Ultimate 66 inch Enterprise, RShanko

[USSCassiopeia]

Let me first off say this, I did tell Ron what J Key told me after he looked at the photos, I even posted it on my site word for word so all could see.

Not all - just members of your site.

Now if you really want to make a true TOS Enterprise then they are all wrong. The saucer was not 100% round and the left side was never finished and had wires haning out of it.:cry.

Both models? I thought only the 11 footer did.

I own over 400 kits, .

Good for you!

unless you can do as well or better, then there is no room to talk,

By that rationale, 80% of us shouldn't even post anything. Actually, guys who can and do do better have posted quite a bit here - they have all the room in the world to talk.

Ron posted pics and info about his kits. Fine. He invited comparisons with others and comments from members here. Fine.

People here responded in kind and Ron got upset. Moral of the story: Don't ask for something if you don't want it.

 

[AnsonJames]

People here responded in kind and Ron got upset. Moral of the story: Don't ask for something if you don't want it.

Could you point me to the post where Ron got upset?

I don't seem to be able to find it.

 

[MustangGTR1]

Not all - just members of your site.




Both models? I thought only the 11 footer did.




Good for you!



By that rationale, 80% of us shouldn't even post anything. Actually, guys who can and do do better have posted quite a bit here - they have all the room in the world to talk.

Ron posted pics and info about his kits. Fine. He invited comparisons with others and comments from members here. Fine.

People here responded in kind and Ron got upset. Moral of the story: Don't ask for something if you don't want it.

The 3 footer is even different from the 11 footer, so again both are wrong.:wacko
What I should say is, and to put it in a better way is this, dont jump on somebodies work if you cant do better your self. I never get critical of others work, do to the fact I know how hard it is to do this stuff.

As to my board and the post I made for J Key. I gave him an open invite to the board, when he looked at the pic's and knew it was not his I posted the reply on my board. The reason was this, Ron is a good friend of mine and very up front and besides all else it was between Ron, Jim and myself not the world at all. It was also started on my board as well and to the members there, they are the only ones that needed to read it....Kev :wacko

BTW: I guess I can count you out of my 1/650 Akria class..Kev :cry

 

[Commander Max]

Could you point me to the post where Ron got upset?

I don't seem to be able to find it.

You wont, since he stopped posting(when he was posting a lot). After Mark posted, on both threads.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=27581&page=7
It got to hot for him, so he ran out of the kitchen. So we can only assume he got upset. Or at least had his bubble popped.

But he is natural for question evasion. This exchange was on the Dewback Wing(ASAP)http://propreplicas.yuku.com/topic/15259 #5 & 6.

No disrespect as I'm sure this was a massive undertaking but I had a few questions.

- Why does the model have a texture that looks like it was made from paper mache? - All the pictures I've seen of the model showed a smooth surface but yours is different?

- It appears that many of the window cutouts are irregulary spaced and sized or is this a product of the camera?
- Where did you see pictures of green weathering? Especially noticiable where the nacelles mount to the main body?

As I said, no disrespect. Amazing model and I can tell much time and effort went into it.

Here is Ron's reply.

Great questions, and I hope you can discover those answers like I did, in wonderful research.

Please check out IDIC Enterprise pages for the complete history of the original starship.
Look at the story and the pix, and dig for photos, and you'll see the different colors too!

He never did answer the guys questions, I always thought that was the first thing in "Wonderful Research".

 

[Emeldahay]

The paper mache comment is accurate but could put a delicate nose out of joint.

If everytime someone looks in the pram you were told your child had a squint I bet it could ruffle feathers.

 

[RShanko]

I've been enjoying all your comments.
Many things that were said are untrue, ..and in no way do these remarks bare any weight.
The ones on the offensive are really the ones being defensive.

I share with all of you, all my love for star Trek, and try to produce items of intrest that are accurate and affordable, that makes it fun for everybody, to be able to afford and build neat projects.

I enjoy my hobbys, so much, that I couldn't care a less for any of the negitive stuff.

