Y-Wing Building

[Treadwell]

According to a discussion a few pages back in the X thread in which Beaz posted comparison pics, the Monogram dates back to the 60s like the Airfix and seems to have been used interchangably by ILM on the X (and Y, I postulate). (In fact, two of the X engine pieces in Frank's parts kit were from the Monogram.) A lot of Y ref pics show the back end of the engines proper have different detailing (a smooth strip without the ribbing detailing and several wedge-shaped protrusions) than the corresponding portion of the Airfix I have, which is why I'm curious to see what the Monogram might look like. In the end I might still end up using the Airfix but I won't shy away from getting another kit in the interest of part research!

That same discussion states the Revell and Monogram used the same tooling, so we seem to be talking about the same thing.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

Yes I know they date back to the 60's. I also see that they
were not re-released in the early 70's. Unlike the airfix. Why are ILM's kit racks PACKED with airfix Saturn's V's and not monogram's?

The wedge shape details on the rear of the Y engine you mention are added donor parts. The smooth strips are simply styrene added on top of the ribbing (clearly evident with my reference), and donor parts in certain cases. Also some of the brick material used on the x is in some places.

I have seen no concrete evidence of monogram Saturn's being used by ILM, only speculation up to this point. Just because Frank may have used a few monogram pieces doesn't mean it's correct. Bill George used some monogram parts but he wasn't around during ANH. He probably used the monogram because the airfix had not been reissued at the time he built it.

Revell re-issued the monogram kit. I was refering to Revells
own space kits from the erra.

 

[Treadwell]

The reason the wedge parts got me thinking is that there is ONE very similar part on a separate Airfix part, #22; I therefore wonder what the one would find on a Monogram, since I was planning on picking one up anyway just for kicks.

Here's the smooth border we speak of:

(I don't remember where I got this pic so if the owner would like it removed please let me know.)

On this engine, at least, it's clearly a lack of detail rather than a strip added on top. Since it's much too neat to be a sanding job, it's gotta be inherent to the part. Now, if one were to trim an Airfix in just the right way, one could achieve that look but it would throw off the placement of the ribbed detail on the other end next to the egg....unless an extra cut was made to the SatV stage somewhere in the middle, but you'd probably agree that would be unlikely.

Another possibility is that it WAS trimmed differently and there ISN'T ribbed detail next to the egg on this Y. In the rest of this series of pix (they're all named "yelloXX" where XX is a number), it's hard to tell if the ribbed detail is present in its entirety at the front end due to a grey stripe being painted at that location.

Have I proved a Monogram was used on the Y? Absolutely not. I don't have one. Do you? Beaz does, so if he asserts that the kit was in the ILM shop, I'm hesitant to dismiss it.

Nevertheless, thank you for trying to save me from an unneccessary purchase.

I would discourage anyone from rushing out to buy one based on this discussion.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

The smooth outside edge you see is where the engine gets trimmed, it is indeed apart of the airfix part. Unless I am misunderstanding you.

As I said the wedges are a donor part.

The ribs which meet the Legg's do touch the leggs.

 

[Boba Flint]

Tred there is an easy tell-tale sign that the Airfix was used.

There is a raise portion on the ribbed section near all the seams. It forms an elogated triangle shape. See the comparison between the real thing and my engine.
That raised bit is not on the Revell/Monogram kit.

 

[Treadwell]

Well that settles that!

Jamie, sorry, apparently you didn't understand which smooth parts I was referring to at first. We seem to be on the same page now.

Thanks guys!

 

[Treadwell]

Blew up the overhead Chronicles pic to "actual size" and quasi-traced the shape of the main structure onto an acrylic sheet, adjusting for estimated greeblie thickness and perspective distortion in the photo:

Yup, a lot of marked-out boo-boos! "Measure twice..."

Next: trimming, then adding 1/2" PVC joiners for mounting points.

 

[HeatRay]

Treadwell, can I get an AMEN?!!!
Glad I'm not the only one using sharpies on plastic first. So at 1/24 scale, what length did you come up with after enlarging the photo? 28 inches still thought to be right? Does that include to the tip of the nose cannons?

Jim

 

[DeanB]

Hi everyone,

I've been doing a lot of catching up with this thread and finally think I have something new to contribute to the parts identification (at least I haven't come across this identification). I'm quite certain that part number 18 of the Bandai 1/24 scale Shiden Interceptor is the part located directly behind the droid socket. It's a control panel that sits behind the pilot with the dials cut off. I found additional parts that I'm sure belong on the X-wing as well. I'd post a pic, but as I stated in the X-wing thread, I still need to learn how to do this. Bear with me (or help me out!), and I'll prove my point.

 

[Treadwell]

Looking forward to this pic as well!

I'm not familiar with the Shiden. Is that a Japanese plane?

HeatRay, I measured my blowup pic and it came to only 26.5" including the guns. There is a lot of foreshortening in the photo, and distortion, too, (the front of the ship curves to the left!), but kit parts match up perfectly along the middle of the printout, at least. Since my tracing is only the inner core, I can build it up as necessary as I go along.

I did a little minor kitbashing for the 8rad neck detailing. I'll post more about that in a couple of days.

 

[DeanB]

Yes, it's a Japanese plane.

Sorry, but due to DSL modem glitches, and the fact I'm away on business for the rest of the week, I'm unable to post the pic from the Shiden kit. I did however send photos of all the kit's parts to the following site:

http://www.studioscale.com/

Hopefully they will post the pics sometime this week.

Enjoy!

 

[Treadwell]

I'll keep an eye out!

My weekend kitbashing:

As I feared, simply cutting the 8rad part in half does NOT yeild long enough parts for both neck sides. Since I didn't bother to cast it when it was whole, and I ain't buying two more, I'll scratch-build extensions on them.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

Rule of thumb Tread, do not listen to a lot of what was discussed in this thread...

IT ISN'T CORRECT!

 

[Treadwell]

In this case it was more of a big fat DUH! when I blazed ahead with the saw without triple-checking reference. Live and learn...

 

[DARKSIDE72]

always triple check your reference (rule of thumb # 2)! I've made my fair share of mistakes also.Nothing that I couldn't correct, but a pain in the ass nevertheless. Still things like the 8-rad chassis being cut in half are incorrect, along with many early kits mentioned, dimensions etc. It's cool to see someone else building instead of SPECULATING!

 

[Treadwell]

It's good to BE building!

Here's the tree containing the Shiden part Dean spoke of:
http://www.studioscale.com/images/Kit%20Ph...Shinden%202.JPG

 

[Flintlock]

can anyone confirm that the Tamiya 1/12 Tyrrell 6 Wheeler has the same, round, separate transmission part that the JPS has?

 

[Vinyl Guy]

Ron

I can tell you that both 1/12 JPS Kits, the MKIII & 72D, and the Yardley McLaren have that part. Can't tell you if the Tyrrell 6 Wheeler has it though, Sorry.

Dan

"Vinyl Guy"

 

[Flintlock]

Thanks Dan

Anyone else have any insight to this kit?

 

[DARKSIDE72]

Yes, I can confirm it also contains that part.