what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader quit

[The Terminator]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

I always thought it was because of Vader's mechanical parts were starting to malfunction...

Were I Admiral Ackbar, I'd have turned the transports into flying bombs - nothing but engines, explosives, and really good shields. Fly them by remote or droid right into the Death Star and Star Destroyers.

This or the fact that the more the imperials have to shoot at(number of targets) the less time they have on each target. Meaning a better chance for the gun ships to do their thing

 

[Laspector]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Don't you usually take medics into battle with you? Pretty much every war movie I've ever seen has someone, in the heat of battle, yelling "MEDIC!!!" Now, I realize that in a space battle everyone is pretty much vaporized, but wouldn't it make sense to have some kind of medical unit there? Just in case?

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Don't you usually take medics into battle with you? Pretty much every war movie I've ever seen has someone, in the heat of battle, yelling "MEDIC!!!" Now, I realize that in a space battle everyone is pretty much vaporized, but wouldn't it make sense to have some kind of medical unit there? Just in case?

That makes sense for pretty much every battle but space battles.


Sure, they should have medics aboard, but it makes no sense to have a medical frigate. I would keep that at the rendezvous spot.

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[dascoyne]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

They are basically the Toyota pickups of spacecraft.
You can use them to haul lumber or you can mount weapons in the back.
Since the rebels are basically a ragtag terrorist group this would seem to make sense.

 

[Riceball]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

That makes sense for pretty much every battle but space battles.


Sure, they should have medics aboard, but it makes no sense to have a medical frigate. I would keep that at the rendezvous spot.

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That's pretty much how the US Navy operates, you don't see hospital ships assigned to a carrier battle group, they're found sitting well away in the rear away from any fighting.

As to why it was present in the Battle of Endor, here's one reason: maybe they had it staged with the fleet in case they had casualties on Endor, they could be evacuated to the medical frigate for treatment. You figure that the capital ships and their escorts are going to be busy fighting and taking care of their own casualties to be able to handle anyone coming from Endor, so they station the medical frigate nearby just for the commando raid.

 

[Laspector]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Good thought!

 

[JBLAKE]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Thank you all who have replied. It is enjoyable to read the insightful and sometimes fun thoughts ( ie the idea to use empty troop transports as a ramming weapons to destroy the death star or star destroyers ) expressed in each persons opinion/point of view.
Please continue........

 

[Treadwell]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

In fact, that ramming thing was used in a Rogue Squadron game for Gamecube.

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

That's pretty much how the US Navy operates, you don't see hospital ships assigned to a carrier battle group, they're found sitting well away in the rear away from any fighting.

As to why it was present in the Battle of Endor, here's one reason: maybe they had it staged with the fleet in case they had casualties on Endor, they could be evacuated to the medical frigate for treatment. You figure that the capital ships and their escorts are going to be busy fighting and taking care of their own casualties to be able to handle anyone coming from Endor, so they station the medical frigate nearby just for the commando raid.

But they only sent like, 30 troops to endor (at most). There was probably one medic (who may have stayed at the shuttle). And since there was only one shuttle, it's doubtful that they would have the opportunity to head back until the mission was done

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

But they only sent like, 30 troops to endor (at most). There was probably one medic (who may have stayed at the shuttle). And since there was only one shuttle, it's doubtful that they would have the opportunity to head back until the mission was done

Now you're trending to a problem with ROTJ in general. I've scoured the space battle front-to-back, shot-by-shot, and frame-by frame in my attempt to identify continuity between shots, who's flying what ship, who's where when, etc. Basically, I was seeing if I could come up with a pre-Endor Red Squadron that I could build for the X-Wing miniatures game. Know what I found? From counting the maximum number of a given type of fighter in any shot, and tracking clusters from one shot to the next to determine which should be treated as continuations of the same group of fighters, and which should be treated as new ships... I come up with no evidence for more than 26 Rebel fighters at the battle (9 X-wings, 8 Y-wings, 5 A-wings, and 4 B-wings), even looking far into the background of the shots. And Red Squadron contains at least two A-Wings and one Y-Wing (that last being both Gray Leader and Red Two).

A handful of fighters, a handful of commando troops, a handful of frigates, a handful of corvettes, a handful of transports, and two Mon Cal cruisers. That the "Rebel fleet" that's "massing near Sullust"? The Alliance that's "fully assembled"?

--Jonah

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

^interesting

 

[Riceball]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

But they only sent like, 30 troops to endor (at most). There was probably one medic (who may have stayed at the shuttle). And since there was only one shuttle, it's doubtful that they would have the opportunity to head back until the mission was done

I wasn't thinking so much in the middle of the whole raid but more like once things calmed down a bit and/or when it was all over, obviously they wouldn't be able to conduct medevacs in the middle of the fighting, the shuttle would probably be blown out of the sky. I'd imagine that the Imperials would be a tad suspicious of a shuttle with questionable codes constantly taking off and landing on Endor, esp. when there's word of an attack down there.

