What are the best comic books that....

Larry! Here we go. My wife said to answer these questions.

1.) What did I have for breakfast?
I skip breakfast most days, including today. My wife says if I HAD to answer, when I have time I eat cereal. (non sugary cereals, with organic milk cause thats what my wife buys!)

2.) My last vacation?
Saw Conan O'Brien live in concert (LOVED IT!) a few months ago, in Atlanta (because it was closer).

3.) Favorite movies?
Wrath of Khan,
Batman (89),
Blade 2 (Dammit, I'm being honest),
Temple of Doom,
Wall-E.
{I'm serious, and I don't care what anyone thinks, these are movies that make me HAPPY}

4.) Favorite Comedian?
Bill Hicks

5.) Favorite band?
White Stripes

6.) Favorite shoes?
Doc Martens

7.) Favorite color?
Green (the green that only life on Earth provides)

8.) Favorite book?
It's a tie: The Two Towers (JRR something or another guy) and Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

9.) Favorite car?
68 Dodge Charger

10.) Favorite fictional Weapon?
GREEN rotj Lightsaber

PS: I'm NOT easily offended, but I DON'T like tons and tons of violence. I have a terribly inappropriate sense of humor!:lol I LOVE compelling characters. And Watchmen isn't my bag, I found it droll. Yes, it may be the best comic ever written. Doesn't mean it spoke to me at all. I didn't like it one bit. I prefer things like Richard K Morgan's 'Altered Carbon' and such. Growing up in the late 70s and early 80's, Batman, Wolverine, and the Punisher were my favorite characters.

Logan's 4 part mini series where he fought for the women he loved (and fought Ninja's) was the highlight of my young life in comicbookdom. (I dont think that's a real word!) Wolverine as a short, angry character really spoke to me. In the early 80's he almost died because of several arrows. I preferred Wolverine when he was more vulnerable. And short. The most compelling comic book character in recent memory was Magneto and how he was written in some aspects. (How you could really see his point of view and how he was once a good guy) I have just become SO BURNED OUT on magic and super heros and costumes and capes and constant crisis that threaten the fabric of Earth and the Universe.

I LOVE Batman, but I'm really tired of the character. How much further can they take the character? I can't STAND characters like Superman. (burp) I like my characters flawed and as "real" as possible. Green Lantern may be awesome, but I think I'm done with that type of Magic/Superhero stuff for a while.

Oh, and I've read Walking Dead and LOVED it.

Does that help Larry?

Great topic, I look forward to reading more.




1. What'd you have for breakfast?
2. Where'd you last go on vacation?
and
3. What's your favorite movie?
So, Chuck, if you want to answer those three questions, I will put the perfect book in your hands. :lol
 
If you are truly sick of what mainstream american genre comics provide here is some stuff that is very readable while still definately not boring-

City of Glass - Weird postmodern detective story set in New York. One of my all time favorite comics. It's based off a novel but strangely I think the story's concepts are explained better in the visual/text combination of comics. A little cerebral perhaps, but so freakin' good.

Akira - Mindstunningly good stuff. So giant and epic. It's like the Japanese Cyberpunk Lord of the Rings. Forget the movie THIS is Akira at it's finest.

Notes for a War Story - Fantastic Italian comic about a group of teenage boys trying to survive as a group in a near future war torn country side.

Hard Boiled
- It's kinda like Blade Runner meets Terminator without being like either one of those. Super gory fun with eyeball melting art by Geof Darrow. A quick read that you spend hours exploring in detail.

Other than Akira, these are all nice quick reads that are contained in a single volume. Lots of great cheap and quality reading material beautifully told.

Nick
 
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Agreed on Hard Boiled. And OMG it took foooooreeeeevvvverrrr for that last issue to come out back in the day. I'd written it off.
 
If you are truly sick of what mainstream american genre comics provide here is some stuff that is very readable while still definately not boring-

City of Glass - Weird postmodern detective story set in New York. One of my all time favorite comics. It's based off a novel but strangely I think the story's concepts are explained better in the visual/text combination of comics. A little cerebral perhaps, but so freakin' good.

