Bigdaddy
Master Member
Well I'm not sure who Kitty is, but time travel rarely make a convoluted plot any better.
:lol I can see why the studio is choosing to put Wolverine in the spotlight, as your Simon quote shows good business logic.
The Wolverine (Post-release)
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:lol I can see why the studio is choosing to put Wolverine in the spotlight, as your Simon quote shows good business logic.Well I'm not sure who Kitty is, but time travel rarely make a convoluted plot any better.
Kitty Pryde is a mutant who, in the original comic "Days of Future Past" was the one who went back in time. Her character has been in the X-Men movies, but played by different actors until they finally settled with Ellen Page.
And in regards to your "good business logic" statement, would you consider First Class a failure since that film didn't let Wolverine be the main protagonist of the story?
Uh, not really when you consider that they're already changing how time travel works from the original story. If you're going to change it up, why not go all the way so that the character who was supposed to be the time traveller could still be the time traveller? It's not like the writers of previous X-Men follow ups and prequels held continuity sacred anyways. They've changed so much crap from movie to movie just to justify their own story that having them now talk about "Oh, that wouldn't work because that character isn't there" is nothing but filler. There IS NO OTHER CONTEXT when the first reason they give is he's the star of the franchise.
Yeah, business wise Hugh will put butts in seats, but don't bullcrap me about continuity issues when you yourself don't even hold it in high regard.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
A failure? Certainly not, I was completely entertained by it, and thought it was a well made film. I don't know what type of numbers the studios require to consider a film a "success/failure" but that is completely different than "opinion" by a movie goer. If it was up to me to convince a group of people to invest several hundred million dollars to a business venture (the next movie) I would not be as concerned with following a comic storyline with a mostly unknown character (to the general audience
)as I would be concerned with ensuring the movie was a financial success and provided a return to the investors."Business" decisions are not often in line with "art" decisions.
Sounds like an issue with continuity... Wonder why no one objected to including Moira MacTaggert into First Class when she was featured in Xmen Last Stand at the same age? Or Emma Frost being in her 20s in Xmen Origins yet looking a lot older 20 years earlier. What about Storm being seen as a young girl in the 60s and still be in her 20s-30s by the time the regular Xmen movies rolled along? Why doesn't Sabretooth recognize Logan in the first Xmen movie? How come Xavier can walk as Patrick Stewart when he lost his ability to walk in First Class? Why does Xavier say that Magneto helped him build Cerebro when that is clearly not the case? There are so many retcons within this one movie universe that I find the issue of sticking with continuity laughable and disingenuous. It's like they'll only stick with continuity as long as it benefits their leading male star. That's just stupid.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
All great examples of why I never became a fan of the series, but just take the movies one by one.
Crank729
Sr Member
I thought the next Wolverine/X-Men movie would be x-force? Listen Hugh, I love ya, but I can only take so much of you.
Hey, if you don't care one bit about quality or faithfulness to the source material, by all means don't raise an issue with anything. Some folks working in the industry do like to take chances that don't don't rely on "mass appeal" and "He's our main star!".
Robinson
Sr Member
Comic movies are never going g to be 100% faithful to the source material. I don't know why this deep into the genre people still complain about it. Yes the x movies have very big continuity issues, and from my understanding dofp is an attempt to reconcile as many as they can. Not everything will get fixed but that's the nature of the beast. And Logan is pretty much the star of any xbook he is in so why would it be any different in the movies?
fifthchamber
Sr Member
Entirely right.....While I like the stories being used for a movie, if it was exact along the line, the movie would lose a fair bit of the interest in development for me....I'd like to not be entirely sure about the ending while watching it...That, plus the fact that somethings just work better in books than on screen means that what they do, they do for a reason and I'm entirely ok with that...I'm not looking for 100% follow along story telling in the movies I watch...
Faithfulness to the characters is important, as are themes used and roles filled....But I'd like the story to be able to throw me still...And that requires invention, not rote-copying....In my opinion....
As for Kitty not being used, well, in the movies she's never been as well developed as Wolverine...They can't do it because they aren't released monthly for more years than I've been alive....And while I'd like to have seen a few of the other characters appear in X-Men over time, the ones they've chosen are obviously enough to tell a story that's interesting, developing, evolving, and different enough from the books to keep me (and other, less X-Men mad fans) interested....
It's a decent way to do it....
darthgordon
Sr Member
There's almost as much continuity in the comics... Perhaps not as bad as DC but still....
Riceball
Master Member
Here's another reason to break away from the original DoFP story and make it Logan who goes to the past instead of Kitty, everybody knows who Logan but as far as the movie franchise goes Kitty is pretty much an unknown. Think of it, she's never been featured prominently in any of the X movies, her role has, to date, been one step above a cameo for all the impact/role she's had in the movies so far. In fact, she's such a minor character in the movie franchise that, as you yourself have noted, they've recast her 2 or 3 times. What writer/director would put such a minor character that most movie goers have no idea who the hell they are? Why do that when you a tent pole character like Wolvie who's arguable the most popular characters in the (movie) X-verse and who's had 2 or 3 movies of his own.
