Unbelieveable Movie Scenes : what were they thinking?

[Rotwang]

The Black Hole (Disney '79)...

Okay dismissing that the entire premise of the film is about a spacecraft that can hover close to "the largest black hole ever on record"...

As long as it doesn't go over the event horizion any object should be fine, it will feel the pull of gravity, but it isn't inherently any worse than that of a big star. It's a popular idea that black holes attract anything in sight, but that's wrong. In fact you could have a perfectly fine black hole system with planets rotating around a black hole.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Explosives breaking up the ice and sending chunks of it hurtling down towards the submerged underwater base in that G.I.Joe movie.

The fact that wasn't stopped by the writer, director, any of the crew or actors for being so utterly stupid even a 3-year-old could have told it, you begin to question the people who actually worked on that movie.

Wait...

Are you saying in the GI Joe movie that ice .. sank?

:lol

 

[Kerr Avon]

Which direction do you have to fly to go back in time? :lol

Well, direction doesn't matter, but if Superman needs to know how far back in time he's gone, i.e., far enough, he needs something to look at. So he can just look down at the Earth and watch things with his super peepers, and when he sees things like the fault line closed back up before the Earthquake, he knows he's gone far enough.

 

[GlazyUK]

The Black Hole (Disney '79)...

Okay dismissing that the entire premise of the film is about a spacecraft that can hover close to "the largest black hole ever on record"...

At the end of the film, the Cygnus is breaking up after being bombarded by a meteor shower. The structure of the ship is falling apart and being drawn into the Black Hole.

Our heroes have to escape by getting into the Cygnus' Probe Ship (which they plan to use as an escape pod)...

However our heroes have to go outside the Cygnus (I believe actually through a hole in the side of the ship) to get to the Probe ship.

They do this entirely without spacesuits! They're not even wearing oxygen masks! AND there is a "mist" swirling around them as they try to climb the frame of the Probe ship to enter it (I guess this mist is what is allowing them to breathe in outer space :rolleyes). At one point one of the characters (Pizer) loses his footing and beings floating off into space toward the black hole screaming (yes screaming) HELLLPPP!!

I know this is a kid's movie by Disney... but the stretch of how the universe works goes completely into WTF land here. :lol

I'm sure I read that they did actually make spacesuits for this scene, but they were so bad the actors refused to wear them, so they just filmed the scene without them !!

 

[CessnaDriver]

*pushes nerd glasses up*

In the comics, one of the means they showed for how Superman's super strength, invulnerability, and flight work is that he actually has a tactile-based telekinetic shield that encompasses his body at skin level. Therefor when Superman is flying with Lois (or anyone else for that matter), it extends to her and supports her as well.

*end nerd info-dump*

Clearly the remarkable powers of the Last Son of Krypton are endlessly astonishing!

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Wait...

Are you saying in the GI Joe movie that ice .. sank?

:lol

That's how I remember it. It was so stupid I almost left the theater, but I knew the movie was almost over... so I sat through it. What came before really wasn't any better, but THAT took the cake of dumb.

 

[SSgt Burton]

As long as it doesn't go over the event horizion any object should be fine, it will feel the pull of gravity, but it isn't inherently any worse than that of a big star. It's a popular idea that black holes attract anything in sight, but that's wrong. In fact you could have a perfectly fine black hole system with planets rotating around a black hole.

I believe in the film it was explained that the Cygnus was well within the event horizon of the black hole, however it had these incredible anti gravity generators which allowed it to keep from being pulled in.

At any rate in the film the Palomino did cross over the Event Horizon of the black hole and was attracted to it, but was suddenly able to hold its position once it was within range of the Cygnus; the gravity well of the black hole was just "turned off."


Interesting info about the actors/spacesuits. Unbelievable of them to refuse to wear them! It is a film set in outer space after all... what did they expect? :unsure :rolleyes


Although I'm now dying of curiosity as to how bad the spacesuits actually were! :lol

Kevin

 

[Jeyl]

Not a problem - scientists are in no way above holding personal biases, prejudices, and unfounded beliefs. See any number of scientists who defend creationism, maintain religious beliefs, etc. Being a 'scientist' doesn't automatically turn someone into a robot.

You know what a machine said about science once?

Data: Captain, the most elementary and valuable statement in science, the beginning of wisdom, is 'I do not know.'

What Shaw does in Prometheus is the exact opposite. She has this one idea about a cave drawing, and runs with it. What is it about a tall guy pointing at a bunch of stars that signifies "CREATORS OF HUMAN LIFE"? If anything, Shaw's insistence on basing her conclusions on belief is more robot like than what an actual scientist would normally do. Asking for proof is not something a scientist would shoot down since science is basing your conclusions that can be proven. Maybe instead of insisting that her unfounded conclusions are the best answer there is, she would have been more open minded to other possibilities or, as many scientists do, state that these are mere speculations. Maybe these engineers were just aliens who visited us over the years and left us a map to their home just like the Voyager probes.

 

[IndyFanChuck]

I disagree with you here. I think people's beliefs can exist regardless of your scientific research. It's like saying that a Judge in a courtroom can't make a decision because of some personal bias he or she may or may not have.