Akira - Mindstunningly good stuff. So giant and epic. It's like the Japanese Cyberpunk Lord of the Rings. Forget the movie THIS is Akira at it's finest.

Notes for a War Story - Fantastic Italian comic about a group of teenage boys trying to survive as a group in a near future war torn country side.

Hard Boiled
- It's kinda like Blade Runner meets Terminator without being like either one of those. Super gory fun with eyeball melting art by Geof Darrow. A quick read that you spend hours exploring in detail.

Other than Akira, these are all nice quick reads that are contained in a single volume. Lots of great cheap and quality reading material beautifully told.

Nick

Two thoughts:

1.) Chuck, FYI, Akira is apparently VERY different from the film, or at least the film is a super-duper-OOPER condensed version of the comics. I suspect the comics would explain things better whereas the film is visual gloss. (Not bad, mind you, just very much abridged by comparison.)

2.) Re: Hard Boiled -- I always found the artwork in that to be a bit...I dunno..."busy" for my tastes. It's highly detailed, but in a way that, for my eyes, ends up amounting to TOO much detail to the point where it becomes noise for me. Weird, I know. But then, I dig Tim Truman's early stuff (especially to look at it compared to now -- talk about an artist evolving his style), and I still have a special place in my heart for Marc Silvestri's run on X-men back in the late 80s. Maybe I like cruder stuff?

Black Cross and Xenozoic Tales were a couple I enjoyed.

Xenozoic Tales (a.k.a. Cadillacs and Dinosaurs) is great stuff. Oh, and bonus -- there was a cartoon AND a videogame beat-em-up (a la Double Dragon and TMNT) that you can probably still find out there. Very fun sort of 50s pulp.

Queen & Country - Realistic spy series. It's a comic and a few novels. I have one more case (tpb) and the two novels to read. But it's a great series.

Queen & Country - Oni Press

THIS I am going to have to check out.

Garth Ennis' Punisher Max.....


I know a lot of folks dig the later Punisher stuff, but me...I dunno. It seems so over-the-top to me, which I guess is the point, but a point which just doesn't run my engine. I prefer the earlier stuff. I have -- I think -- Issue 5 from the mid-80s run, back when Klaus Janson was drawing the series, and it's a much more subdued approach. It's him going up against a small-time thug, but it's a lot more about Frank using his wits in a more realistic situation. I liked that. It seemed, in that issue anyway, like the Punisher could actually be a real guy in the real world going up against real-life-scale villains. The later stuff sort of strikes me as fusing some of the more outlandish Batman villains with big friggin' guns and lots of blood 'n' guts.



Chuck -- you say you don't like a ton of violence, but you do like compelling characters. Check out Scout and War Shaman, like I mentioned. Skip Grimjack if magic isn't your thing. Or at least save it for later when the "overdose" feeling wears off. As I said, it's sort of "Detective-fiction-meets-magic-and-sci-fi", so it might not be your thing right now. Scout, however, has good -- but not over-the-top-graphic -- action, and (in my opinion) interesting characters. War Shaman especially is good in this regard, and is a bit more personal of a story, but it helps to have read the early stuff to understand what drives the character.

Based on what you said, I'd actually skip Give Me Liberty. Its political satire may be a bit excessive and (sorry, Larry) eye-roll-inducing, and the violence is a bit more graphic than the other stuff I mentioned. It's also oddly...realistic violence in some sense. In a weird way, I think this has to do with some of the sound-effect and speech bubbles used when violence occurs, as much as it does the visuals themselves. Which is interesting because, until writing this, I never really thought what an impact that has. Neat!

Anyway, the Grendel run may be a mixed bag for you. I found it interesting (at least, what I've read).


Can you cite some of your favorite comic artists? Or favorite runs on a given series to give folks a sense of artistic style and tone that you dig?

Examples:

- I love love love John Byrne's run on X-men. Love his art. Don't know why but it feels very...comfortable. Glossy almost.

