what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader quit

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  1. JBLAKE

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    Just finished watching Jedi Again. Have a few questions for those who may know the actual answers.

    In the Space battle over Endor what was the purpose of so many Rebel Transports? Seems they would be useless in a Space Battle. Why were they not landed on Endor deploying troops to help the rest of the Rebels and Ewoks?

    Also have to ask why does it seem Vader quits/gives up to his son in the ROTJ Climactic Lightsaber Battle. I know Luke was somewhat besting him but by no means did it look like Vader had to go down to his knees?

    Just curious what answers there may be if any.


    Discuss........
     
  2. Treadwell

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    The transports make absolutely no sense. I think it's just they had the model, and they needed variety on the screen.

    Vader didn't give up. He was whooped.
     
  3. Lord Boron

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Made about as much sense as bringing the medical frigate into the thick of battle. But they had to fill the screen with something. Best not to look for logic in these sort of things. I'll just assume it was an all or nothing battle, so the Rebels threw anything that could fly at the Death Star.
     
  4. gizmo

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Rebel transports just filled the screen and looked cool. Silly but that's movies.

    As for Vader is see it this way. Vader has passed his prime,the Emperor knew this and wanted Luke to replace him. Luke had grown very strong in the force and the Emperor also knew that. Luke was a different kind of Jedi though. He used his hate to overpower Vader and then to the Emperors supprise rejected the dark side. Vader wasn't ready for what Luke unleashed on him and was whooped. Also Vader may have started to already sway towards Luke's notions of there still being good in him. Lots of conflicting emotions and beliefs between those 3 in those last moments.

    Another theory could argue that it was all the plan of Vader and the Emperor to make Luke draw from his hate and Vader seeing him finally unleash his hate lets Luke win in the hope that Luke indeed does join the Emperor by his side replacing him. Vader may have wanted that but neither expected Luke to then reject the dark side.

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  5. SmilingOtter

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Were I Admiral Ackbar, I'd have turned the transports into flying bombs - nothing but engines, explosives, and really good shields. Fly them by remote or droid right into the Death Star and Star Destroyers.
     
  6. dascoyne

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Because ROTJ, more than any other SW film, is simply a merchandising machine with absolutely no interest in logic, character, story or continuity.
     
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  7. Solo4114

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Re: the transports:

    Might've been there to move troops to assist the Ewoks. More likely, they were just there for whatever additional firepower the Rebels could muster. Presumably they had some kind of light armament, so if you massed enough of them and put them in the right formation, they might make a halfway decent antifighter group. Alternatively, you use them as fireships and remote pilot them as flying bombs. Or, you use them to draw fire away from the rest of the more serious ships.

    I mean, in the script, I think they treated the Nebulon-B as a "medical frigate" when the Death Star starts blowing up ships, but that bit was cut from the film or never shot at all. Never mind that the Nebulon-B could've been more than just a medical frigate, and might've actually made a decent warship.


    But in real life, the answer is probably "We have the models, and need to fill the screen."


    Re: Vader

    The theory has, for a long time, been that both Vader and the Emperor wanted Luke to turn...but wanted Luke to turn to help each of them overthrow the other. So, Vader's plan is to fight, bring out Luke's dark side, and then both turn on the Emperor. The Emperor's plan is to have them fight, bring out Luke's dark side, and then dispatch Vader and upgrade to a younger model apprentice with more factory original parts. Instead, Luke beats Vader, ALMOST turns, but doesn't, and then manages to turn Vader to help him overthrow the Emperor.
     
  8. Riceball

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Re the Nebulon B, how do we know that the Nebulon B in Jedi is the same medical frigate that we saw at the end of Empire, who's to say that the Rebels don't have more than one. And it's not like the medical frigate was painted white with red crosses on the sides of its hull or anything, it was grey like most every other ship in Star Wars, so there's nothing to distinguish it from any other Nebulon B.
     
  9. Solo4114

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    The reference to it being a medical frigate appears in the Marvel Comics adaptation of the film, which suggests that the reference was in at least some draft of the script. My point is more that, like you said, it's just...a frigate. There's no reason to assume that such ships are only ever medical frigates, merely because the first one seen in any of the films happens to be one. Like, you could have an X-wing configured for reconnaissance duties. Just because you see it used in one way during the films doesn't mean that is the only use it can possibly have.
     
