350th TOS "Ressurection"

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  1. Underdog

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    Here we go.........=/\=.....Whoosh!

    Oct the 5th 2006 I went out to my garage determined to build my own 1/350th TOS Enterprise. I had never scratch built a model in my life, this was my first. I had been contemplating this for some time, but finally had the time and the money and the garage. I built the garage from an old pole barn that was on the property and turned it into a two story, two bay garage complete with an attic and an office. At any rate, I wanted to do it with the simplest, cheapest, easiest materials and supplies available, so I started looking around the garage at what I had and contemplating what I needed.

    What you will see in this thread is exactly how I created one of the most iconic ships in history with nothing more than paper, tape, glue, fiberglass and bondo.

    That may not sound like a big deal around here, considering all of the talent, but this was before everyone was doing it. At least as far as I knew. Also, this was my first and I was using.... simple stuff. Below are a few pictures from the begining. As soon as I show where I started, I'll show where I'm at.

    I don't want to spam the forum, so I will be waiting a short time between posts while I work on the 50" Refit, the 1:1 Cylon, the Forced Perspective Fleet and so on.
     
  2. kahn1701

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    Underdog

    Found it...
    I look forware to seeing your work..
    Looks great so far..
    Thaks again from an old TOS man,for what you do.
     
  3. Underdog

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    You're more than welcome, but really, I don't anything any more cool than what the rest of you guys do. I'm just glad to actually have a place to show my work after five years. Really.
     
  4. Underdog

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    ..... After I had the main engineering hull cast in fiberglass using nothing more than screen door mesh and paper, I started working on the upper and lower primary hull.... I built up the frames as shown earlier and lay the mesh over it and coated it with the resin, then began to lay down pre-cut strips of paper to help smooth everything out and keep the contour. I then covered all of the parts with layers of bondo and began hand sculpting all of the parts. They really look awefull here, but this is really how it happened. I did a lot of hand sanding and shaping. I then marked the centerlines on the engineering hull and set it in sand and pour plaster over it after using Pam cooking oil as a mold release., then I flipped it over and cleaned it off and cast the other side. At this point I hadn't used anything but household goods and some bondo and fiberglass I bought at Wal-Mart. All of this was well before I started working with Vaderman, Crashman and Hotshot of AW Studios.
    Thus far everything was based off of Alan Sinclair's blueprints and a cardstock model that Ron Caudillo had made.
     
  5. Underdog

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    While working on the TOS parts, one day I decided to make up a base, or two. I was trying out different ideas and came up withe several. I use paper mache' to create a planet, in particular Mars. Since you see what appears to be Mars in the original flyby, I thought that might be an appropriate choice.
    After I had sanded and smoothed and shaped all of the parts I sent them off to AW Studios who had offered to work with me and do the vacuum forming. Later they would help out a lot on other things. While they were vacuum forming the main parts I was working out some of the other details and coming up with ancilliary item to go with the model. I came up with a very nice brass engraved dedication plaque and some other items and came up with a couple of more bases (Not yet shown). Additionally, I started working out some of the electronics to go with the ship. I know some of these parts still look rough, but whole the masters were off I decided to use what I had on hand to do some experimentation. When I got the first set of masters back, I immediately started looking at what needed to be changed and what we could do to improve the ship as it was.
     
  6. Underdog

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    At this time I had gotten the first set of Vac pulls from AW Studios, so I decided that I had to start work on the ship and see exactly where we need to make changes to the masters to compensate for the thickness of the poly-styrene. We used .080 simply because by this time someone had gotten a kitbash kit out and had used .020-.040 and it just wasn't strong enough without an elaborate inner support structure to hold it's shape, not to mention the fact that from what I heard the quality of the parts were not all that much to write home about. But I digress. Whole I was working on the build someone from one of the forums told me that I had to have an inner support structure.......???? To me this went against everything I knew about engineering. If the parts are made properly, you do not need an inner support structure. I don't want to get into the engineering of it, but it's just not neccesary. How many styrene kits have you built that had inner support structures? If the material is of the proper thickness and the design is of the appropriate nature, the model will support itself and the the stress areas can be designed in such a way as to make the whole stronger. Look at an egg, does it have an inner support structure? No! and if you hold one in your palm you cannot crush it, because the force is equally distributed throughout the egg. At any rate, I decided to prove me point through the use of visual aids and started stacking phone books on top of the unsupported parts of the ship.
    As you can see, I came up with a couple more bases, some laser etched parts for dressing, or to be used as small bases for small ships and laser cut, or etch parts.
     