- I mentioned the one issue of Punisher. I liked the realistic feel of the series, and I found that Klaus Janson's art -- while very much a late-80s-slapdash approach -- worked to create a sense of grit rather than flash. The combination of the two elements -- a more basic art style and more subdued stories -- worked for me.

- I already mentioned the Goodwin/Williamson run on Star Wars and how I love the "retro" feel of what they did.

- While I dug it at the time, I now really have an issue with the sort of over-the-top style of Jim Lee and Whilce Portatio (and others) from the early 90s. I find that stuff like Ivan Reis' work on Green Lantern takes some of that but grounds it more in the ACTUAL human form, so you don't end up with "impossible anatomy" issues.

Can you offer any kind of observations like that? Might help folks figure out what you'd dig.
 
I know; it's me. But, honestly, people who roll their eyes at me in real life are called on it, so why should online decorum be any different? Immature d-bags.
You've clearly never paid attention to the DESCRIPTIONS of what the smilies mean on internet messageboards, or else you'd know that the generally accepted meaning of :rolleyes is SARCASM. I wish I didn't HAVE to use smilies all the time, but sadly, the true meaning and intent of my words is far too often LOST on the people reading them, so I have no choice but to use smilies to make the meaning clear. Capiche?
 
My favorite non-fantastical comic/graphic novel series is called Stray Bullets, by David Lapham. Very nice black & white art. Pulpy character-driven stories. No spandex required!
 
It will probably come as a HUGE surprise, but I'd highly recommend both Twilight Guardian and Common Grounds! They're superhero books, but only in the same sense that Driving Miss Daisy is a car chase movie...


HA HA Nice Troy:cool

You caught me pimping your work. :rolleyes
 
DMZ

Y: The Last Man

Global Frequency

Totally agree with these, and Losers, also Pride of Baghdad is a really good read with beautiful artwork.

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You've clearly never paid attention to the DESCRIPTIONS of what the smilies mean on internet messageboards, or else you'd know that the generally accepted meaning of :rolleyes is SARCASM.

That may as well be, but you've clearly not taken English comprehension skills since your initial attempt at eye-rolling SARCASM was taking me to task for bringing up CAMELOT 3000 as a book for Chuck when it was clearly offered as an example of an innovative comic. So you've screwed the pooch, jackwagon. You're trying to be sarcastic about something whose point you missed. Nice!
 
Besides, this thread is about ME for once. :lol:lol

And, as such, we shall address Chuckian concerns:

1. Since you skip breakfast most days, that tells me you're on-the-go and have no need for fiddlin' around. Get-to-the-point sorta guy, so that means I'll recommend done-in-ones or graphic novels. Beginning, middle, and end; that's what no breakfast says to me.

2. Live comedy that's close to home makes me think you're a man of juxtaposition. Anything goes, as long you know where the bathrooms and exits are, yes? That makes me think funny books that roam far afield thematically but are grounded in the familiar, whether that's in format or subject matter or artistic presentation. Honestly, that could go the other way, too, with something that roams far afield in presentation or subject but is thematically familiar.

3. Your favorite flicks tell me hard action and sci-fi with a heart.

The first one I'd suggest for you is Richard Starkings' ELEPHANTMEN. Sort of a BLADE RUNNER meets TAXI DRIVER starring a genetically-cloned hippo. Here's the wiki on it:

Elephantmen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can guarantee you'll like that one.

Next I'd suggest the first 12 AMERICAN FLAGG!s. You can get them online as floppies or as stand-alone graphic novels from First Comics, or even the collected, re-jiggered hardcover from Image. Imagine James Bond as reluctantly doing his thing in the 80s cyberspace world of MAX HEADROOM or NEUROMANCER. If they had done a movie starring Bruce Willis in 1987, they'd be on the fifteenth one by now.

You might get a kick out of Brian Michael Bendis' JINX, which is sort of a ROCKFORD FILES starring a girl. I'm one of those guys who thinks Bendis' best work was done before he started suckling at the corporate teat, and JINX is the top-of-form of his indy work.