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  10. SofaKing01

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    The only way I can explain it... that's how it was written in the script. ;)
     
  11. Treadwell

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    I, too, never thought of the ship class, or even the specific ship in ESB, as a medical frigate. I figured it was a warship with a good sick bay.

    However, it is referred to that way in ROTJ, in throwaway battle blather by Wedge when they're chasing a TIE.
     
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  12. astroboy

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    One of the problems that I have with Jedi is that it looked significantly worse than the first two. It looked way cheaper. A few too many matte paintings, and not enough sets.

    As well directed and choreographed as that final space battle was, they needed far more rebel models. That whole scene is full of blockade runners, medical ships and transports. It made no sense. Other than the Mon calimari capital ships, there was no reason for those other ships to be there.What are Medical ships going to do in the middle of a space battle?
     
  13. SmilingOtter

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Well, they didn't expect the DS to be functional, and probably didn't expect such a large Imperial fleet for a welcoming party. They may have anticipated having to mop up the Imperial forces on the ground, chase down escaping ships, etc...
     
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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q


    Right. Wasn't there a diversion behind Sullist?
     
  15. Solo4114

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    I just kinda addressed this. The point being...they aren't medical ships. They're lighter- or medium-class warships, and we only refer to them as "medical frigates" because (A) Lando does once, and (B) in ESB, the ship Luke gets fixed up on is one of those ships. But really, there's no reason to assume that just because the ship is shaped like that, it must be a medical frigate.

    While none of this is canon, the X-wing and Tie Fighter games make it perfectly clear that the Nebulon-B (the name for the "medical frigate") is primarily a warship. In fact, I know of only one mission in which it's explicitly referenced as a medical frigate, and that's for purposes of that mission alone. Wait. Actually, in one of the expansion packs they might've used it as one again. The rest of the time, every time a Nebulon-B appears, it's just a frigate (and a decently powerful one at that). Likewise, the "blockade runners" are just corvettes. They're faster moving light capital ships with two turbolasers on 'em, and a generally excellent field of fire (unless you fly RIGHT behind them). The medium transports, as I recall, don't have weapons, but in other games they're listed as, I think, having light lasers. Other transports, though, have lasers in the games.

    Basically, they used these models because they had them, but there's no reason to assume that the Rebels' main battle fleet is made up of a few heavy capital ships, a ton of fighters, and a bunch of U-hauls and ambulances. :)
     
  16. Inquisitor Peregrinus

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    The line is Wedge's, actually, and it's in the film. Lord knows I heard it enough times going through the space battle shot-by-shot and frame-by-frame to track and catalogue the Rebel fighters.

    After he and one of his wingmen take out a TIE Interceptor, Wedge comments "They're heading for the medical frigate." Note the singular. I always took that to mean, over the years, that out of the various Nebulon-B's there, that one was the medical frigate (and likely the one we saw at the end of ESB), and even though the TIEs were focusing on that one probably by accident, the Rebel fighters had to keep 'em off because that was probably their least-expendable Nebulon-B.

    --Jonah
     
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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    ^or the only medical frigate in the vicinity.
     
  18. batguy

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Rebel troop carriers & medical ships in the Endor battle = middle-eastern insurgents attacking a base driving old minivans & delivery trucks.
     
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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    That's what the EU said they were. Nothing else makes sense.

    I think the EU and the X-Wing/TIE games killed the Medical/Escort Frigate's abilities. Yes Wedge does say "They're going for the Medical Frigate.", but maybe there are multiple versions of that class because in another scene they show one of these ships exchanging broadsides with a Star Destroyer. They have to be much more heavily armed and or shielded to be crazy enough to do that. Like the transports, it wouldn't make sense to do that with your hospital ship! It would be at the far outer edge of the battle.
     
  20. d_jedi1

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    As far as Vader getting whupped, I seem to remember a line in the book about him hitting his head (helmet) HARD when Luke lunges at him.
    Ever tried to fight someone after you bang your head really freakin hard on something?
    Even if that didn't happen, up til Vader makes mention of Leia, Luke's fighting is restrained. Vader doesn't really want to seriously injure his son so when Luke goes ape... Vader is in no way prepared.
     
  21. The Terminator

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    I always thought it was because of Vader's mechanical parts were starting to malfunction...

