WandaVision

Gimpdiggity said:
You seem extremely well versed in the comics, so you might be able to give some input here.

In regards to “Nexus” and the in show ad we got, I have read that there is a “Nexus of Realities” in Marvel comics, and it was apparently alluded to in one of the Thor movies.

The article I read said that in some stories, Man Thing is the Guardian of this Nexus.

Do you think it’s possible the vibes we saw in the basement have something to do with that? I’m not really familiar with Man Thing, but I believe he’s...like...a plant?
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A little bit there is what I'm starting to call George Lucas Syndrome -- "nexus" is used in several ways throughout the publishing history of Marvel. They're... semi-related? But, near as I know, no one has yet made the effort to tie them together.

First, there are Nexus Beings. These are magickally powerful keystone individuals, whose powers affect probability, and, thus, causality. If someone can change reality or rewrite events they don't like, that affects the future. They are watched over by various interdimensional entities and organizations. This is why some are speculating the next Big Bad in the MCU will be Kang the Conqueror. His whole thing is wanting dominion over all realities, all alternate timelines, and using time and dimension hopping to achieve this.

Any given reality only can have one Nexus Being. Some have been on Earth. Others would, obviously, be elsewhere. Most we don't know about and never will. Wanda is one such. What I am less sure about is... Well, she's the Nexus Being in the reality of Earth-616 -- the original Marvel comic universe. I've never seen anything say the same person could, or could not, be the Nexus Being in more than one reality.

Then there is the Nexus of All Realities, and that gets... a little weird. It's a trans-dimensional gateway that allows people to travel to other versions of reality. Very much involved in the Multiverse. All the realities converge there, even though it's in different places in different realities -- and, apparently, sometimes within people. I honestly don't know if sometimes editorial teams get confused between the two types of Nexi.

Any rate, on Earth-616, the Nexus of All Realities is in the Florida Everglades, and Man-Thing is one of its guardians. It was a scientist trying to recreate the Super Soldier Serum. Obviously, it didn't work. He lost most of his human intellect in the process, animal and vegetable matter getting fused through science and mysticism. It can sense human emotion, and, while it fights to protect the Nexus, it is enraged by fear, seeks it out and consumes whatever is sending it out with a sort of mystical-chemical corrosive. The tagline since early on has been, "Whoever knows fear burns at the touch of the Man-Thing."

Between that, Agatha, Wanda, the (probable) Darkhold, the possibility of Mephisto, Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness... I'm curious just how far they're going to go down the magic and horror rabbit-hole of the Marvel universe...
 
Gimpdiggity said:
I have read that there is a “Nexus of Realities” in Marvel comics, and it was apparently alluded to in one of the Thor movies.
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Oh! I forgot this bit. The Dark World was about the conjunction of the Nine Realms that happens only once every so often, and when it does travel between them is chaotically unimpeded. Let's see... You're racing down a highway. Behind you is the past. Ahead is the future. Above and below are the Nine Realms, linked by Yggdrasil, the "World Tree". But look to your right and left and you see a near-infinite number of versions of you (and the other Realms above and below them) racing along their own highways. Some are nearly identical. Some, you're a sentient dinosaur, some Earth never formed at all, some have DC better than Marvel at making movies still...

But. *pinches the bridge of the nose* ...And here's where the headache starts... All of those parallel/branching realities are only of some version of the universe consistent with our physical laws. At the moment of creation, the theory goes, the laws of nature are up for grabs. So all those parallel realities I mentioned above, in simplistic, three-dimensional terms... are, like, an unbounded eleven-dimensional "cone", expanding outward from a single origin point. Every time any subatomic particle can go more than one way, it goes all of them as each possibility splits off a new diverging timeline. Multiplied out to all the subatomic particles in the universe. But other universes that had a different set of physical laws assert themselves at creation will be expanding their own way, similarly. Hell, the Dark Dimension, Limbo, and others. That's the Multiverse.
 