  7. Underdog

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    After I had worked on the original prototype vac pulls, it became obvious that there were a couple of things that needed to be corrected. I had made the lower primary hull out of material that when a heavy vacuum was pulled on it by Crashman, the master collapsed and there were waves in the first couple of pulls. Vaderman and Crashman of AW Studios filled one of the better pulls with resin to form a new master and sent it to me to shape it some more and add the three rings and the triangular shapes to the hull and add some more detail to the other parts. At that point I got out my trusty sanding block and went to town. Later I pulled out my drafting materials and started plotting out the new details. After all of that was done I started back on the original build. I'm still working with the original pulls, but have made some changes and corrections. I have to thank the crew over at AW Studios for putting up with all the flakk they caught while working with me to get this right. Unfortunately, people that had nothing to do with this project interjected themselves into the issue for the express reason to shut me down and ensure that this ship never saw the light of day. Additionally, they attacked everyone that supported me in any way and to directly quote them.... "I'm going to make it my mission in life to shut him down!"

    For anyone to be so filled with hatered and angst toward another that they would use their position and the "Star Trek Webring" to attempt to manipulate others and spread lies and rumors and innuendo to attempt to smash someone else dream, or crush their project and start flash bombs and trash someone all over the net and involve others in their self appointed mission is just unfathomable to me.

    Moving forward.... This ship kit never did see the light of day and I will not sell any of the kits that I have left. I will however give some away and I will on occasion make custom kits for certain people, but I'm currently in a verbal agreement with AW Studios to work with them on their ship and frankly the 50" Refit is a more important project at this time. I am going to follow through with this build to the end and show what was possible and show how the modeling community was robbed of any chance at this kit because of one person. This may seem boorish, but I think the truth needs to be told.

    This person ran around telling everyone that I had no talent and that I could not do anything and not to trust me and they were foolish for working with me. He used his small positin in life to lie about me, my skill, my business and to harrasse anyone that backed me.

    Thus I've also provided links to some of my other work, movies, art, etc....
    I never stopped working on any of the projects I was engaged in and have in fact taught myself a lot about a lot of different things in the intervening years.

    Never let anyone stop you from doing what's in your heart and mind to do!

    If anyone is offended that I have taken the narrative after five years+ I feel I have every right to set the record straight. This is not meant to inflame, or offend, but I really feel that the truth has to come out. The truth about what I can do, about what really happened and about the project and everything that followed.

    After this I'll be showing right where I left off and will show the new parts and the completed build. I'm tempted when it's done to put it in front of a green screen and do some flybys.

    Besides the photos above, here are some links to me blog, my other work, my youtube channel and other points of interest.

    Keep on Trekkin! =/\=

    This will be updated shortly and edited....

    KTM's Depot47 Ship Builder

    These are card models that I've worked on in the last year to give something back to the card modeling community.

    MTK's Card Craft

    This shows more of the work on this ship....

    1-350th TOS Part 1.wmv - YouTube

    Just one of the dioramas I've made.

    Diorama.wmv - YouTube

    The one to one Cylon WIP....

    1 to 1 Hand Crafted Cylon WIP Movie 1.wmv - YouTube

    The Refit I've been reconstructing....

    One Half Studio Scale Refit Reconstruction.wmv - YouTube

    My most recent Art Movie....