Knowing and believing can be very much the same thing for some people out there. Just my two cents, but I think many people here might agree with me.

Or not. I did love Blade Trinity. :behave

Prometheus
Shaw: But it's what I choose to believe.

This is what happens when you let a writer who doesn't know how science works write a scientist. There is a big difference between knowing and believing. When you're in the field of science, your work draws on conclusions that are tangible and/or provable. Despite Shaw being the scientist who convinced Weyland to spend a trillion dollars on this expidition, she barely has any scientific traits. If character is so closed minded about their beliefs that they'll brush off anyone's questions about their conclusions, they are NOT SCIENTISTS. What makes this film worse is that it paints her as the real thinker amongst the cast. :facepalm

 

[IndyFanChuck]

I love that scene in ToD!!!! LOL Cause it makes me laugh, I guess. :lol

Temple of Doom.
A life raft keeping three people from going splat? more then once!
I still cringe at the idiocy of that. Maybe if they started on an almost vertical very sloping
surface and gradually slide down to horizontal.

Pretty much all of Armegeddon.

 

[Nwerke]

Wait...

Are you saying in the GI Joe movie that ice .. sank?

:lol

I don't get it...what's the problem?






....ice is just like white rock stuff, right?



:lol

Unbelievable.

Re the Palomino and Cygnus, they both stay well outside the black hole's accretion disc, let alone its event horizon. The film makes it clear that the Cygnus has modified engines which allow it to maintain station in a grav-free bubble.

The stupid escape scene is bad, though. I mean it comes right after a scene where vacuum nearly pulls people out of a greenhouse. HUH?!??!

 

[zorg]

i just watched DREDD----(scrub that it was total recall) last night.

the travelling through the centre of the earth was too much for me.

i'm just going to forget that part.

it would have been easier to fix the world to make it habitable again.

-z

 

[zorg]

Temple of Doom.
A life raft keeping three people from going splat? more then once!
I still cringe at the idiocy of that. Maybe if they started on an almost vertical very sloping
surface and gradually slide down to horizontal.

that was on tv the other month so i switched it on at that very part (never seen it before) i just sat gobsmacked at it. i switched it off as i couldn't take it any longer. i won't even bother watching the other ones now.

Also along those lines of going splat.

Iron Man in the Mk I falling into the dune.

Yeah, he would be very dead from that impact.

And also the battles later, I don't care how much fictional inertial dampening he has.
They would be pouring him out that armour.

thats the one part in that movie that really annoys me. his internal organs would be ripped from their mountings. how do they let things like this pass?


-z

 

[Jeyl]

I disagree with you here. I think people's beliefs can exist regardless of your scientific research. It's like saying that a Judge in a courtroom can't make a decision because of some personal bias he or she may or may not have.

...What? I'm not saying a scientist can't have any faith in something. It's just that when someone uses faith to justify why everyone is on a scientific expedition, you're not acting like a scientist.

Remember, faith doesn't need proof, but science does. When Shaw states that she doesn't need proof to back up her discovery, she's not being scientific. Why is this a problem? Because she's the lead scientist of this trillion dollar expedition.

Let's say there was a math quiz and there are two students. They're both given the same problem. 2 + 2 = __. One of the students answers with a four, while the other answers with a five. When asked to show how 2 + 2 = 5, the student simply states "I don't need to show how. I choose to believe 2 + 2 is five." Now, which student would you choose to represent your school in a math competition? The student who can prove 2 + 2 = 4, or the one who simply believes to them self that 2 + 2 = 5?

 

[tsam]

i just watched DREDD last night.

the travelling through the centre of the earth was too much for me.

i'm just going to forget that part.

it would have been easier to fix the world to make it habitable again.

-z

travelling through the centre of the earth in DREDD??? i don't remember that. are you talking about the new Total Recall?

 

[zorg]

travelling through the centre of the earth in DREDD??? i don't remember that. are you talking about the new Total Recall?

HAHAHAHA **** wrong movie! i meant total recall sorry

 

[Wes R]

That's how I remember it. It was so stupid I almost left the theater, but I knew the movie was almost over... so I sat through it. What came before really wasn't any better, but THAT took the cake of dumb.

To be fair that live action Joe movie makes the 80s cartoon look like Gone With The Wind lol.

For me The Day After Tomorrow does it when the super storm ice age suddenly ends and everything is thawing out super fast. I know they sped up things to fit into 2 hours but for crying out loud that's going way too fast.

 

[tamplain]

Most of the movie Iron Sky due to blatant disregard for the law of gravity and the effects of being raised in a low gravity environment. Comparatively the astronaut from Earth should have been like Superman vs the Nazis on the moon.

 

[Nwerke]

Ahhh, Wes, that doesn't happen. They all move to Mexico.

 

[tamplain]

Ahhh, Wes, that doesn't happen. They all move to Mexico.

That's what thought too. Unless Wes is refering to when Dennis Quaid busts into the library? But that wasn't a thaw, just not quite as cold as when the supercold front hit.