Inquisitor Peregrinus said:
Oh! I forgot this bit. The Dark World was about the conjunction of the Nine Realms that happens only once every so often, and when it does travel between them is chaotically unimpeded. Let's see... You're racing down a highway. Behind you is the past. Ahead is the future. Above and below are the Nine Realms, linked by Yggdrasil, the "World Tree". But look to your right and left and you see a near-infinite number of versions of you (and the other Realms above and below them) racing along their own highways. Some are nearly identical. Some, you're a sentient dinosaur, some Earth never formed at all, some have DC better than Marvel at making movies still...

But. *pinches the bridge of the nose* ...And here's where the headache starts... All of those parallel/branching realities are only of some version of the universe consistent with our physical laws. At the moment of creation, the theory goes, the laws of nature are up for grabs. So all those parallel realities I mentioned above, in simplistic, three-dimensional terms... are, like, an unbounded eleven-dimensional "cone", expanding outward from a single origin point. Every time any subatomic particle can go more than one way, it goes all of them as each possibility splits off a new diverging timeline. Multiplied out to all the subatomic particles in the universe. But other universes that had a different set of physical laws assert themselves at creation will be expanding their own way, similarly. Hell, the Dark Dimension, Limbo, and others. That's the Multiverse.
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Oh please.. Seriously. This is absurd!
DC better than Marvel at making movies is crazy talk.
(I couldn't help myself)
 
I know it's hard to believe, but at one point DC/Warner were putting out things like this:

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...at a time Marvel was giving us things like this:

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On February 18, in a video interview with Esquire, on the subject of upcoming characters and the difficulty keeping them under wraps and not being leaked...
Paul Bettany said:
There is one character that has not been revealed. And it is very exciting. It is an actor I've longed to work with all of my life. We have some amazing scenes together and I think the chemistry between us is extraordinary and fireworks on set.
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Well played, Paul. And **** you. :lol:

In other news, apparently the purple was nothing to do with the Power Stone -- maybe. From Agatha's final line... possible witches' power has a certain color spectrum depending on "type"? I'm having a tough time getting a read off her. She did bad things, and she's obviously pretty jaded, but I wasn't getting flat-out villain vibes. Something more complex at play. Also, given Agatha went there following Wanda's power, I don't think there's a coven in Westview, nor Dottie being Clea. Hayward is really putting his foot in it, though. Pretty sure seeing what he's done is what's going to trigger the Wanda-incident alluded to in the snippets we've gotten about Multiverse of Madness. Also, cute job, that -- carefully editing the video of Wanda at S.W.O.R.D. to give a very slanted narrative. Prick.
 
I'll try to be as non-specific as possible, for those who haven't seen it yet...

It's early & I'm trying to process, so, near the end, in the living room, we saw what Wanda created. That created thing, we've seen it function autonomously & at full power, then in the after credits scene, we learn where an alternate source of power could be obtained & what that power source actually is.

Does that mean that we've learned what the most powerful being in the MCU is? Or could it be a combination of the unknown ability we learned about from the childhood scene & the exposure to the stone?

I guess the last thing is this- we need to know more about the rules for witches in the MCU. I mean, are they born with the ability, like in HP? You either is one or you ain't. Or were we learning that this was an actual 'mutant' ability?
 
So... Agatha actually had almost no role in creating the illusion as we were lead to believe? Also hoping we get some explanation then for how or why Agatha was there almost immediately in the first episode. Had she been following Wanda? Did she just happen to live in that town? Because it wasn’t her that started it.
 
Usagi Pilgrim said:
I'll try to be as non-specific as possible, for those who haven't seen it yet...

It's early & I'm trying to process, so, near the end, in the living room, we saw what Wanda created. That created thing, we've seen it function autonomously & at full power, then in the after credits scene, we learn where an alternate source of power could be obtained & what that power source actually is.

