The Winter Soldier - Costume Research Thread

PearlJeremyJam said:
Hi folks - A heads up for those participating in this thread. Samurai169 aka Shane Brennen was fairly active in this thread in the past, having "worked" on a Winter Soldier costume. If looking for a commission, he is NOT the person you want to hire. Details can be found in the following thread. Just trying to spare others the runaround I went through:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/buyer-bewa...talk-no-delivery-229065/?highlight=Samurai169
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I would like to give a second opinion here as someone who also was involved in a transaction with shane. My dealings with this person went completely smoothly without a hitch. I paid half up front (for the harness and belt combo), and then the other half when he was ready to ship. I requested to have my items by halloween, and he did just so. I received more than what I was expecting and was extremely happy with the service and product, so much so that I am currently commissioning him for a second time (kneepads). I am sorry to hear that for some odd reason, at least one person had a sour transaction, but I can attest he is not a con artist or scammer.
 
Thank you freakster. I'm sure others can attest to my items and service. Jeremy has received his money back he would have received his items otherwise. I in no way am a scam artist or am out to screw anyone. He also in no way commissioned me off this site for these items.
 
samurai169 said:
Thank you freakster. I'm sure others can attest to my items and service. Jeremy has received his money back he would have received his items otherwise. I in no way am a scam artist or am out to screw anyone. He also in no way commissioned me off this site for these items.
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He speaks! I in no way commissioned you off this site? You sought me out after I posted inquiring about someone to commission a WS costume. I believe the post was on the Facebook RPF page. So yes, by extension, you were commissioned via your association with the RPF. What does that even matter though? You were hired for a job. You promised delivery. You were paid. You didn't deliver. You stopped communicating with me.

15/06/2014 14:46
Jeremy Miller
Hi Shane - Thanks for replying to my thread. I'm definitely on board with your approach. For this cosplay, I want to go as screen accurate as possible short of hiring the original costume designer. Heh. If you're going to make a cosplay, why not do it right the first time? Do you think this could be ready by Dragon*Con? I'm talking to people as far as Brazli and might outsource some of the pieces and parts so that one person isn't saddled with the complete commission.

Secondly, I know at least one other individual who had the exact same experience.

- They commissioned you to make costume pieces.
- You promised rapid turnaround.
- You missed the deadline.
- They didn't get their commission.

This is the expectation you set.

22/06/2014 22:27
Jeremy Miller
Nice. I take that as a good sign. So once the patterns are ready and bench tested, is fabrication/turn around fairly fast?
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22/06/2014 22:30
Shane Brennen
The arm literally a day. The belts metal pieces are nothing. The back shoulder belt will take a day. The knee pads a day. You get the idea. I do work fast once I'm happy with the patterns. My ironman the chest was a day the back two days because I ran out of steel. Etc.

That conversation began back in June. You proceeded to keep me "updated" on the build-out of my commission due at the end of August, which you said wouldn't be a problem because that was your deadline for your own costume. What was supposed to take "a few days" turned into months. You missed the deadline for Dragon*Con. I gave you a pass on that. I gave a second deadline for GMX in Nashville which you again said you'd be able to make without a problem. You stopped communicating in the lead up to GMX (and again promising for the hundredth time it would be ready). By this point, I was pretty tired of getting jerked around:

21/10/2014 07:40
Jeremy Miller
So nothing is ready is what you are saying and I won't have what I need for my convention.
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21/10/2014 10:07
Jeremy Miller
What did you ship?
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21/10/2014 10:07
Shane Brennen
No in fact the main belt is finished the back pack is almost finished the thigh holsters are finished. Knee pads need completion and arm. But I'm working back to back 12 hour shifts at work over the next two days. I had three other orders go out yesterday. I can ship to your hotel if need be or I can pay extra for express shipping.