    Quirk's Art 3 - YouTube

    A Tribute video I made...

    Trek Odyssey 2010 - YouTube

    A surrealistic TOS video I made. This is a WIP for a future demonstration.

    TOS WIP-2.wmv - YouTube

    Electronics video one....

    Electronics Developement.wmv - YouTube

    Star Trek Insights.

    Star Trek Insights.wmv - YouTube

    I would hope that the modeling community would work together to keep this type of thing from ever happening to another member again. You may not like what someone has to say and you may not like what they have to say, but to allow someone to stalk other modelers and harrasse them and their associates and smash their dreams and their work and their perspective business....
     
  8. kahn1701

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    Underdog

    First of thank you fore the great intro to you life work.
    Your story has such a great life lesson to tell.It sad-ins me to know all the trouble you
    have goon through to get to here.I believe everyone has a journey in
    this life.Sometime you have to deal with very bad people.Those people will do
    everything in there power to keep you down.I have tagged these so called people
    as spawns of satin.
    I tell my children.You will meet people in your live(spawns of satin).They might
    start of as a friend,teacher,lover,relative or just someone you see on the street.
    Them like you said they make it there goal to ruin your life.These people truly
    are THE SPAWN OF SATIN.They thrive on kayos.There job is to bring you and
    everyone you know down.Its this kind of inhumanity toward our fellow man that
    sad ins my Sol and heart.They will be there own undoing in time.I believe that
    GOD has a since of humor.What goes around comes around ten fold.
    I just tell people when you have to deal with people like this Reilly all the good people
    you know around you to fight the evil.
    I know I don't know you that well but I feel we have a kindred spirits.This time right now
    was meant to be.I for one would be homered to stand bye your side in this our fight against the SPAWNS OF SATIN.
    Again thank you for allowing me to be a part of your hard work.I only hope I can give it
    the great justice it deserves.

    Your friend
    Paul/kahn1701
     
  9. Underdog

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    Well, I really and sincerely appreciate the sentiments, I really do.
    I don't know that the guy is the spawn of Satan, but he's definately
    got issues. Can't understand how the guy can be a moderator...???

    I've attached a few photos of the current shape of the TOS. This ship
    has been dropped and moved around for years now and I have stripped
    it down twice, once to make some corrections and add electronics
    and once to rework the nacelle for production. Considering what this
    ship has need through..... So much for needing an inner support structure.

    While I was out in the garage today I dug out some more of the old detail
    parts and a couple of the masters. I'm going to be making some corrections
    and adding some detail and creating a whole new impulse engine just for
    you. I have to get back with my laser guy tomorrow, I thought the new
    inner nacelle detail was in the shipment of laser parts that I got last week, but when I inventoried everything I found that that and another part was
    missing. With the Holiday I was unable to get through to my laser guy.
    So, I have to get on that and get it going. I'm sending the same part to AW Studios and using a larger version for the 47" TOS. I paid a friend of mine
    to work it out in Lightwave while I was working on everything else. Unfortunately, as a result of the afforementioned jerk, he wants to remain
    anonymous.

    "You are alike you and I, in a differnt time I could have called you friend" (Romulan Commander, or Melllvar depending on your point of view) Just kidding.

    "The greatest obstacle men of real intellect will face is that of small minds." (Einstein)

    "We (I) will fight!... (Winston Chruchhill)

    "From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee..." Captain Ahab, or Kahn, take your pick! LOL!

    "Ramming Speed, We'll give them all we've got then we'll get out and throw rocks." (paraphrased from Admiral Adama.)

    "When you've done all that you can do... Stand" The Holy Bible.

    "Fret not when your enemies lie about you and despitefully use you, for did they not do more to our Lord and Saviour?" The Holy Bible.






     
  10. kahn1701

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    Again thank you for all your hard work.
    I'm got room on my work station,now that
    most of the parts are on my BIG E.
    I believe I have everything I need.
    After the BIG E I have Plenty of paint,putty
    and a new UFX light system ready to go..
     