Does that mean that we've learned what the most powerful being in the MCU is? Or could it be a combination of the unknown ability we learned about from the childhood scene & the exposure to the stone?
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I think there are two different levels at play. In the one hand, we've seen a few people using an Infinity Stone or channeling its power: Thanos and Ronan were strong enough to wield the Power Stone and able to do decent damage with it. Peter Quill was able to use it also, but only with the rest of the Guardians to spread the load. The Reality Stone was killing Jane. When the Red Skull held the Tesseract directly, it looked like an extremely painful experience when it sent him to Vormir. Loki was able to hold it at least long enough to be able to blip out, and Thanos held the naked Space Stone with no negative effects until he added it to the gauntlet and its power joined with the Power Stone's. Tony's power output after synthesizing "Tesseract-stuff" is impressively high, but still on the same level of city-block-leveling. We have no idea yet what Monica is capable of putting out, but it does not, so far, seem to be on a substantially bigger scale. Nothing Vision did in the show seemed to be anywhere near as powerful as his combat power levels in Age of Ultron or Civil War. If Monica was empowered by whatever energy Wanda is putting out, I have no problem believing that Vision is, too.

Then we have Wanda, herself, and Carol Danvers. Both seem to have been turned into something like a conduit for an entire Stone's universal potential -- in the former case, the Mind Stone, and, in the latter, the Space Stone. Their power levels are a couple orders of magnitude greater, and I don't think we've seen the extent of either yet. These are people now capable of outputting on the level of cosmic entities like the Phoenix or Galactus or the Celestials.

Usagi Pilgrim said:
I guess the last thing is this- we need to know more about the rules for witches in the MCU. I mean, are they born with the ability, like in HP? You either is one or you ain't. Or were we learning that this was an actual 'mutant' ability?
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And this is what I am wondering now, as well. Since they don't have to dance around the word "mutant" now, I wonder if we're going to get some in-universe exploring into people with innate abilities, not imposed from without... Although, one of my favorite takes is that people like Steve and Tony and Bruce and Reed and Peter Parker are mutants, that Steve and Bruce and Peter and Reed had mutations that enabled them to survive circumstances that should have killed them, but they came out stronger and with abilities beyond those of mortal men. Tony's was what they call a "passive mutation" -- his intellect. This may be a widespread thing. Bruce and Reed are also supergeniuses, Peter doesn't seem far behind, and Steve doesn't have the formal education but is sure no dummy. Then there are people like Doug Ramsey and Hank McCoy. In Doug's case, like Tony's, his abilities are 100% mental. Possible that neurological aspect of things might also be the reason for telepaths like Charles and Jean.

So some people have their mutant abilities manifest on their own, sometimes from birth, more often around puberty or when under some extreme duress. Others have only had the potential activated by outside stimulus. (And some, both.) In the comic universe, Wanda and Pietro have their abilities awaken naturally as teenagers. In the MCU, it might have taken an Infinity Stone to activate them. See previous: Surviving energies that should have killed them (and did kill all the other subjects). But. This episode was annoyingly, deliberately unclear. Did she hex the bomb into not going off, beyond its initial failure? We cut away just as we'd see, one way or the other. Ultimately, though, I feel whatever her abilities might have been on their own, they've been amped up by tapping her into the Mind Stone.
 
Inquisitor Peregrinus said:
I think there are two different levels at play. In the one hand, we've seen a few people using an Infinity Stone or channeling its power: Thanos and Ronan were strong enough to wield the Power Stone and able to do decent damage with it. Peter Quill was able to use it also, but only with the rest of the Guardians to spread the load. The Reality Stone was killing Jane. When the Red Skull held the Tesseract directly, it looked like an extremely painful experience when it sent him to Vormir. Loki was able to hold it at least long enough to be able to blip out, and Thanos held the naked Space Stone with no negative effects until he added it to the gauntlet and its power joined with the Power Stone's. Tony's power output after synthesizing "Tesseract-stuff" is impressively high, but still on the same level of city-block-leveling. We have no idea yet what Monica is capable of putting out, but it does not, so far, seem to be on a substantially bigger scale. Nothing Vision did in the show seemed to be anywhere near as powerful as his combat power levels in Age of Ultron or Civil War. If Monica was empowered by whatever energy Wanda is putting out, I have no problem believing that Vision is, too.