    This or the fact that the more the imperials have to shoot at(number of targets) the less time they have on each target. Meaning a better chance for the gun ships to do their thing :)
     
  22. Laspector

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Don't you usually take medics into battle with you? Pretty much every war movie I've ever seen has someone, in the heat of battle, yelling "MEDIC!!!" Now, I realize that in a space battle everyone is pretty much vaporized, but wouldn't it make sense to have some kind of medical unit there? Just in case?
     
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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    That makes sense for pretty much every battle but space battles.


    Sure, they should have medics aboard, but it makes no sense to have a medical frigate. I would keep that at the rendezvous spot.

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    They are basically the Toyota pickups of spacecraft.
    You can use them to haul lumber or you can mount weapons in the back.
    Since the rebels are basically a ragtag terrorist group this would seem to make sense.
     
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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    That's pretty much how the US Navy operates, you don't see hospital ships assigned to a carrier battle group, they're found sitting well away in the rear away from any fighting.

    As to why it was present in the Battle of Endor, here's one reason: maybe they had it staged with the fleet in case they had casualties on Endor, they could be evacuated to the medical frigate for treatment. You figure that the capital ships and their escorts are going to be busy fighting and taking care of their own casualties to be able to handle anyone coming from Endor, so they station the medical frigate nearby just for the commando raid.
     
  26. Laspector

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Good thought!
     
  27. JBLAKE

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Thank you all who have replied. It is enjoyable to read the insightful and sometimes fun thoughts ( ie the idea to use empty troop transports as a ramming weapons to destroy the death star or star destroyers ) expressed in each persons opinion/point of view.
    Please continue........
     
  28. Treadwell

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    In fact, that ramming thing was used in a Rogue Squadron game for Gamecube.
     
  29. astroboy

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    But they only sent like, 30 troops to endor (at most). There was probably one medic (who may have stayed at the shuttle). And since there was only one shuttle, it's doubtful that they would have the opportunity to head back until the mission was done
     
  30. Inquisitor Peregrinus

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Now you're trending to a problem with ROTJ in general. I've scoured the space battle front-to-back, shot-by-shot, and frame-by frame in my attempt to identify continuity between shots, who's flying what ship, who's where when, etc. Basically, I was seeing if I could come up with a pre-Endor Red Squadron that I could build for the X-Wing miniatures game. Know what I found? From counting the maximum number of a given type of fighter in any shot, and tracking clusters from one shot to the next to determine which should be treated as continuations of the same group of fighters, and which should be treated as new ships... I come up with no evidence for more than 26 Rebel fighters at the battle (9 X-wings, 8 Y-wings, 5 A-wings, and 4 B-wings), even looking far into the background of the shots. And Red Squadron contains at least two A-Wings and one Y-Wing (that last being both Gray Leader and Red Two).

    A handful of fighters, a handful of commando troops, a handful of frigates, a handful of corvettes, a handful of transports, and two Mon Cal cruisers. That the "Rebel fleet" that's "massing near Sullust"? The Alliance that's "fully assembled"?

    --Jonah
     
  31. astroboy

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    ^interesting
     
  32. Riceball

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    I wasn't thinking so much in the middle of the whole raid but more like once things calmed down a bit and/or when it was all over, obviously they wouldn't be able to conduct medevacs in the middle of the fighting, the shuttle would probably be blown out of the sky. I'd imagine that the Imperials would be a tad suspicious of a shuttle with questionable codes constantly taking off and landing on Endor, esp. when there's word of an attack down there.

    The other thing the medical frigate could be there for are for extra casualties from the fleet itself, sure each ship probably had its own medbay but I'd imagine that the severely injured, people needing further care beyond what their ships can provide, and recovery from surgery would be moved to the hospital frigate which would have much more room and better overall facilities available. It would be sort of like the way we do things now, a person is severely injured in combat, a medic of corpsman stabilizes the wounded for medevac to the rear, the rear facilities stabilize the wounded further to where they're out of immediate danger of dying from their wounds, they're then shipped out to Germany or back to the US for further treatment and recovery like fitting for prosthetic and the like.
     
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  33. Krull

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Well as a kid I always thought Vader just slowed down because he didn't really want to kill his own kid,plus he was having second thoughts about this whole sith thing and knowing the outcome was Luke strikes him down and takes his place? yea maybe we need to talk about this plan great master!

