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    Mar 13, 2018, 1:11 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #351

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    but the button changes...
    The black button? Yeah I think that might actually have changed. That's the button Luke presses so that would make sense that they would accidentally remove the groove. His fingers dont even touch the plate though so I'm not sure why they would change that. I don't think the plate was CGIed.

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    Mar 13, 2018, 1:37 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #352

    Like I said, I suspect the notch may have been hit by an over-zealous retouch pass... and at the risk of repeating myself, I'm pretty sure the box, specifically the rails, is more streamlined than the ROTJ hero/TFA box.
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    Mar 13, 2018, 3:41 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #353

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    The black button? Yeah I think that might actually have changed. That's the button Luke presses so that would make sense that they would accidentally remove the groove. His fingers dont even touch the plate though so I'm not sure why they would change that. I don't think the plate was CGIed.

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    The thumb does overlap a small portion of the top - see here: https://www.therpf.com/attachment.ph...9&d=1520676093
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    Mar 14, 2018, 8:06 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #354

    I agree with Halliwax. Seems to me like the saber is practical (maybe even the one of white gloves), but in this shot, half of the saber from the handgrip down has CGI that gives it a weird shine and streamlined black activation button. Maybe the original hand that was holding it had to be CGI'd out, and they had to make some stuff up to fill in the blanks? The top of the saber looks much less shiny and real to me, while the bottom looks too shiny, like a weird photoshop superimposed effect.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:31 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #355

    The fact that we know the hand is cg confirms this is an fx shot that was composited. I'm guessing it's the same process that we have seen bts pics of where Mark Hamilton has green tracking tape on his real hand. That gives them the tracking data for the cg Hand movement. They'd composite that using a static plated of the scene with Mark lowering his hands to get the background of his body. From there his hand and parts of the saber would be roto'd out and then replaced by the cg model. So the idea that we could be seeing a a practical saber, a cgi saber, or a composite of the two in one seemingly single shot is totally possible.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:54 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #356

    ...in fact, given the vanishing notch in the buttons, I think this is exactly what it is happening. It explains everything.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 11:18 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #357

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    …we have seen bts pics of where Mark Hamilton has green tracking tape on his real hand.
    Mark Hamilton! Playing Jake Skywalker!
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    Mar 14, 2018, 11:22 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #358

    Maybe we can see if the graflex he holds in the beginning has any CGI parts. That could help us know how much replacement occurs with the robotic hand. And we have reference of Rey holding the graflex and BTS videos to compare the real prop and the CGI prop (assuming it is CGI).

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    Mar 14, 2018, 1:37 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #359

    So another question for you all. Are we still thinking that card has gold traces? The only reason I ask, is because the fact that the Roman Props V4 had a very shiny card that uses copper traces, and looks awfully similar.

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    Mar 14, 2018, 2:32 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #360

    Super Serg said: View Post
    Mark Hamilton! Playing Jake Skywalker!
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    Mark Hamilton! Playing Jake Skywalker!
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    Mar 14, 2018, 5:49 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #361

    I just noticed something else about the "white glove" saber. The two black "buttons" on the side of the control box seems to have generous bevels on the edges. I can't be sure but this seems to missing on both on all the images of the TLJ saber.

    I might add, that I can't help but shake the feeling that the "white glove" saber isn't metal. It looks as if some of the gold/bronze/copper paint from the bars made it on the black "buttons".
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    Mar 14, 2018, 6:06 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #362

    That would still fit the composite/retouch theory. In fact, if the real hand that was removed covered the buttons, the rendered/cloned version would be slightly different.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 6:20 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #363

    SethS said: View Post
    That would still fit the composite/retouch theory. In fact, if the real hand that was removed covered the buttons, the rendered/cloned version would be slightly different.
    What do you think of the idea that "white glove" saber might not be metal at all? I swear I can see where some of the bronze/copper paint from sidebars got on the black "buttons".
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    Mar 14, 2018, 7:28 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #364

    D4r7hur said: View Post
    I agree with Halliwax. Seems to me like the saber is practical (maybe even the one of white gloves), but in this shot, half of the saber from the handgrip down has CGI that gives it a weird shine and streamlined black activation button. Maybe the original hand that was holding it had to be CGI'd out, and they had to make some stuff up to fill in the blanks? The top of the saber looks much less shiny and real to me, while the bottom looks too shiny, like a weird photoshop superimposed effect.
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    Nice photo trick there!! Think your on to something!!
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    Mar 14, 2018, 7:29 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #365

    I gotta go check out this white glove saber again... she’s getting a lot of talk right now...


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    Mar 14, 2018, 9:18 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #366

    Some new photos in the TLJ Graflex thread are revealing and provide more clues about the Jedi Luke saber. Hamill's hand was bare save for some green tape around the fingers for tracking. Those green bands (and fingers) tended to have a visible reflection even in the satin finish of the Graflex, and so that saber was partly replaced or blended with a CG version to provide proper reflections of the metal hand. Take a look at this image from Cinefex (thx D48thRonin). Funny enough, some green is still visible in the finished shot along the edge of the curved part of the Graflex emitter:

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    Taking the above into account, it's highly likely that the back end of Luke's Jedi saber was similarly modified in post.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:24 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #367

    We’ve nailed it
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:34 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #368

    And I’m doubly annoyed they didn’t do this to fix all the very obvious shots of the stunt sabers.
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:39 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #369

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    And I’m doubly annoyed they didn’t do this to fix all the very obvious shots of the stunt sabers.
    That part where Rey takes down one of the guards with a reverse grip. The stunt saber is so painfully obvious, that I saw it the first time I watched the movie!
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    Mar 14, 2018, 10:50 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #370

    So here's the paint I think I'm seeing. Which makes me wonder if this particular saber is made from metal? Someone else mentioned that details look "soft" on this one.

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    Mar 14, 2018, 11:10 PM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #371

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    So here's the paint I think I'm seeing. Which makes me wonder if this particular saber is made from metal? Someone else mentioned that details look "soft" on this one.

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    damn good looking eyes!! sure does look like a paint job
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    Mar 15, 2018, 12:28 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #372

    Joek3rr said: View Post
    So here's the paint I think I'm seeing. Which makes me wonder if this particular saber is made from metal? Someone else mentioned that details look "soft" on this one.

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    I don’t know. It looks likes some type of lip. Looks like a similar lip is at the end of the card too.
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    Mar 15, 2018, 12:30 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #373

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    damn good looking eyes!! sure does look like a paint job
    More like me obsessing over this saber ever since the movie came out

    I'm inclined to think that "white glove" might be a resin stunt. And that we have at minimum two metal heroes for a total of 3. One built hero for TFA and didn't get used, and the other hero built for TLJ. Unfortunately this hypothesis hinges on how much of the saber they CG'd.

    Or we have two sabers altogether. A resin stunt, and a hero, that was made for TFA and had some details changed for TLJ with some 21st century movie magic.
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    Mar 15, 2018, 2:57 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #374

    With this new CGI speculation, how many gold/copper traces are we going for on the card? 13 trace or 12 trace starting with black stripe?
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    Mar 15, 2018, 8:50 AM - Re: The Last Jedi new prop picture SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER #375

    Kylo1 said: View Post
    With this new CGI speculation, how many gold/copper traces are we going for on the card? 13 trace or 12 trace starting with black stripe?
    That’s a good question, lol because now what is screen accurate? The creepy uncle (if it is cgi) card, on the white glove saber card?

    There is so many inconsistencies with this saber, I’m going for my own route lol

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