instead of going on word-of-mouth, I'd have to agree about the scope and the top rings being real!

The front ring has the proper offset hole outwards towards the lug, causing that 'chip' that we've seen on the Hero's ring. It also confirms the suspicion that it was drilled for standard oval-headed screw, hence the 82° countersink popping through the side there..

Thanks Vanitas!


-Carson

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Thanks Vanitas for sharing. That awesome. The mount looks more legit in these photos as well..

 

[chubsANDdoggers]

Now that all of us peers were allowed to see it properly instead of going on word-of-mouth, I'd have to agree about the scope and the top rings being real!

The front ring has the proper offset hole outwards towards the lug, causing that 'chip' that we've seen on the Hero's ring. It also confirms the suspicion that it was drilled for standard oval-headed screw, hence the 82° countersink popping through the side there..

Thanks Vanitas!


-Carson

And the flip side of that front ring matches perfectly with hero’s. You can see the 3 distinct chips lining up..

 

[scottjua]

Yeah… So I am bound by agreement to not share those photos I have of it, which aren’t the same as these… but on initial viewing a year or more before the pawn stars show, I was certain the top rings and scope were the real deal. Nothing else is unfortunately.

 

[Vanitas]

Of course, the last thing I would ever want would be to accidentally murk up any agreements to not share anything! The only reason I posted these here was because somebody else had already publicly posted them elsewhere several days prior, so I assumed they were more or less public information and would have inevitably spread to here eventually.

I'm just hopeful that this doesn't cause problems for Scott or anybody else, as they've done absolutely nothing wrong and haven't broken any agreements! My sincere hope is that this will benefit everybody.

 

[deadbolt]

Yeah… So I am bound by agreement to not share those photos I have of it, which aren’t the same as these… but on initial viewing a year or more before the pawn stars show, I was certain the top rings and scope were the real deal. Nothing else is unfortunately.

Having private photos is fine and dandy, Scott. It's perfectly fine for anyone to do, it's a code of sorts here as far as our morals go. But telling the community that you have them and don't/won't share is not fair to the community either. It's daunting and teasing in a way towards the many, many other people that deserve and badly want to see them with their own eyes to study.

Look at how many things have surfaced just from all of the people that have contributed to this one, single thread alone. It would not have happened without multiple minds looking at the same old pictures we've had for close to two decades at least, well beyond this thread. If it wasn't for sharing and collaboration, none of us would have realized what we have learned about this prop.
It took many years for anyone to even realize that the top-piece of the grill was the same section as the lower two, but in time, Pat kpax noticed it, realized it and made it public.

A good amount of us have worked on this prop over the years, even before us. It's never going to be understood unless people share their resources, thoughts, ideas, realizations etc..

All we have to work from as far as this prop goes, are photos.


-Carson

 

[kpax]

I tend to agree that the scope and top rings are the hero parts. The rest no.

The aggressive/deep knob knurling would show in the hero pics we have if it was the same.

The cradle and crossbar does not match.

Nice images of the scope tho. Thanks!

I put the left side engraving on my scope in the same hand engraved font.

Note the scope knob knurls can really be seen here.
3 on top... 1/2-4-1/2 on bottom ! ; )

Unfortunately, if the scope is on this Mauser, I fear the hero Mauser and grill is gone. Maybe it finally cracked again and they thought it unsafe and destroyed it. Sad...

 

[kpax]

One other thought if the top rings are original. They fit the cradle mount screw locations.

Can anyone tell if the mount looks like any repros out there. ? Not a DEC.
is it a Todd’s or Fm? I don’t have these to compare.

Either they “adjusted the rings or mount to fit” the screw locations on a reproduction…

OR they had another “vintage” cradle mount laying around. OR made a new one.

We have never found a “production” mount that matches the hero mount. I asked several military weapons historians back in the day and they had never seen one like the hero either

Someone ask the old guy at Bapty!

 

[Vanitas]

Some of the older scope mount replicas I've seen are raher similar to the 'Pawn' blaster's style (lacking the dovetail). The one that first comes to mind is Master Replicas' Limited Edition ANH DL-44; the one that they based off a Denix.

Obviously it is not the same, but it's just the first thing that comes to mind. Either way I strongly suspect the mount to be relatively old; most likely an early replica that was made prior to the dovetail being known about, or just a different scope mount of Bapty's that they threw unto this creation of theirs due to the original mount being MIA.

 

[thd9791]

Are we absolutey sure the old post production shot is the same hero bracket? Or that there was only one? The knob and lack of dovetail is obvious but this has always seemed to me to have some of the same drag marks on the cradle and a striking patina