    After the prequels? it's easy to see that Vader had no idea he had a kid,let alone two of them,and considering all he went through and all the crap he did at the end of the third film and now he realized that Palpatine lied to him and he flipped his wig again,remember he wasn't exactly the epitome of reason when he turned and he was trying his best to save the woman he loved....now Palpy is messing with his kids? after he pretty much made it so his woman died? and it was probably his fault? and he now gets he was nothing but a pawn?

    Yea I wouldn't be standing too close to the guy that's for sure!
     
  34. Edraven99

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Well a couple of factors are involved here maybe...

    In order for the Imperials to believe that the Rebels were indeed massing near Sullest, they would have to build up a sizable fleet there in order to maintain that charade.

    Also, the Rebels weren't expecting sizable resistance in their attack on the DS2. Firstly the location was supposed to be secret; second, it's primary defense was supposedly its shield with most likely a picket defense fleet of ships since the bulk of the Imperial Fleet was supposedly scattered across the universe trying to hunt down the Rebels; and lastly, the DS2 wasn't supposed to operational.

    It is conceivable that the bulk of the Rebel fleet was indeed at Sullest and what was sent in to attack the DS2 was a strike force not expecting much resistance...

    Though this does also beg the question more of why were there transport ships and medical frigates in the DS2 attack when you would assume that those were the exact types of "filler" ships that you would want to amass at Sullest...
     
  35. astroboy

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Could it be that when the Emperor was talking about them amassing near sullust he was referring to the fleet that was about to attack the death star?

    It's been a while since I paid attention to that so I could be mistaken
     
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  36. Inquisitor Peregrinus

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    That's the assumption. Especially considering the Sullustan pilots participating in the battle.

    --Jonah
     
  37. Treadwell

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Exactly. I never thought of Sullust as a diversion, but, rather, the Empire had gotten accurate intelligence on what the Rebs were actually up to.
     
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  38. Krull

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Since this thread is here I suppose I can ask this,if anything it'll just show that I need to go rewatch ROTJ :lol

    Just what was Palpy doing with Vader on the new deathstar??? you would think they'd have a rule about never being in one place together for the sake of maybe something happening like...oh maybe they both get killed?

    You know what? I'm gonna dig up my DVD's and go watch.
     
  39. Edraven99

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    I'm not sure... assuming that Sullust as a staging ground was relatively close to Endor, it would be strategically moronic of the Rebel Alliance leaders to amass a large noticeable fleet that close to their target for a sneak attack...

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    Here's the actual quote:

    Darth Vader: What is thy bidding, my master?
    Emperor Palpatine: Send the fleet to the far side of Endor. There it will stay until called for.
    Darth Vader: What of the reports of the rebel fleet massing near Sullust?
    Emperor Palpatine: It is of no concern. Soon the rebellion will be crushed and young Skywalker will be one of us. Your work here is finished, my friend. Go to the command ship and await my orders.
    Darth Vader: Yes, my master.
     
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  40. Laspector

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Speaking of the medical frigate, I just noticed something weird! Here is a Youtube link to the ROTJ space battle only.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o

    This is a 1080 version. Now, toggle to exactly 2:12-2:14. Look directly at the Falcon and then right below it. Off in the distance it looks like possibly two medical frigates, it is hard to make them out, you can really only see small shapes. They almost look like Klingon battle cruisers! They do have the shape of the medical frigate but if you watch the 2 second clip--THEY ARE MOVING BACKWARDS!! I've toggled these 2 seconds over and over and its either Klingons or the medical frigates moving in the wrong direction!

    See what you think.
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    Works best on full screen.
     
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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Why must one assume that?

    Anyway, here's the empirical evidence:
    1. a rebel fleet is massing near Sullust.
    2. a rebel fleet is massing to attack the Death Star, in a location that might or might not be near Sullust.

    No mention of a diversionary fleet is ever made. It's extrapolation to assume there was one. Occam.
     
  42. Laspector

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Here's another thing I just noticed. At :43 just as Ackbar is saying "All craft, prepare to jump into hyperspace!" Watch the squid guy that is standing up to the left. He turns around and starts to push nonexistent buttons on an empty wall! He quickly catches himself, looks to the right, see the computer screen and has an "Ah ha! there's the monitor" moment! Its really kinda funny, obviously the guy could not see out of the mask!
     