Here is the quality "service" that I received after the above saying you were shipping to my hotel (which never happened). If you go through the chat history, you advised that you had started these pieces back in June. You were working on them along with your own costume. You even sent update photos. Yet, by October, the back pack suddenly wasn't finished, and the knee pads weren't finished. There were numerous times in the lead up where I asked for an update, and you would say, "It will definitely be finished by Tuesday. By next week. In five days." One would think this meant you were doing the work. But by the deadline, it suddenly wasn't finished. You stopped answering my messages yet you remained active on the RPF (and you ignored my messages through the RPF site).

21/10/2014 11:48
Jeremy Miller
Ship to:
Franklin Marriott Cool Springs c/o Jeremy Miller 700 Cool Springs Blvd Franklin, TN 37067
Please advise date shipped and be sure to include tracking information/insurance.
· 22 October

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22/10/2014 16:13
Jeremy Miller
Is the order on its way? I found a replacement arm in L.A. which shipped this morning. My replica knives shipped yesterday. My jacket, pants, and boots are being drive down Friday. Last pieces needed are coming from you.
Can you provide tracking number?
· 23 October

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23/10/2014 10:25
Jeremy Miller
So my convention is tomorrow. I'd like to know when the pieces to my costume are arriving.
· 23 October

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23/10/2014 22:52
Jeremy Miller
Leaving for GMX tomorrow. Need to know if you shipped the pieces I've paid for. Are you there?
· 24 October

24/10/2014 11:19
Jeremy Miller
I'm leaving today for con. Do I need to cancel my photo sessions anticipating Winter Soldier? Do I need to harass the hotel about receiving my shipment? Did you ship it? How many more emails do I have to send before I get a response? Is my commission even finished?
· 25 October

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25/10/2014 10:32
Jeremy Miller
I know you are active online. Stop avoiding my messages. Where is my commission?
· 27 October

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27/10/2014 00:33
Jeremy Miller
I've opened a claim in Paypal for failure to deliver purchased goods. You're not helping yourself by avoiding these messages. What you are doing constitutes fraud.
· Wednesday

How did I get my money back? I had to file a fraudulent claim on you with Paypal. I got my money back because you never even responded to that and Paypal sided with me! You had EVERY chance to make good on this, and all you did was drag it out. YOU stopped answering my emails when my second deadline loomed. YOU did NOT send the commission to my hotel as you had promised you were doing. You just ignored me. And continued to do so. And now only after I have called you out are you even speaking up. Not a single damn email. No apologies. Just a cowardly "unfriending" on facebook rather than owning up to your mistakes and being in the wrong. I did my part. You didn't give me a single indication I would ever receive what I paid for and because you continued to ignore me, I had no choice but to file a claim lest I never see a commission or get my money back. So be honest about what others can expect from you. You might get what you paid for if you're lucky. You might not, like myself and at least one other user on the RPF. Hopefully that person will be willing to chime in as well and share their experience. Paypal found in my favor because you were in the wrong. The point being is that when you promise a commission turnaround "in a matter of days" and still can't deliver a product over four months later, you shouldn't be offering commissions or you need to be honest about your turnaround.

Here's a link to the "quality service" I got from Shane for those who care to see...months of being strung along and nothing to show for it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B69C3D_ESxEoWDFKWWhCTTE3cEE/view?usp=sharing

So Shane, what are your excuses for not sending my commission (which you clearly stated above was finished except for the knee pads and arm which I cancelled because it was clear it wasn't going to happen)? Why did you not ship the finished pieces at all?
Why did you not contact me to let me know these items wouldn't be shipping to GMX?
Why did you never follow up after you missed the second major deadline?
Why did you ignore email after email while remaining active online?
Why did you not respond to the Paypal complaint I had to file?
Why did you promise that you could do this in a few days and you never came through?

Here's your chance publicly to state YOUR side, and if you need a reminder of the conversation history, you are welcome to reference the above link. You might say you aren't a scam artist or you're in no way out to screw anyone, but you certainly screwed me over.
 