  11. Underdog

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    There's no need to keep thanking me. I can't wait to get it all together and send you a kit to review and tell exactly what you think of it. This could have been available to the community a long time ago. I have to find some moreof the parts and pick out the best and assemble a kit.... I've moved so much
    around in the garage the last couple of years, through various phases of construction that I've msplaced some of the detail parts. I dug out JT Graphics decals and still need to get ahold of JT, for pricing for you. I will be packaging everything for the 350th Refit parts on Tuesday and getting everything ready to ship, so look for an e-mail from me.


     
  12. kahn1701

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    Ready sir.....
     
  13. Underdog

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    E-mail sent, gathered more TOS parts, the Refit is ready to ship and I'll have photos of the TOS parts in the next couple of days.

     
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    Got email.
    On it and ready sir.
    I can't wait to see pics...
    Thanks
     
  15. Underdog

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    OK, here are some photos of the orignal masters and some of the new parts, as well as the pattern that I'm still waiting to get back from the laser cutter.
    I pulled out six of the nacelle domes that I got back from AW Studios a few years ago, I'll pick out the best two to send you. I've pulled out the upper and lower primary hull vacuum buck as well as the engineering vacuum bucks and I'll be reworking all of them a bit before casting them to make the clear cast. I'm still looking for some of the details and I know there are a couple I'm going to need to totally recraft, as they just are not here, or the ones I have are warped from the heat this summer. BTW, thos last couple of shots is my friend comparing the vacuum bucks and parts against the MR as soon as it came out. Not bad for working from the Sinclair blueprints and the measurements of the studio model I guess......:lol=/\=
     
  16. kahn1701

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    You have brought her to life at 350 size. I'm just amazed at the work.
    I'm a very technical minded person.To me its the little perfections that make it.
    It shows the real love in what your doing.You like Steve make it
    passable for some one like me to be a part of something meaningfully.
    This has been a dream of mine since I was a kid.To show what I can build with
    the help of a few great artist.
    Looking forward too the work your going to do here and the work
    I'll be doing on your creation.

    OK OK I'll stop blabing..
    On with the show....

    Paul/kahn1701
     
  17. vaderman1701

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    Let me know if there are any detail parts that I can assist you with. Between us, I am sure we can get a full kit out of it.
     
  18. Underdog

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    This is exactly why I started this five years ago. 1) To make one myself and 2) to provide a basic kit to people that would appreciate it and enjoy building it. I didn't do any of this to urinate in someones cheerios, but that seems to be the way it was taken. At any rate, I'm really happy to be putting a kit together for you. Just think, other than Scott and I, you'll be the only that has one. Woohoo!

     
  19. Underdog

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    Thanks Scott, I know I've got a little box of the best parts I set aside some time ago, but after all of the fallderall and work on the garage..... I'm still looking for it. If I get bogged down, I'll send you a list and we'll get Paul everything he needs! Whoot!
     
  20. kahn1701

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    GREAT..
     
  21. Shizman

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    Oh the refit is ready to ship? I want in on one of those!
     
  22. Underdog

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    Sorry, for the misunderstanding Shizman. I was talking about the 350th Refit kit that I put together for Kahn. I still have some molding and casting to do on the 50" Refit. I'm taking my time and trying to get it right. This is my first time casting anything this big and this detailed and complicated.

     
  23. Underdog

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    Kahn, just and fyi... I have a lot of work to do and the 50" Refit it is still the priority. I'm working on that everyday, but am waiting until I have something epic to show.

     
  24. kahn1701

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    That's cool with me.
    Refit or TOS 350 either way
    I win. LOL
    Thanks
     
  25. Underdog

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    Is this the real RPF? I don't have a lot to show since the site has been hacked, but I really have a lot to show, just waiting.
     
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    This is the real RPF.
     
  27. Underdog

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    Sorry about that, just making sure. Thanks Vaderman1701.
     