The other thing the medical frigate could be there for are for extra casualties from the fleet itself, sure each ship probably had its own medbay but I'd imagine that the severely injured, people needing further care beyond what their ships can provide, and recovery from surgery would be moved to the hospital frigate which would have much more room and better overall facilities available. It would be sort of like the way we do things now, a person is severely injured in combat, a medic of corpsman stabilizes the wounded for medevac to the rear, the rear facilities stabilize the wounded further to where they're out of immediate danger of dying from their wounds, they're then shipped out to Germany or back to the US for further treatment and recovery like fitting for prosthetic and the like.

 

[Krull]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Well as a kid I always thought Vader just slowed down because he didn't really want to kill his own kid,plus he was having second thoughts about this whole sith thing and knowing the outcome was Luke strikes him down and takes his place? yea maybe we need to talk about this plan great master!

After the prequels? it's easy to see that Vader had no idea he had a kid,let alone two of them,and considering all he went through and all the crap he did at the end of the third film and now he realized that Palpatine lied to him and he flipped his wig again,remember he wasn't exactly the epitome of reason when he turned and he was trying his best to save the woman he loved....now Palpy is messing with his kids? after he pretty much made it so his woman died? and it was probably his fault? and he now gets he was nothing but a pawn?

Yea I wouldn't be standing too close to the guy that's for sure!

 

[Edraven99]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Well a couple of factors are involved here maybe...

In order for the Imperials to believe that the Rebels were indeed massing near Sullest, they would have to build up a sizable fleet there in order to maintain that charade.

Also, the Rebels weren't expecting sizable resistance in their attack on the DS2. Firstly the location was supposed to be secret; second, it's primary defense was supposedly its shield with most likely a picket defense fleet of ships since the bulk of the Imperial Fleet was supposedly scattered across the universe trying to hunt down the Rebels; and lastly, the DS2 wasn't supposed to operational.

It is conceivable that the bulk of the Rebel fleet was indeed at Sullest and what was sent in to attack the DS2 was a strike force not expecting much resistance...

Though this does also beg the question more of why were there transport ships and medical frigates in the DS2 attack when you would assume that those were the exact types of "filler" ships that you would want to amass at Sullest...

 

[astroboy]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Could it be that when the Emperor was talking about them amassing near sullust he was referring to the fleet that was about to attack the death star?

It's been a while since I paid attention to that so I could be mistaken

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

That's the assumption. Especially considering the Sullustan pilots participating in the battle.

--Jonah

 

[Treadwell]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Exactly. I never thought of Sullust as a diversion, but, rather, the Empire had gotten accurate intelligence on what the Rebs were actually up to.

 

[Krull]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Since this thread is here I suppose I can ask this,if anything it'll just show that I need to go rewatch ROTJ :lol

Just what was Palpy doing with Vader on the new deathstar??? you would think they'd have a rule about never being in one place together for the sake of maybe something happening like...oh maybe they both get killed?

You know what? I'm gonna dig up my DVD's and go watch.

 

[Edraven99]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Exactly. I never thought of Sullust as a diversion, but, rather, the Empire had gotten accurate intelligence on what the Rebs were actually up to.

I'm not sure... assuming that Sullust as a staging ground was relatively close to Endor, it would be strategically moronic of the Rebel Alliance leaders to amass a large noticeable fleet that close to their target for a sneak attack...

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Here's the actual quote:

Darth Vader: What is thy bidding, my master?
Emperor Palpatine: Send the fleet to the far side of Endor. There it will stay until called for.
Darth Vader: What of the reports of the rebel fleet massing near Sullust?
Emperor Palpatine: It is of no concern. Soon the rebellion will be crushed and young Skywalker will be one of us. Your work here is finished, my friend. Go to the command ship and await my orders.
Darth Vader: Yes, my master.

 

[Laspector]

Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

Speaking of the medical frigate, I just noticed something weird! Here is a Youtube link to the ROTJ space battle only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o

This is a 1080 version. Now, toggle to exactly 2:12-2:14. Look directly at the Falcon and then right below it. Off in the distance it looks like possibly two medical frigates, it is hard to make them out, you can really only see small shapes. They almost look like Klingon battle cruisers! They do have the shape of the medical frigate but if you watch the 2 second clip--THEY ARE MOVING BACKWARDS!! I've toggled these 2 seconds over and over and its either Klingons or the medical frigates moving in the wrong direction!

See what you think.

Works best on full screen.