I consider those okay films. I don't consider them "GOOD" films is the way old Hollywood films were considered "GOOD".
Just my opinion, which is all yours is too.
When hollywood made good films.
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I consider those okay films. I don't consider them "GOOD" films is the way old Hollywood films were considered "GOOD".
Just my opinion, which is all yours is too.
Westies14
Master Member
Don't forget Fight Club and the Professional from the 90s! There's just more being produced these days; the same percentage as ever is original or quality. The bad ones are forgotten and the "classics" are remembered for a reason. Every generation will have its films to contribute to the "classics" library.
Now wait a minute, I realize one's opinions of films is subjective, but there's a limit to that. For you to say that all of those films are merely "okay" and none of them rise to level of "good", let alone great...is absurd. :rolleyes Your opinion is absurd.
The Wook
Honestly, Hollywood has lost its faith in allowing the filmmakers actually tell the story they want to. I wish that there was a second Counter Culture-type revolution in Hollywood, where the studios trust the filmmakers in how to make the movie and just give them the money to make it. This picture pretty much explains it now.
Faster. More intense.
YES!!!!!!!!!!! Hollywood has been biting it's own ass for decades. The problem with Hollywood is the people in charge..., the suits who come to the job because they turned a profit on the stock market and are now in charge of running a studio. They are more interested in making 'THE DEAL"... putting a package together with Brad Pitt or whoever attached. Making the movie seems to be an annoying after thought to them. Films should be made by filmmakers not lawyers!
CTF
Sr Member
It was actually like that during the "New Hollywood" period, too; which is why a lot of filmmakers, who normally would've been told to get lost, got a chance to make the films we all know and love.
And the studio system? Well, it was so retarded, it's a wonder than anything good -- let alone, great -- was ever made.
And the studio system? Well, it was so retarded, it's a wonder than anything good -- let alone, great -- was ever made.
CB2001
Master Member
What you just said reminded me of a scene in the film adaptation of Bret Easton Ellis' novel, "The Informers." Billy Bob Thorton's charcter, who plays a film producer, is on the phone talking with another producer. Basically, from the end of his conversation, we hear that the director of a current project dislikes an alien's design because "it looks like a tomato" and wants the design to be changed. Thorton's character says, "We don't allow 24 year-olds tell us how to make a movie." If you look at it in a different light (different than the "We're the seniors, we're not going to let the young bloods to the option of control), it's pretty much a producer now allowing a director to not have control of the film.
CB2001
Master Member
And you've just reminded me of an ad for Sprite from not too long ago: YouTube - Sprite - Death Slug
The "New Hollywood" period (which I refer to as the "Counter Culture Movement") is exactly what we need to have again.
CB2001
Master Member
LOL. True. But I think it was one of those "pop culture in jokes" that Bret Easton Ellis writes into his stores (i.e. featuring a young Tom Cruise in the same apartment building that Patrick lives in, in "American Psycho." Naming "Less Than Zero" and "Imperial Bedrooms" after two songs by Elvis Castello." And "Terby", an electronic toy parrot, actually being a parody/reference to Ferby."
But the point of the scene shows exactly what the Hollywood system has become since the 1980s: The executives do not give the filmmakers the chance to tell the story they want to tell. Think of it like this, George Clooney said, "You can make a bad movie from a good script, but you can't make a good movie from a bad script." And as a result, we end up with "Bonfire of the Vanities" and "Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever", which was greenlit by executives. Hell, an even better example: all the credits under Alan Smithee, a pseudonym used by writers, directors and producers when their projects are heavily edited against their wishes (even Michael Mann used it when it came to the TV edit of "Heat", which the cuts made were against his wishes). The executives need to stay in their offices and let those who know how to tell a story tell a story. If they want the film to be a certain way, then they should get off their asses and be directors instead of executives. If they just want to be executives, then they need to stay the hell out of the process of telling it correctly. Or, you get "Alien 3" and "Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever" all over again.
Back in the days of Jack Warner and Louis B mayer at MGM they called the shots but they also knew what worked and what didn't. Now the studios don't have studio heads but boards of directors who are clueless and too busy having affairs with their secretaries to care. Studios should be run by people who have worked in the industry: writers, directors, heck even the camera guys.
nickytea
Master Member
Agreed.
I also think the problem isn't lack of good movies, its the difficulty of finding them in an oversaturated media landscape. I'm willing to suffer the slews of garbage to find the gems.
My three favorite movies are each forty years apart. Every era's got something.
CTF
Sr Member
Well... spill!
Hey, I'm in the first one.
I didn't say you had to like my opinion, just like I don't have to like yours, which by the way, I could really care less about.
Just because you don't like my OPINION is no reason to call it absurd, you don't see me calling you or your opinion names.
You need to chill out a bit.
nickytea
Master Member
I change my answer depending on the mood I'm in, mostly to make a point. :lol Usually a derivative of these:
Metropolis ('27), Mary Poppins ('64), Speed Racer ('08)
or
City Lights ('31), North by Northwest ('59), Up ('09)
or
Monseuir Verdoux ('47), Ghostbusters ('84), The Dark Knight ('08)
I tend to use the first set there, for the sheer peculiarity of the pairing. (Perfect for me.) I figure my list of favorites runs so annoyingly long, I might as well choose three that are as separate in genre as they are in time. Just to confuse people who are asking "what's your favorite" to try and peg me down.
Westies14
Master Member
Based on your list alone, for the first time I have interest in seeing Speed Racer. Very surprised to see it with the other eight! I'll have to check it out. Was that one Wachowski directed, or just supervised/produced?
themanwoaname
Sr Member
i agree, my last order from half.com had bullitt, thx1138, and north by north west.
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