  28. GeneralFROSTY

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    Incredible work, I would have no clue where to start!
     
  29. kahn1701

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    Underdog

    Now that all the major work and lighting effect are in the BIG E.
    I have been staying awake at night thinking of the new thing I can
    do with your ship.


    Blue lasers,red torpedo's,white lasers and on and on...

    I got in a really great TSDS UFX LIGHTING SYSTEM going in her.
    OH the warp engines..OOOHH I got some new and cool lighting,tiny
    mirrors and new motors going into that..TeeHee

    OK that's enough. I have to leave some surprises for your build..
    Like the BIG E is going to be one for the ages... LOL

    Thanks
    Paul/kahn1701
     
  30. Underdog

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    Wow! That sounds awesome, I can't wait to get all of the parts together and get it shipped out to you. Even with the recent hack of this site by jerks with nothing better to do than destroy others work and opportunity to show their work, I've been very busy working on the 350th for you, the 47" TOS, the 50" Refit, the I:I Cylon and a couple of other things. I'm working up a new shuttlebay for both and a new impulse engine, amongst other things. I did find my box of detail parts, but there are a couple of things that I still want to enhance.

     
  31. kahn1701

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    Sounds great to me..
     
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    I finally got all of the best parts together and recieved the new inner nacelle detail, for both my kit and AW Studios versions of the 350th TOS Enterprise.
    I've been reworking all of the old parts first, as well as working up the shuttlebay and starting on some of the new parts (not shown).

    Below are a couple of pics of the recent progress. As you can see, there are several different domes for coming up with a cool layered effect for the nacelle domes. You have your choice between clear and translucent outer domes with either clear, or translucent inner domes to paint the fan blades onto. I'll be casting a couple of sets of water-clear domes as well.

    BTW, for those that are interested here's a link to my cardcraft blog.....

    http://mtkcardcraft.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html

    ...and here's a link to one of the card-modeling forums where I'm working on several more TOS era projects....

    http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/alternate-dimensions/15335-tos-trek-files.html
     
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  33. kahn1701

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    Great stuff ..Please keep on Trecking....
     
  34. Underdog

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    I'm on it and have more to show and more tomorrow. I've been working on this card model for some time and I've sized it to match this ship, so that when you get the clear-cast version of this with all of the go fasters, you can use these templates to help plot things out. I'll be giving this card model to the community for free, so that all of those that want to can do the same thing I did and take the pure joy of creating their own ships instead of sitting around talking about it for five years. LOL! Additionally, I'll be send you copies of this cool dreanaught in the same scale.
     
  35. Underdog

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    So, how did you like that whole card model thingy? I think it's awesome, especially since that is what got me into the whole scratch building models thing.
     
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    . It just keeps getting better.
    Its fun how you start one thing and it leads you
    In a hole new direction in life.
    Thank god for small favors..


    Thank again.
    Paul/kahn1701
     
  37. Underdog

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    I know right? I'll be updating this thread shortly, sorry for the delay Paul, but I've been in the zone the last few days and have just now started updating threads, got a lot to show. I've been reworking and repairing and inventorying all of the parts and looking into getting you some new ones. I've even picked up some more supplies and should start making molds. The original masters were set up for vacuum forming, so I've had to make some changes to make them ready for molding and casting. I can't wait for you to get ahold of the new parts and start work on the kit. I've seen your videos and the work you've done thus far on Steve's kit is awesome.
     
  38. kahn1701

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    No problemo bro..

    I know exactly what you mean about (in the zone).



    It is a great honer for me that you are entrusting me with your work..
    I'm humbled......

    It a great wonder for me to watch all the hard work,skill and dedication
    you put into your work.

    I can't wait to start work on your kit.
    I look forward to bringing your dream to life.

    The BIG E is almost dune now..(Video today)



    Thanks for your support.
     
  39. Underdog

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    You know Paul, your attention to detail and inventiveness in your work shows through, your work speaks for itself. I can't wait to see the new movie and I can't wait for you to get my ship.