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Flofx said:
This is the kind of project I won't be able to do anytime soon, but it would be good to know even then. Would anyone be able to identify the types of fabric used for the jacket in the car chase scene? I barely know anything about fabric, but I suspect at least the "shiny" part must be leather?
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The same pics in UHQ:
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Jeremey if you feel like posting history how about posting everything. I believe in the statement if you don't have anything nice don't say it at all. I went out of my way to help you. I only received a deposit from you I was willing to forgo shipping costs at my expense. In my last conversation you were told it would be s minimum of 2 days before I was ready to ship as I was working back to back 12 hour shifts. Part way into the second 12 hour shift you started harassing for tracking I was more than a little tired as I had just pulled almost a all nighter working on your order. Your order had items that I had not completed, started or found a permenant screen accurate solution for. you were informed of that. I had not started the knee pads to complete your order you were told this. The knee pads take two days to complete. Not 1 night. I am still working on a permenant solution to the knee pads. I think I have finally come up with something but I am still fighting trying to get something that not only looks proper but will not fall apart the first time it is used. It is kind of hard to ship something you are still working on. Everyone else that has paid a deposit has received there items and are very happy with them. You did not receive yours and you have every right to be mad and annoyed. I am sorry for not being able to complete your order for you.thank you for quoating a bunch of old emails. Not every email as I'm sure no one has time to read them all. You have received you deposit back I'm sure you would prefer the items.the rest of your order was completed and ready to ship so I now have a full set ready to go.
 
Shane made my belt and harness and went over and above the call of duty. Always answers my emails and got back promptly to any Q
Shipped express and EVEN TOOK AN ITEM back when I wasn't satisfied. He then remedied it and sent it back EXPRESS within a day.
I have nothing but good things to say about this seller and look forward to getting my knee pads when he is ready to make them.
One bad story - you can't please every customer.
 
Batfoo said:
How is everyone attaching their arm?
I have the 3 piece one by Gotham FX and am not sure how to secure it and what to wear underneath so it doesn't look like a sleeve underneath.
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I'm wondering this myself - does anyone else who's made the purchase of the Gotham arm have any suggestions/recommendations? It'll be hugely appreciated! It was first suggested to me that we could use a series of heavy-duty snaps to secure it to the jacket (which I got off Amazon - real leather - beautiful purchase, very highly recommend going that route if you need to!) but my friend was concerned that the leather wouldn't be able to sufficiently support it, and would tear. That right, do you think?

We've since been looking at a harness system, a series of straps to support it, running from the arm and securing around the chest....though figuring how to attach the straps to the inside rim of the arm itself, and keep them there, is proving a little difficult....the adhesive held on one strap, but not the other - not sure if it's down to the smooth texture of the inside of the arm, or what. Friend's next thought has been to use actual hardware, e.g. bolts and such, to attach the straps to the arm; I will admit I'm a little concerned and unsure about whether the arm itself will be able to handle that without, maybe, the risk of tearing?

Does anyone out there who's sussed all this out have any advice, suggestions - a successful step-by-step, to this end? As I said, the help is absolutely sincerely appreciated....since this is part of the costume which I think has caused me the greatest concern. Eeep!
 
Loki of Asgard said:
I'm wondering this myself - does anyone else who's made the purchase of the Gotham arm have any suggestions/recommendations? It'll be hugely appreciated! It was first suggested to me that we could use a series of heavy-duty snaps to secure it to the jacket (which I got off Amazon - real leather - beautiful purchase, very highly recommend going that route if you need to!) but my friend was concerned that the leather wouldn't be able to sufficiently support it, and would tear. That right, do you think?

We've since been looking at a harness system, a series of straps to support it, running from the arm and securing around the chest....though figuring how to attach the straps to the inside rim of the arm itself, and keep them there, is proving a little difficult....the adhesive held on one strap, but not the other - not sure if it's down to the smooth texture of the inside of the arm, or what. Friend's next thought has been to use actual hardware, e.g. bolts and such, to attach the straps to the arm; I will admit I'm a little concerned and unsure about whether the arm itself will be able to handle that without, maybe, the risk of tearing?