  43. crabra comander

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    .
    Clearly that guy was using a holographic readout meant for the SE OTs, Lucas' genius knows no bounds... :lol
     
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    I like how Ackbar says to prepare to jump "on my mark". And then Lando says "all right, stand by" and pulls the lever. Wait, he didn't give the mark!
     
  45. Laspector

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    Capture 2.PNG Here's another screw up! We can assess how big the medical frigate is by watching the end of TESB seeing Luke and Leia in the window. We also have a pretty good idea of how big one of those Tantive IV ships is, pretty much around the same size? Or at least close, right? Yet look at this shot of two of them side by side. This makes the Medical frigate frikkin' huge compared to one of those corellian corvettes. The "Luke/Liea window" would be almost as tall as the Tantive in this pic.
     
  46. Riceball

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    What are you using for scale in this pic, no 2 ships in the pic are on the same plane so there's no way to determine scale. The X-Wing is probably the closest to the camera, followed by the Star Destroyer with the Nebulon B close by but off to the side, and the transport way in the back.

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    While there does appear to be 2 Nebulon Bs in that scene that doesn't necessarily mean that both or either of them are the medical frigate, nothing on screen or off ever indicated that the only role of the Nebulon B was that of a medical frigate.
     
  47. Laspector

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    Re: what's the point of multiple rebel transports in the battle of Endor? Did vader q

    First; Look at the lower left side of the screen. There is a Tantive type ship directly in front of the medical frigate. Look how small it is in relation to the medical frigate behind it. Scale is way off I think.

    Second: I'm not really debating whether or not they are Nebulon B ships, I'm referring to their direction. You have to watch the footage to see it. The still picture was just to show where they were in the frame. If they are indeed Nebulon B ships, they are travelling backwards.
     
  48. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    That's kind of what I'm thinking. That they thought they had surprise so they only sent a smaller force with the larger fleet at Sullust as a distraction. I think the Rebels could have probably put a LOT more fighters into this as well seeing how the Death Star supposedly had a huge contingent of TIEs!

    That's the shot I was talking about earlier with the frigate exchanging broadsides with a Star Destroyer. That to me says that's not THE medical frigate Wedge was talking about. It also seems to show it has better weapons or shields than we think. Otherwise it would be crazy to do that with a Star Destroyer.
     
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    Where are you getting that Sullust is near Endor? I think Imperial intelligence has more resources than Alliance Intel, and when the Rebellion stopped running and hiding and gathered all in one place they were probably found almost instantly. Vader was most likely worried they might be prepping to attack Imperial Center or one of the other major worlds. I don't think the Emperor had clued him in that the Death Star's location had been leaked.

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    It's an assumption since you wouldn't necessarily want to have your troops travel a long period of time to go into battle especially for what's supposed to be a sneak attack; the longer it takes your battle group to get to the battle zone, the greater the chance that your enemy will find out about the attack and prepare for it or call in for additional support. You'd also be expending a greater amount of fuel and your troops may not be as battle ready after a long trip.

    So as the commander of the Rebel fleet, you'd want to launch your attack from the closest strategic point possible to try to gain the maximum advantage over what ships are there protecting the Death Star; hence the assumption that if the fleet that was amassing at Sullust was indeed the fleet that attached the DS2, Sullust is tactically close to Endor.

    And if this is the case, as you point out, with the Empire's resources, their intel would immediately notice a large Rebel fleet massing, it would be colossally stupid of the Alliance leadership to essentially wave a big white flag saying "here we are" that close to their intended target unless there were other high-value targets other than the DS2 within striking distance. But even if there were other potential targets, you would assume that the Imperials would consider the DS2 a top priority and divert assets to protect it just in case.

    So it would make sense that Sullust was a diversionary tactic and the fleet that attacked the DS2 was not the fleet at Sullust.

    Now of course this is all conjecture and supposition because there's no way we know how hyperspace works in the SW universe and Sullust could be the other side of the galaxy from Endor and ships can travel that type of distance instantaneously. But we do know that there is still some sort of a time component involved in hyperspace travel since it seems that it took awhile for the Falcon to reach Alderaan from Tatooine.
     
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