Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

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Qui-Gonzalez said:
He doesn't need to have seen either of those helmets if he has something fresh out of the mold. Wasn't Baker contracted to make a mold when the screen helmet was brought back to the States for pickup shots?

Again, let's leave the TM out of this discussion entirely. We have to go by what we have that is from LFL and what we have shows nothing...to my eyes. I cannot see a scar where there is none, and on that mold, there is no huge divot on the cheek.
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Sure he does if he's making accusations and statements of fact like the owners of those helmets have added the c scar and there is no such thing on either the original helmet or the UK mould.
Pretty ballsy statement given that he hasn't had either privately owned helmet, original helmet or UK mould in hand.
 
Maybe all the closeup pics ended up wherever your divot ended up! It's only a theory. :)

The Tantive IV still where Vader is pointing a finger at Leia.........look at her eyes.........she too is staring right at that divot. I see something new every single day combing over the screen shots. LOL
 
Juan, for me personally, I'd like my divot and my C scar. Not because i believe either were intentional by the art dept......but because it gives a more authentic feel to the replica than just making it sterile and clean. It's what I saw on screen...... I'm sure just as many prefer the clean Limited version of the helmet and that is perfectly fine too. The truth is, we can't have the un-touched original Vader helmet thanks to Mr. Baker, so we can only turn to replicas......no replica is identical to the screen helmet so whatever makes us warm and fuzzy is the best helmet for each of us. :) In my perfect world, I'd have one of each of these pedigree helmets so I could look at all the little blobs and dings and know that between all of these helmets, lies perfection. But in reality, it simply doesn't exist with just one helmet.
 
vaderdarth said:
Juan, for me personally, I'd like my divot and my C scar. Not because i believe either were intentional by the art dept......but because it gives a more authentic feel to the replica than just making it sterile and clean. It's what I saw on screen...... I'm sure just as many prefer the clean Limited version of the helmet and that is perfectly fine too. The truth is, we can't have the un-touched original Vader helmet thanks to Mr. Baker, so we can only turn to replicas......no replica is identical to the screen helmet so whatever makes us warm and fuzzy is the best helmet for each of us. :) In my perfect world, I'd have one of each of these pedigree helmets so I could look at all the little blobs and dings and know that between all of these helmets, lies perfection. But in reality, it simply doesn't exist with just one helmet.
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Do you have both a TM and an SL or just the SL.. If you do have both,
which one has the more defined C-scar?
 
See, this is where I will disagree. Before coming here, before doing ANY research on Vader, I would be just like every other Star Wars fan who is NOT a prop geek. "The dude in all black!" would be all I would know about Vader. That is the illusion. Somehow, our "Vader Innocence" was lost in researching every facet of this costume. This is also why, in my opinion, that eFX only released so small a number of the Legend. People do not want the dings and scratches and crappy paintwork.
 
Artisan, I don't have either yet. I would love to have both however after these discussions. I'd also like to have the eFX just as I am a completist.

Qui you are right, most average folks see a shiny black bad guy and don't even notice the gunmetal........but I ain't those guys thanks to people on these forums......LOL. It's not my fault I swear it!!!!!
 
I am just going to be happy i have a Legend on order and move on. These guys are not going to show their super secret photos so we are waisting our time. I really am not a huge Vader fan even though i bought SS's bust last year and this Legend this year. It's the only Vader items i own. I don't get involved in the Vader threads either unless i have money invested like this piece. I AM a big accuracy fan like most here and why i was interested in the whole thread. Now that i know the Baker mold doesn't have the scar and everything else i learned in the EFX thread, i am done. I got sucked up into arguing about a helmet that i couldn't care less about. I am going back to id'ing the ***** ******.
 
Two years ago i realized that the Vader helmet was two toned
About six months ago i found out that some of the main differences betwee ESB and ANH are the chin vent and the widows peak.
About four days ago i found out that the ANH Vader has a divot in his left eye brow
About 16 hours ago i found out that the C scar existed
About a minute ago, i found out about a small bubble on the right top cheek... .

.... Imagine what i will find out tomorrow...
 
Juansith said:
Two years ago i realized that the Vader helmet was two toned
About six months ago i found out that some of the main differences betwee ESB and ANH are the chin vent and the widows peak.
About four days ago i found out that the ANH Vader has a divot in his left eye brow
About 16 hours ago i found out that the C scar existed
About a minute ago, i found out about a small bubble on the right top cheek... .

.... Imagine what i will find out tomorrow...
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You might wake up an 80 year old man tomorrow only to find out Star Wars
never existed and everything you've experieneced until this very moment
was just a really bad dream. including the C-scar :)
 
Now, I'm still not taking sides but I do find it odd that none of the TM or SL owners posted up pics. Plus the TM pics while being restored are missing from the thread over on Prop Den.

Now forgive me for asking but the pics of the mold interior, they are of THE Baker mold or the eFX mold master off of the Baker pull? I would have to assume that you made a pull from the original mold and had to make a new master mold for the following 1250 castings.
 
encased said:
Now, I'm still not taking sides but I do find it odd that none of the TM or SL owners posted up pics. Plus the TM pics while being restored are missing from the thread over on Prop Den.

Now forgive me for asking but the pics of the mold interior, they are of THE Baker mold or the eFX mold master off of the Baker pull? I would have to assume that you made a pull from the original mold and had to make a new master mold for the following 1250 castings.
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Which TM thread? Are you talking about the original TM thread when they
first unvailed it?

That's of the Baker mould.
 
Encased, it's at least 2nd generation castings for the masses, likely 3rd generation if they had to create multiple moulds for production. Much like the divot, and C scar, it's a tiny detail. Won't change anything significantly. :)
 
Qui-Gonzalez said:
See, this is where I will disagree. Before coming here, before doing ANY research on Vader, I would be just like every other Star Wars fan who is NOT a prop geek. "The dude in all black!" would be all I would know about Vader. That is the illusion. Somehow, our "Vader Innocence" was lost in researching every facet of this costume. This is also why, in my opinion, that eFX only released so small a number of the Legend. People do not want the dings and scratches and crappy paintwork.
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Except there's no real evidence of this is there beyond supposition, licensed prop collectible companies have never released warts and all replicas to test the theory before, the fact that the legend version sold out in 4 minutes and there are still people wanting one seems to go against the theory doesn't it.
I'd think you'd have to be somewhat of a nut to want to spend hundreds of dollars on a movie replica to begin with even an idealised one, you're average Joe in the street who watches a movie now and again would think you're crazy, is it really a stretch to think anyone nutty enough to spend a considerable amount of money on a replica might want one as accurate as possible ?
 
Artisan: Yes, the TM pics I speak of that are missing are/were in the original reveal thread showing the progress.

I still wouldn't doubt if LFL specifically told them to remove certain details as they don;t like exact replicas out in public.

i do find it interesting that the nice cordial thread started over on Prop Den that everyone was supposed to join up for has become a bash thread on page 2. I'm very disappointed.

I guess my ideal would be the casting of the original helmet from the 1st mold without damage so i could do it myself.
 
vaderdarth said:
Encased, it's at least 2nd generation castings for the masses, likely 3rd generation if they had to create multiple moulds for production. Much like the divot, and C scar, it's a tiny detail. Won't change anything significantly. :)
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I was asking because I wanted to make sure the mold I was seeing was the RB mold and not the eFX master mold. Sometimes the wrong pics get chosen when posting. Was just double checking.
 
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