feek61
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In TMOST it sats the P2 was designed to fit into a rifle version similar to the way the P1 fits into the P2
Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath)
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In TMOST it sats the P2 was designed to fit into a rifle version similar to the way the P1 fits into the P2
Exactly. How easy would it be? What aging techniques could result in successfully fooling experts?
robn1
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Tripper did a replica Jein P1 about 11 years ago, unfortunately the picture links are dead.
www.therpf.com
Trek TOS GJ hero p1 replica
I've been working on a John Long p1 kit for another member here and while I wait for glue to dry I decided to put the finishing touches on a p1 project of my own. One I've been working on since summer of 2008 when I first started shaping the shells. This was originally a pair of fiberglass...
www.therpf.com
USS Endeav
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It's been done. Here is a link for a quick view. Aged Replica
genZOD
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Touché
I thought about making this joke, but decided to take the high road.
Thank you for taking the low road for the amusement of us all!
Tripper did a replica Jein P1 about 11 years ago, unfortunately the picture links are dead.
Trek TOS GJ hero p1 replica
I've been working on a John Long p1 kit for another member here and while I wait for glue to dry I decided to put the finishing touches on a p1 project of my own. One I've been working on since summer of 2008 when I first started shaping the shells. This was originally a pair of fiberglass...
I'm making my HA Hero aged replica now. But, I'm just a novice at practical props, at BEST. Still, thanks for the people giving me advise on the aging stuff.
USS Endeav
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I thought it was the road less traveled but you are welcome.
In the absense of more information, we’ll need jokes and idle speculation to see us through to the end of the auction and its fallout.
USS Endeav
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I think many of us have a pseudo emotional investment in seeing this through. It is a conundrum we have tried to solve through as thorough a digital forensic examination as we can using archived images and the limited paper trail to have survived the passing decades. With more unanswered questions than proven fact regarding its provenance, it remains a mystery.
I'm with you on this. A good screen match to a broadcast scene, an outtake, or even a (confirmed) Lincoln Enterprises still cut from a 35mm positive would firmly convince me this was real.
Short of that, no way it can be confirmed as screen used. I can imagine a situation where it could be confirmed as "production made but never filmed" if some confirmed behind the scenes production images somehow turned up. (Like the TMOST photos, but with this, and confirmed that the photos are real).
Next tier down that *might* convince me, or at least make me more willing to give the benefit of the doubt, would be evidence that this thing existed between 1969 and now. I mean, an interview where Chang mentioned he still had a "broken phaser to fix" or someone who knew him says they saw it once in his possession after the show ended (not the guy who is selling it), or a photo someone took with Chang posing with it, or a photo Chang took of a guest of his posing with it, or anything like that.
Give me a confirmed screen shot, production photo, or other solid evidence and then we can figure out how to make the discrepancies and wear and tear "fit" the history. Without that evidence it's just a story. As gun collectors say, "Buy the gun, not the story." All their offering here is the story.
(For the wear and tear, I can see a minty production made but not used piece getting beat up if it someone gave it to their kids to play with for years, for instance. But I'd have to be convinced it was production made first before accepting that explanation for how beat up it is. Not the other way around)
WinstonWolf359
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My problem with the "it's beat up because kids played with it" possibility is we've seen a few real props that clearly were treated roughly in the years following the series; the Zolar X midgrade, which is seriously cracked and has lost all of its planted-on pieces on top and the Cage laser pistol that was reduced to just a broken chunk of resin handle.
Most of these props were fairly delicate, especially a hero pistol. If it had been actually mistreated I think it would be broken and missing pieces, not just excessively (but superficially) dinged up.
Most of these props were fairly delicate, especially a hero pistol. If it had been actually mistreated I think it would be broken and missing pieces, not just excessively (but superficially) dinged up.
True.
I think the most likely reason the auction Phaser has the same "wear and tear" and "repainted look" as the Jein is because it's based off the Jein. I was just spittballing some other possibilities if somehow it is authentic.
WinstonWolf359
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John Long did one quite a few years ago, after he had a chance to examine the GJ phaser.
If I remember correctly, Ron Shanko did a run of Hero Phasers over at the Trek Prop Zone, TPZ, where he tried to replicate as much of the Gein Hero as possible. I believe like John Long he had access to the original before he made his. They looked very good but were not as distressed as the Gein but if someone had one and wanted to try and make a screen used/production made one this would be a good place to start.
QuasiOdo
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THANK YOU! I bring this up and get raked through the coals about it elsewhere. That's the best evidence that it's blatantly possible to create a convincing fake. He had many fooled back then with his, "mystery phaser."
WinstonWolf359
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It's pieces like this that make it so important to keep an eye on the state of the art of replicas when dealing with newly discovered potentially original props. This "mystery phaser" was convincing for many people because it had enough small details that seemed right that it distracted from the bigger picture; that it looked like JL's replicas and his pieces, like everyone else's, have certain style tells.
That's why it isn't enough for a potential original prop to just look reasonably close to other original props, it also has to not look like another replica. All of these pieces came from somewhere, whether it was Desilu back in 1966 or someone's garage in 2016 and if you can trace the details back to a replica and not an original prop it can give you clues to follow, especially when the provenance is shaky.
QuasiOdo
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There are a lot of people in the game who are either not as up to speed on the original prop details or being willfully ignorant (for whatever reasons.) When it all comes out in the wash- and it will- I hope all those out there stridently defending it as genuine will admit how wrong they were. (But I doubt it.) If I've been wrong in questioning it, so be it; then we'll have a new piece to marvel at.
JESmith
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If it is a fake -- and like most of you here, I'm highly skeptical, but also open to an "anything is possible" scenario with an as-yet-undisclosed smoking gun -- how much would it cost to fabricate something like this to this level of detail? Or is it less a matter of cost than of the skill to pull it off? I'm just curious how much outlay there would be for a potential faker. Certainly a $100K opening bid would probably cover those costs, but at how much profit?
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