My starships have been well received. And they build fast and easy.
This was my goal, to build and offer the Ultimate Enterprise to my friends.
And I did.

Wait till you see the Ultimate 66 inch USS LEXINGTON NCC 1703 next to the USS ENTERPRISE!
I'm working on that right now. I'll get some great pix for you all to enjoy.
Take care my friends,
Thanks,
-Ron

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

I've been enjoying all your comments.
Many things that were said are untrue, ..and in no way do these remarks bare any weight.
The ones on the offensive are really the ones being defensive.

You crack me up. You throw down a gauntlet and then run from it and come back throwing Ultimate 66" again. You are beyond definition. Because to give you a definition would insult Webster's Dictionary.

In no way were we being defensive. We are being informative. You sir are a liar and cheat. To con people into believing you have the information to back your assertions. THAT is the true root to this argument. You come on here damn well knowing what you are saying in conjecture and a supposition at best. Lamens terms, lies all lies. You ask for us to put up or shut up. Well, we put up and you shut up and have yet to answer the hard questions or even offer up any reasons why you should be believed.

I'm glad your defense is " affordable kit " and I like the way you dodged the questions on the Dew Back boards. Now enters your friends who have a vested interest in your project. Talk about biased. I am speaking first had as is Jim Key. We and a few others that were deeply involved in our project went the extra mile to ensure our claim to accuracy. FYI, the original did NOT have a texture to it, Maybe you were reading the image compression distortion of the pictures. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm glad we can offer you amusment. Tell us, which statements are untrue and bare no weight? I can start one, The Ultimate 66" Enterprise for starters. But that is YOUR statement of fact.

Nice " affordable kit " but not accurate.



Mark

 

[MustangGTR1]

Not all - just members of your site.




Both models? I thought only the 11 footer did.




Good for you!



By that rationale, 80% of us shouldn't even post anything. Actually, guys who can and do do better have posted quite a bit here - they have all the room in the world to talk.

Ron posted pics and info about his kits. Fine. He invited comparisons with others and comments from members here. Fine.

People here responded in kind and Ron got upset. Moral of the story: Don't ask for something if you don't want it.

I've been enjoying all your comments.

Many things that were said are untrue, ..and in no way do these remarks bare any weight.
The ones on the offensive are really the ones being defensive.

You crack me up. You throw down a gauntlet and then run from it and come back throwing Ultimate 66" again. You are beyond definition. Because to give you a definition would insult Webster's Dictionary.

In no way were we being defensive. We are being informative. You sir are a liar and cheat. To con people into believing you have the information to back your assertions. THAT is the true root to this argument. You come on here damn well knowing what you are saying in conjecture and a supposition at best. Lamens terms, lies all lies. You ask for us to put up or shut up. Well, we put up and you shut up and have yet to answer the hard questions or even offer up any reasons why you should be believed.

I'm glad your defense is " affordable kit " and I like the way you dodged the questions on the Dew Back boards. Now enters your friends who have a vested interest in your project. Talk about biased. I am speaking first had as is Jim Key. We and a few others that were deeply involved in our project went the extra mile to ensure our claim to accuracy. FYI, the original did NOT have a texture to it, Maybe you were reading the image compression distortion of the pictures. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm glad we can offer you amusment. Tell us, which statements are untrue and bare no weight? I can start one, The Ultimate 66" Enterprise for starters. But that is YOUR statement of fact.

Nice " affordable kit " but not accurate.