Does anyone out there who's sussed all this out have any advice, suggestions - a successful step-by-step, to this end? As I said, the help is absolutely sincerely appreciated....since this is part of the costume which I think has caused me the greatest concern. Eeep!
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As far as the snap method goes, you should be able to make that one work ok. The only hesitation I could see would be making the hardware adhere to the arm itself. I don't own this particular unit, so I couldn't make a guess on that. However, if the paint/finish/material will allow for it to stay firmly, I wouldn't worry about it ripping the leather if it is done properly. The most important thing would be to make sure you are dispersing the weight properly. You wouldn't want the whole thing supported by 4 snaps. That would certainly be too much tension. However, if you were to really load them up, perhaps in a series of 6-8 rings down the length of the arm, the weight would be distributed very efficiently.

I doubt the weight of the arm itself is significant enough to to warrant concern over it straining the shoulder seams of a well-sewn leather jacket. Also, keep in mind that when it is being worn, your arm is supporting that weight almost 100%. If you did go that route, it would likely be best to either remove the arm for storage or store horizontally.

Definitely let us know what you go with, though. I hope it works out!
 
I ended up using E6000 to secure 3" elastic straps and made a harness that wrapped around my torso.
Worked great
 
Awesome thread, i want to thank every body that put effort to this, now im gathering stuff to put my own ws cosplay, thanks ;)

also want to know, whos active and offering cast of the gerber yarii tanto knife? Or the handle cast, or if somebody has an original that can mold it, or let me borrow it to mold it that would be great, let me know, keep the great work
 
made007 said:
Awesome thread, i want to thank every body that put effort to this, now im gathering stuff to put my own ws cosplay, thanks ;)

also want to know, whos active and offering cast of the gerber yarii tanto knife? Or the handle cast, or if somebody has an original that can mold it, or let me borrow it to mold it that would be great, let me know, keep the great work
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found enough specs to build my own thanks :)
also you guys havent forgot about the little sphere grenade he uses when hes fighting natasha?
Thats a cool prop to have too
 
I was actually wondering about the mask fabric too. Someone linked to the site of the people that actually made the mask (and several other props) for the movie on my build thread, and I'm trying to figure it out and I can't seem to put my finger on it.

I did have an idea about how to make the mask without having to use the fabric. Perhaps using a neoprene ski mask as a base and then adding in the texture with a craft foam/worbla (or wonderflex) combination and the just painting it.

I figured the worbla would be able to give it the hard shell type parts and then the neoprene mask might make things a bit easier so that way you don't have to worry about trying to mold epa foam to fit around your face (Whichhhh I don't think is exactly safe because of the properties of the foam, but that's just me. I'm not entirely sure though.)

I'd love to actually use fabric for this but I just have no idea what this is. Although I swear I have seen it before, I just can't figure out where.
 
OKAY! So I just thought to ask my mom, who's a bit better at identifying fabric than I am. And I showed her the picture and she said it looks like a nylon type fabric. And after looking up swatches on google images I can confirm it is indeed a nylon type! Possibly Cordura.... but I tend to think it might not be that. I'm not sure. (I only found one picture that looked like the right type of weave that said it was Cordura swatches I'll put it down with the rest of the pictures.)

However! Till we find the exact weave pattern (it could be a custom so that might be difficult) Using a nylon fabric would definitely work. I did check Kevlar at first just to see, and when I compared it to the picture and then compared the nylon to the picture, the weave on the nylon is a lot closer.

Here's some swatch pictures I found also compared to the mask picture. (Sorry if some of these might be a bit big I'll try and link them so they're a bit smaller)

Here's the original mask picture from the movie just for reference:

captainthumb.jpg

And here's the different nylon swatches I found, I don't have labels for the specific types of fabric but if anybody does just feel free to shout it out.

PVC-Coated-Nylon-Fabric.jpg
This one says it's a PVC coated nylon fabric.
WaveGrade1.jpg
And these are the wave grade swatches I found of Cordura, like I said, I'm not entirely sure if the fabric is Cordura but it might be a good place to start.

Basically the nylon that would work well for this is backpack fabric from what I'm seeing. Not Ripstop because that's got a completely different weave to it, but something lightweight but still slightly heavy duty. Like the material used in my art portfolio I got for my art class.
 
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