    I've got a few pics for you and a little narrative.... I was working on the masters and knocked one half of the engineering hull off of the workbench and it cracked through the neck, so I had to reset it and I'm in the process of the cleanup of it now. I've been filling in the notches on the lower primary hull, because they were deep for vacuum forming, but don't need to be so for a straight cast. I've included a shot of the BOP, because I was working on them at the same time. You know, I'm really going to have to go back and make a D-7 to go with these two. I'll be showing some shots of the new hanger bay and some of the work I'm doing on my build next. Take care and Keep on Trekkin! =/\=


    BTW, I found the port and starboard details for the main engineering hull, but they are from the first run, before any corrections, so I'm going to recreating them.

    I've tried to post this three times now and have been knocked off of the forum and one of the photos is missing.....???? OK, now the forth time....???
     
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  40. kahn1701

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    WoW
    Now that the BIG E is getting close.
    I'm starting to have trouble sleeping at
    night. Thinking of all the cool thing I'm going
    to do with your ship...OOOHHH Love it..

    Whats that you say BOP?????
    Oh Now I really can't sleep...
    Please send pick..Or any info..PLEASE
    I might have to build two of your creations..LOL

    It a good thing my wife is very understanding..LOL

    As always thanks for your support.
    Paul/kahn1701
     
  41. Underdog

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    LOL! Paul you kill me, you get so excited. The BOP was from AW Studios, I'm just making some changes for my own personal gratification. You can get one through them, they are going to be sending me some parts for the TOS to save me time and show off their work. Send me an e-mail and we'll work something out. Take care Buddy and calm down. Believe me I can't wait to get it to you either.
     
  42. kahn1701

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    Otay
    I took a chil pile..
    I'm better now....LOL

    I hit you up on FB/ email.


    Thanks
     
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  43. Underdog

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    It's all in the works Paul. Check your e-mail.
     
  44. kahn1701

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    underdog

    BOP on the way.

    Thanks for the hookup.
     
  45. Underdog

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    Outstanding, glad to hear it. You'll probably get yours done before I do.
    Didn't get to work on the TOS, or anything else today, Honey Do's and
    a trip to the hospital.... Tomorrow though, will be another story. I'm sitting
    here looking at the 50" Refit, the BOP, the TOS and the Equinox, plotting
    my attack and thinking of what to do next on the Akira.

    Hope you like the kit and have fun building it.

    Keep on Trekkin! =/\=
     
  46. kahn1701

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    I hear you. I have my business to run and then 5 Star Trek projects on hold right now.
    I started listing them according to my passion at the time.
    I'm forcing myself to take a couple weeks of. For the little lady and real work.LOL

    But again thanks for the contact on the BOP.

    Thanks for your support
    Paul/kahn1701
     
  47. Underdog

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    Glad to be of help Paul. I did get some work done on the masters today as well as my original model. I have to laugh, this thing has been through hell and still holds up. I sanded it down a bit today and redrilled the port side windows, pulled out my JT Graphics decals and dug out my custom made name and number set that I had been contracted to make and ended up being yet another product that never got to market... At any rate, I made progress on it today. I hope to get further along. I did get most of the old rings filled on the lower primary hull... Other than sorting through parts and casting the inner nacelle detail, that's about it. I included a shot of the profile of the enterprise graphic that I made to go with the decals and the blueprints. The profile is based on Alan Sinclairs prints and Charles Casimiros'.
     
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    More please..LOL
     
  49. SteveNeill

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    Nice Joe you inspire me. Finally someone I can't keep up with. ;)

    Great projects you have going on. It will be awhile until I can get to a new model. Miss it.

    steve
     
  50. Underdog

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    Wow. I'm speachless Steve and that's saying something. Getting a compliment from a guy like you, with all of your time in the actual building and creating of studio props and with your degree of skill and experience... I'm..... I don't know what to say, other than thanks, it means a lot.
     
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