Ultimate 66 inch Enterprise, RShanko

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The exchange of money changes everything. If this was simply for enjoyment and not commerce as well, then there would be plenty of praise for it.

Truth In Advertising....


Marketing and commerce isn't something that's come into the proceedings - Ron is barely covering the cost of materials and labour.

Lets just say he's not trying to make a fortune with what he's doing.

Okay, you guys may not like the fact Ron's calling this the Ultimate Enterprise but it's certainly a model that he's put a lot of love and attention into.

I get the feeling this thread would be just as vitriolic if Ron hadn't used the word 'ultimate' in conjunction with his Enterprise.
 
Marketing and commerce isn't something that's come into the proceedings - Ron is barely covering the cost of materials and labour.

Sure. It's not about margins or lack thereof. The product IS, however, being sold. I'm simply playing Devil's Advocate. A product is being sold. It's being billed as 'ultimate'. By every metric produced so far.... it's not 'ultimate'.

Lets just say he's not trying to make a fortune with what he's doing.

I don't think any of us here are really 'making a fortune' with what we do. Breaking even is often the best-case scenario!

Okay, you guys may not like the fact Ron's calling this the Ultimate Enterprise but it's certainly a model that he's put a lot of love and attention into.

Hell, I don't dispute that at all...

I get the feeling this thread would be just as vitriolic if Ron hadn't used the word 'ultimate' in conjunction with his Enterprise.

Well, speaking for myself, I'm leaving vitriol out of my opinion. This profession ( when one takes money for services or product rendered, that makes one a professional, IMO... regardless of margins. ) is about detail, quality and value for the money.

If these things are lacking, then it's reasonable to assume people will comment.
 
If these things are lacking, then it's reasonable to assume people will comment.

I think you have valid comments - everyone is entitled their opinions.

My problem is with the accusatory and personal remarks that I've read over the past few pages.
 
Okay, how's this, My 66" Enterprise project:

Hello, let me introduce myself, I'm Ron Shanko and I .....................

I tried to use all available information to make my replica as close as possible and I hope you like it.

You see, he came off saying things like Ultimate and how accurate it is. He even went as far a using age old rumors, that have been proven wrong, to shore up his claim. This is where the fan boy adage came in.

I may sound a bit bitter but it's not from jealousy. Trust me on that one. It's from the constant actions of people billing there project as the only one that is accurate and it's not.

Case and point: I'm doing a replica of the Cylon Base Star is Studio scale.
I had full access to the real deal and MANY parts of it that have gone missing over the years. The thing is an awesome piece of work but it is not symmetrical in any way though it was meant to be. MANY gaps and misaligned parts but it was never meant to be seen on anything but the TV. Mine has corrected for these issues. But do you see me billing it as the Ultimate Base Star? There are many replicas here that the makers have not thrown down such a claim as easily as they breath and then thumb there nose at the critiques while asking for there input and proof of there project. When it was made clear who we were and our project links were posted we got the ol' evasive maneuvers game going. Then you come in and cry foul because were being to heavy. You know, some people buy your line and spend a lot of hard earned cash for an " Ultimate " claim.
Try to understand some not so well informed people may spend the cash they don't really have just to have one of these based on the buy line.

If you can't get to that understanding then you are just out to scam for the cash. and you have no conscience in what you're advertising.

Ours was not done solely in SLA. There were MANY hand crafted parts as Jim laid out in his Modelers resource articles and build updates on his site. We used SLA to produce the smaller parts. SLA, CNC are tools to be used in this new age of building. They allow for a more accurate representation of the part.

If you have read anything you see people, including myself, are saying nice job and great to see another kit out there BUT you seem to target the negative lines and not the whole picture being painted. His stories and statement of facts are what were talking about. Even when asked to tone it done to be more truthful he just played dodge ball with us.

George was the only outward negative post of Ron's project. Seeing that he saw one up close and personal his assessment was harsh but none the less true from his experience with producing products and his first hand inspection of the kit being billed as the " Ultimate Enterprise ".

I ask again, what is wrong with changing your statements to reflect more fact then lore? Read the opening 3 lines of this post and then ask your self, did Ron have the right to assert his claims in this manor? Even after being corrected he was trying to shove it down our throats that his is worthy of his claim. Talk about stubborn pride and arrogance. Maybe he's so caught up with it he just can't let himself correct himself.

When you make a kit such as this you need to remember this one note, you have an obligation to the buyer. To produce and to deliver on what you advertise. When you advertise " Ultimate Enterprise " it tells the buyer yours is more accurate for this or that reason. Would you like to be known for a fraudulent claim? OR would you rather be known for making a kit that is affordable and easily assembled and that reflects your best efforts with what is available?

