Why does everyone think Yoda was winded lifting the X-Wing?!

[Michael Bergeron]

B ut this brings up the differences in Jedi between the OT and PT. It's not till the PT that we see Jedi as supermen. ylou don't see Saber battles with constant use of the force, you see some moves with force power added, but not the one handed, spinning wheel of death moves that Yoda breaks out in the PT. Although Yoda WAS able to move the X-Wing, it wasn't easy for him. Luke did ALMOST move the X-Wing, and the effort did wind him, in the OT, the more you used the force, there was an effort.

I took Yoda's "size doesn't matter" lesson to mean that you can do it, but it does take an effort on the person. You're ability to use the force doesn't mean there is no physocal toll on the person. you don't need to be a roid king to lift bigger things, you needed to use more force.

You and I watched the same film. THANK YOU. :lol

I prefer OT Jedi. Is it reasonable to think that in the PT they should be a bit more powerful? Yep. They're not superheros though. Building them up as such made order 66 that much more laughable.

 

[Kerr Avon]

If the mass of an object doesn't matter, why didn't Ben just tell Luke to crash the Death Star into the planet it was moving around using the Force?

 

[JoeG]

If the mass of an object doesn't matter, why didn't Ben just tell Luke to crash the Death Star into the planet it was moving around using the Force?

You mean the ANH Death Star battle, which obviously takes place before ESB, where Luke thinks moving something significantly smaller than a Death Star, is impossible?:rolleyes

 

[Kerr Avon]

You mean the ANH Death Star battle, which obviously takes place before ESB, where Luke thinks moving something significantly smaller than a Death Star, is impossible?:rolleyes

Then when he's a Jedi Knight in ROTJ, whatever. The Rebels killed all life on Endor anyway since all that mass of debris is going to fall into the nearest gravitational body. :rolleyes

****ing newb.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Then when he's a Jedi Knight in ROTJ, whatever. The Rebels killed all life on Endor anyway since all that mass of debris is going to fall into the nearest gravitational body. :rolleyes

****ing newb.

At least the debris waited until after their party. :lol

 

[sgtsparky22]

yub yub

I figure (and I blame the extended universe) that the cane was just a means to get people to underestimate Yoda.

 

[Warpaint]

I believe there is a definite correlation between your abilities within the Force and your connectivity to it.

It is possible that Yoda, at the time we see him in ESB, has lost some of his perpetual connection to the Force, but can still tap into the larger "flow" of it that perrmeates all things.

As he has gotten older, maybe his connection has faded. This, coupled with the destruction of the Jedi, the massive wanning of the Light Side of the Force, and living on a planet seething with the Dark Side, makes accessing the Force difficult and taxing to say the least.

Just a thought.

 

[Clutch]

If you turn the sound way up, I think you can hear him fart a little as he is lifting it.

 

[Kerr Avon]

If you turn the sound way up, I think you can hear him fart a little as he is lifting it.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Dung0beetle]

If Frank Oz had his hand up your nether region, you might grunt, sigh, or groan as well.

 

[Vermithrax 4]

On the subject of whether a seasoned Jedi could use the Force to take down a Star Destroyer or the Death Star....probably. That's what Yoda is suggesting. But remember that Yoda also laid down a very firm rule for when you can use the Force and when you can't: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER for attack!" Using it for aggression leads to the Dark Side, therefore it can't be used by a Jedi to take life indescriminantly.

But of course, Lucas never really did set the parameters of the Force very clearly. Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan used it to bring down battle droids, thus attack. And in ANH I always had the impression that only a Jedi could weild a lightsaber because it took assistance from the Force to do so to prevent hacking off your own limbs. And in using lightsabers for attack, the Jedi is only using the Force to assist in the weilding of the saber. The Jedi himself is the one attacking.

 

[crabra comander]

Dont' you guys read Dark Horse Comics? Luke and the Emperor where smashing Star Destroyer's into each other like matchbox cars...

I'm gonna go shave my yub yub...

 

[ob1al]

B ut this brings up the differences in Jedi between the OT and PT. It's not till the PT that we see Jedi as supermen. ylou don't see Saber battles with constant use of the force, you see some moves with force power added, but not the one handed, spinning wheel of death moves that Yoda breaks out in the PT. Although Yoda WAS able to move the X-Wing, it wasn't easy for him. Luke did ALMOST move the X-Wing, and the effort did wind him, in the OT, the more you used the force, there was an effort.

I took Yoda's "size doesn't matter" lesson to mean that you can do it, but it does take an effort on the person. You're ability to use the force doesn't mean there is no physocal toll on the person. you don't need to be a roid king to lift bigger things, you needed to use more force.

I agree. That's why the force was so much more attractive and believable in the OT.

Before the dark times. Before the midichlorians.

I don't like the scientific explanations of the force in the new films. It takes away the mysticism, magic and faith of the original concept.

In my opinion, Yoda was tired from the exertion of lifting the x-wing. The fact that he jumped around like an acrobat in the newer films is neither here nor there, as that was just a pastiche of the character and the SW universe.

Not trying to bash the pt in a provocative way, just trying to explain the different interpretations of the Yoda character and the force in general. I think each trilogy has to be viewed as an independent series of films as they have very different cinematic hearts, almost like a mirror universe.