Mark

Let me ask a question then. Why if it so off then did someone accuse me of making or having a recast?:eek Also if you are such an expert on the ship and know it so well, did you not see the difference to start with.
Ron, like myself do it for the enjoyment of the hobby, not the profit.
You said his friends came to his side because they all have a vested intrest. Not true. I put no money into the project at all and bought the kit myself. I stick by my friends, unlike many in this hobby.
Just remember, it is a hobby and all of thie stuff is just large and alot of time, over priced toys.:lol..Kev

 

[MustangGTR1]

Hey, look at it this way, MR didnt get it right , nor did AMT, Corga, or pretty much any other company that I know of. So he is in good company if true.Kev

 

[timeslip]

Well, just got back from a little get together and guess what was there. RShanko's E. I can tell you from first hand knowledge and with no side taking, it is a piece of CRAP! It looks like a blind monkey laid up the main fibre-glass parts. What the hell is with the panel lines on the hull? It looks like boiler plating. The clear resin parts have a texture to it that looks like ... hm, dog crap! I can not belive anyone would buy such an abortion. Ron, please refund everyone's money! Next time you want to show off your kits try using a higher res. picture. That way your poor misguided buyers know what they are paying for.

George

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

MR made logistical changes. To meld the 1:1 E with the smaller E that sat on Gene's desk. That was there choice and they made it. No secrets there. It was made clear that the 1/350th E they did was a cross of both since both were used. Or they would have to make a choice of which one to make and that would of been a critical choice. Since they are so close and have a few subtle difference I congratulate them on what they completed.

The statement made about being a knock off is irrelevant. Looking at the parts all laid out with VERY bad resolution the first impression of the parts breakdown was recast.

After looking into it it became night and day. Yours was inaccurate our is accurate. MANY tell tales of the ERTL kit. MANY fan boy errors.

Stand by your friend. But remember, your friend is lying and that makes you a liar as well.

We are industry professionals and I am only standing in on these threads because of the utter bull**** Ron is trying to sell.

Again, nice to see some one take the time to make another. Too bad he had to lie to get it done. And too bad he just can't change his tone, and yours to reflect the oops, I got my ass handed to me by people in the know and should change my attitude. Maybe they would be willing to help me fix my errors then. But like a bull in a china shop you won't be happy till the shops destroyed. Well, charge away.

And I was thinking, is it the master patterns that had that texture? Or are you painting those things with a paint brush. Prep makes all the difference in the finished product.




Mark

 

[Onigiri]

The only ones sounding like angry fanboys are you and your little posse. Take it from someone else who has worked in the industry and change YOUR tone before you start using words like professional.
This is my take:

Rons E. : Labor of love built with creativity and without shelling out thousands of dollars and using SLA, etc. SCULPTED by hand.

Your project: SLA with lots and lots of access to stuff nobody else has access to. Thousands of dollars.

Rons not the one with his knickers in a bind. I hear fanboy ranting and raving but its not from Rons camp. So, you keep talking about how professional you are take a page from your own book and start acting the part. Your behavior here as 'professionals' is far worse then the behavior Im seeing from the 'amateurs'.

MR made logistical changes. To meld the 1:1 E with the smaller E that sat on Gene's desk. That was there choice and they made it. No secrets there. It was made clear that the 1/350th E they did was a cross of both since both were used. Or they would have to make a choice of which one to make and that would of been a critical choice. Since they are so close and have a few subtle difference I congratulate them on what they completed.

The statement made about being a knock off is irrelevant. Looking at the parts all laid out with VERY bad resolution the first impression of the parts breakdown was recast.

After looking into it it became night and day. Yours was inaccurate our is accurate. MANY tell tales of the ERTL kit. MANY fan boy errors.

Stand by your friend. But remember, your friend is lying and that makes you a liar as well.

We are industry professionals and I am only standing in on these threads because of the utter bull**** Ron is trying to sell.

Again, nice to see some one take the time to make another. Too bad he had to lie to get it done. And too bad he just can't change his tone, and yours to reflect the oops, I got my ass handed to me by people in the know and should change my attitude. Maybe they would be willing to help me fix my errors then. But like a bull in a china shop you won't be happy till the shops destroyed. Well, charge away.

And I was thinking, is it the master patterns that had that texture? Or are you painting those things with a paint brush. Prep makes all the difference in the finished product.