Again, thanks for not going the route of re casting ours to make yours.
Thank you again for showing us your endeavors.
Thank you for bringing yet another Enterprise to the table.
But no thanks for the misleading statements.



Mark
 
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Try to understand some not so well informed people may spend the cash they don't really have just to have one of these based on the buy line.

If you can't get to that understanding then you are just out to scam for the cash. and you have no conscience in what you're advertising.

Ron isn't out to scam anyone as the above comment implies - it just sounds like character assasination.

Calling Ron a scammer based on his usage of the word 'ultimate' seems a tad over the top.
 
Try reading an entire post. And understand it. Not just the part that excites you.

The legal term is bate and switch.

He bates you by his advertisement of ultimate which heavily implies very accurate also supported by his posting of research and info sources. He switches based on the fact his is not as it 's advertised.



Mark
 
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What ever happened to letting a person have pride in an achievement? Perfect or not, accurate or not, ultimate or not it is one hell of an undertaking and a fantastic build. I couldn't even fathom the amount of dedication it takes to make something from scratch which requires that much investment of time and love. I'm sorry, I normally stay away from crapfests like this because it borders on painful to read after a while but this is royally starting to aggrivate me. This is like reading the reviews for the movie "Shoot 'em Up" written by people that didn't understand the movie was a satire. The only other place I see deep seated competition like this is the politcal arena.
 
Hey Anson, did you read my post? It says " I just saw it in person this weekend!" There is no excuse for the quality of these casts. I dont care if it is "Utlimate" or "accurate". I commented on the casts. Ron, what do you have to say about that? You sculpted the master in your living room, who cares! Try and not casting in your toilet!
George
 
"Trolling is bad. " What the hell does that mean? I speak from years of casting expeirence. How about you?

George:unsure
 
I personally like it. I cannot say if its accurate or not, but it looks like a really nice build.

I have to agree with a few of you that this thread has really gone over the top.

Its one thing to give constructive critism, But things like saying your casting in the toilet. Well that is just rude, and childish.
 
He is only charging $500 for this thing. At 66" long?
These guys have no concept of profit or even breaking even.
All of the marketing in the world isn't going to help you here.

You guys want questions?
OK, here you go.

How many layers of fiberglass do you put on this model?
How are you going to keep the warp nacelles from drooping/warping over time?
Why did you make what appear to be ribs on the 2nd hull, when the original was smooth?
Could you please site what pics you used as a reference?
Was your first model hand painted, or is the rough surface an artifact of the master?
 
"Trolling is bad. " What the hell does that mean? I speak from years of casting expeirence. How about you?

George:unsure

This is from the Wikipedia.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET, with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

In answer to your second question I've been mould making, model making and casting for about 20 years.

You've only been a member here since August and you've already given us an insight in your wonderful charm and sense of humour.

Your 'toilet' quip was brilliant - what's it like being a twelve year old anyway?

I can barely remember.

Now I shall reacquaint myself with the forum user control panel and the Ignore user List feature.
 
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Hey guys, everything is relative. Perhaps Ron is simply prideful, and not having access to the stuff the JKey guys had means he believed his to be accurate?

Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. Ron chose to put his own spin on the ship, and to him, that made it the Ultimate. This isn't a for sale thread, it's a show off thread.
 
Anson, have you actually seen the kit? I believe you have not. I speak from first hand knowledge, you? 20yrs., hmm so you are the almighty god of resin then. Right? If you think Ron's kit is of a quality that is worthy of selling than I pity you. As far as being a new member, try again. I've been with the RPF since it's birth.
George:wacko
 
Hey Timeslip...Been around since the RPF's birth and don't know what trolling is? I think Anson is giving you more credit for mental capacity than you have. Oh, and great comeback BTW with "almighty god of resin" ...Great one. That take you long to come up with that gem?
 
Did someone say something?

Was it about toilets?

This ignore user feature is great!:lol

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Ron brush painted his ship and steel wooled it out. He wanted a hand built look to it.
I hope you are kidding, that's pointless.

I would like Ron to answer these questions not his lackeys.
How many layers of fiberglass do you put on this model?
How are you going to keep the warp nacelles from drooping/warping over time?
Why did you make what appear to be ribs on the 2nd hull, when the original was smooth?
Could you please site what pics you used as a reference?
Was your first model hand painted, or is the rough surface an artifact of the master?
After all it is his model, he said it's the best, then he should step up(with real answers, with out the nebulous statements).

AnsonJames casting for 20 years?
I have never seen any offerings from you. What are you known for?
I fact I've never heard of you.
 
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