Then we have Wanda, herself, and Carol Danvers. Both seem to have been turned into something like a conduit for an entire Stone's universal potential -- in the former case, the Mind Stone, and, in the latter, the Space Stone. Their power levels are a couple orders of magnitude greater, and I don't think we've seen the extent of either yet. These are people now capable of outputting on the level of cosmic entities like the Phoenix or Galactus or the Celestials.


And this is what I am wondering now, as well. Since they don't have to dance around the word "mutant" now, I wonder if we're going to get some in-universe exploring into people with innate abilities, not imposed from without... Although, one of my favorite takes is that people like Steve and Tony and Bruce and Reed and Peter Parker are mutants, that Steve and Bruce and Peter and Reed had mutations that enabled them to survive circumstances that should have killed them, but they came out stronger and with abilities beyond those of mortal men. Tony's was what they call a "passive mutation" -- his intellect. This may be a widespread thing. Bruce and Reed are also supergeniuses, Peter doesn't seem far behind, and Steve doesn't have the formal education but is sure no dummy. Then there are people like Doug Ramsey and Hank McCoy. In Doug's case, like Tony's, his abilities are 100% mental. Possible that neurological aspect of things might also be the reason for telepaths like Charles and Jean.

So some people have their mutant abilities manifest on their own, sometimes from birth, more often around puberty or when under some extreme duress. Others have only had the potential activated by outside stimulus. (And some, both.) In the comic universe, Wanda and Pietro have their abilities awaken naturally as teenagers. In the MCU, it might have taken an Infinity Stone to activate them. See previous: Surviving energies that should have killed them (and did kill all the other subjects). But. This episode was annoyingly, deliberately unclear. Did she hex the bomb into not going off, beyond its initial failure? We cut away just as we'd see, one way or the other. Ultimately, though, I feel whatever her abilities might have been on their own, they've been amped up by tapping her into the Mind Stone.
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Did we just see Wanda create an Infinity Stone? The Vision that she made has a Mind Stone in it's head, we've seen it have all the abilities of the real Vision like flight & morphing his appearance, & it seems to be able to use the stone to affect minds.

If this is the case, then someone is going to be very important to Doctor Strange, cause he needs a new
Time Stone
.
 
Kylash said:
So... Agatha actually had almost no role in creating the illusion as we were lead to believe? Also hoping we get some explanation then for how or why Agatha was there almost immediately in the first episode. Had she been following Wanda? Did she just happen to live in that town? Because it wasn’t her that started it.
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No, she wasn't already living there. She was drawn to that place.. Agatha explained to Wanda that she sensed the creation of Westview due to all the spells/magic being used all at once.
 
Usagi Pilgrim said:
Did we just see Wanda create an Infinity Stone? The Vision that she made has a Mind Stone in it's head, we've seen it have all the abilities of the real Vision like flight & morphing his appearance, & it seems to be able to use the stone to affect minds.

If this is the case, then someone is going to be very important to Doctor Strange, cause he needs a new
Time Stone
.
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I don't know that she created a new stone as much as she created a new consciousness for Vision. So Vision in the Hex may not have a real body but his "soul" is real and alive.
 
Kylash said:
So... Agatha actually had almost no role in creating the illusion as we were lead to believe? Also hoping we get some explanation then for how or why Agatha was there almost immediately in the first episode. Had she been following Wanda? Did she just happen to live in that town? Because it wasn’t her that started it.
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I think it's implied in the show that more episodes existed in universe than we saw, so we don't actually know how long it was between when Wanda TV-ified the town and Agatha showed up.
 
So on the shot of the dvds that Wandas parents have you see Malcolm in the middle right? Didn’t that show come out in 2000? This seems to be a scene they would take place around 98 because they were born in 89 and are 9. No way that was on dvd in 98.
 
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