Mark

 

[MustangGTR1]

Well as to the kit not 100% correct, for me that is fine. I have never built anything to match what I was seeing. When I get finished with mine it will have phaser banks, in the place they should have been. A grid line on top, also as it should have been, as with the rest of the ship. The inner sides of the engines will glow blue and the balls on the rear of the engines will be gone. I like to do things my own way, I never followed the crowd, and nobody can say much of anything to change my mind or ways.. I guess being an art and music major will have that effect on you.:love.
I look at this at what it is, a hobby, not life or death, but fun. As to calling me a liar, hey thats fine to, I been called worse and by people who really ment something to me. :cry
As to the kit being junk, not at all. I have built worse and better, but if you cant build or know something of building then it is not for you.

Am still enjoying this thread, but some folks may need to check there blood pressure tho.:lol

 

[MustangGTR1]

Did I forget to tell everyone how much I love this hobby..Kev :love

 

[Commander Max]

The funny thing is, by the time you get Ron's E into good shape, you would save money by buying one of Jim's.

Come on Ron answer some of these questions.
Your looking like a real fool here.

 

[RShanko]

Yeah,
Lets have fun together you guys.
:thumbsup

Think about ....
Warp engine theory.
Including the hypothisis that an untinted dome can produce a warp effect.

 

[Hand Solo]

I think this effort is inspired. The idea of saving people money noble.

However, I disagree with this version being called 'ultimate'.

It's just " Big. REALLY BIG! "

 

[Onigiri]

What questions is he supposed to answer? He sculpted the thing from foam...no high tech SLA....no access to the 'secret vaults'...he made this thing by hand and ingeniously and to some of us thats a LOT more 'ultimate' considering the comparison in resources. So sit back and tout and pout all you want but the fact is that Ron sculpted and built in his LIVING ROOM a 66" Enterprise by HAND and to me thats the difference between programming in some CAD dims to create a figure and SCULPTING a figure. To me what is ultimate about this is the results versus the resources. What was ultimate is a bunch of guys that loved this ship got together and co-operated to realize a dream project. Quite honestly those of us that DID participate and co-operate on this DO consider this the ultimate because WE did it TOGETHER. You sound like a bunch of whiney little weak egos who went from yelling recaster to yelling 'hey, ours is better!'
Well, guess what? To me, and a few others, yours ISNT better. Why? Because part of being better to US is having a part in MAKING it and I take greater joy in this hobby of CREATING something then I do in building somebody ELSE'S kit. So take your claims of LIAR and RECASTER and go grow a LIFE in your SLA...Ill provide you with the dims....from my secret vault of knowledge...
Talk about 'fanboys'...

 

[AnsonJames]

And I was thinking, is it the master patterns that had that texture? Or are you painting those things with a paint brush. Prep makes all the difference in the finished product.

Mark

Onigiri is correct - you guys do sound like angry fanboys.

Come on Ron answer some of these questions.
Your looking like a real fool here.

Also completely unnecessary.

Well, just got back from a little get together and guess what was there. RShanko's E. I can tell you from first hand knowledge and with no side taking, it is a piece of CRAP! It looks like a blind monkey laid up the main fibre-glass parts. What the hell is with the panel lines on the hull? It looks like boiler plating. The clear resin parts have a texture to it that looks like ... hm, dog crap! I can not belive anyone would buy such an abortion. Ron, please refund everyone's money! Next time you want to show off your kits try using a higher res. picture. That way your poor misguided buyers know what they are paying for.

George

10 Posts in and you're coming out with these sort of comments - nice.


Did you guys bully people in school?

 

[Hand Solo]

I don't think anyone here would argue that this project was one of great creativity and inginuity. I think the problem comes from a commerce and profit standpoint.

If this Enterprise is being billed as the 'ultimate' Enterprise, then doesn't it stand to reason that from a marketing and sales perspective, that the photographs, literature and build quality should live up to that billing? That a reasonable expectation of accuracy and attention to detail be assured? Isn't that what this profession is about?

The exchange of money changes everything. If this was simply for enjoyment and not commerce as well, then there would be plenty of praise for it.

Truth In Advertising....