Dunno where you stand on creep-ass horror, as a rule, but I hate it. That said, I think David Hine's STRANGE EMBRACE is an unbelievably good book. I believe in it so strongly that I was about to offer you my edition until I checked it and saw it was #22 of 150 signed-and-numbered and autographed to me personally. So I don't let those copies go, but still. Very, very good book.

Honestly, I think you'll like ELEPHANTMEN so much, PM me your mailing address, and I'll send you the huge ol' hardcover UNHUMAN: THE ART OF LADRONN and you can see if you don't like the art, at least.

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That may as well be, but you've clearly not taken English comprehension skills since your initial attempt at eye-rolling SARCASM was taking me to task for bringing up CAMELOT 3000 as a book for Chuck when it was clearly offered as an example of an innovative comic. So you've screwed the pooch, jackwagon. You're trying to be sarcastic about something whose point you missed. Nice!
With the comment to which you were referring, I was being sarcastic about the fact that the graphic novel Camelot 3000 has magic in it, due to the fact that the Original Poster said he wanted nothing to do with books that have magic in them.

Anyway, enough of that... back to the topic at hand. Now that Chuck has posted more info about what he likes, here's a quick list of recommendations, books I think might be to his liking:
  • The afore-mentioned Camelot 3000 is a great read if you've never had the pleasure. :)
  • POWERS by Bendis and Oeming. I rave about this book all the time because it's just so GOOD! And the best part is the price of admission: Check it out for FREE, yes, that's right, 100% FREE at Powers Daily. That way, if you don't like it, it didn't cost you 1 red cent! Start with the first story arc, "Who Killed Retro Girl?" and see what you think. :cool
  • Atomic Robo by Brian Clevinger. From the mind of the man that brought us the sprite comic sensation 8-Bit Theater comes the story of an atomic-powered robot, created by Nikola Tesla, who fights Nazis, evil robots, monsters, and the occasional Lovecraftian nightmare! If you like old-fashioned pulp science fiction adventures with just the right amount of humor to keep things light and fun, you should dig it. :cool
  • Gonna second the recommendation of IDW's reprint volumes of Marvel's old G.I.*Joe: A Real American Hero comics! Screw the old cartoon, THIS was what Joe Vs. Cobra was MEANT to be! :)
  • Gonna mention Dark Horse's Conan again, too. Great stuff. Really great. Well worth reading.
  • Ray Bradbury's classic novel Fahrenheit 451 was adapted as a graphic novel a year or 2 ago, well worth picking up. :cool
  • The first volume of a new graphic novel adaptation of William F. Nolan & George Clayton Johnson's Logan's Run is in stores now, called Logan's Run: Last Day. Also well worth picking up. :cool
  • All kidding and sarcasm aside, I've actually been hearing good things about the current Lone Ranger comics from Dynamite Entertainment. If you're a fan of westerns and/or the character, they're supposed to be very good.
Hope that helps you find something you'll enjoy, Chuck. :)
 
With the comment to which you were referring, I was being sarcastic about the fact that the graphic novel Camelot 3000 has magic in it, due to the fact that the Original Poster said he wanted nothing to do with books that have magic in them.

Right; we all got that. I was pointing at you and laughing because I didn't offer up CAMELOT 3000 as a book for Chuck; I was offering it up as a book that was innovating the form. So you were being sarcastic about a point that wasn't being made. I then went on to point out to you that you have no English comprehension skills. And then you offer up that yes, indeed, you didn't get what was going on. AWESOME! :lol
 
Awesome post Larry. I'm gonna have to read a LOT of those. But I gotta be honest. The fact that you didn't offer this to me for FREE hurts. It hurts. :cry



Dunno where you stand on creep-ass horror, as a rule, but I hate it. That said, I think David Hine's STRANGE EMBRACE is an unbelievably good book. I believe in it so strongly that I was about to offer you my edition until I checked it and saw it was #22 of 150 signed-and-numbered and autographed to me personally. So I don't let those copies go, but still. Very, very good book.
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