The Ultimate Guide to Lightsabers eBook

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  1. SethS

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    The were multiple resin pulls from the V3. Given the nature of the stunt, the worn paint on the rings, and the fact the neck/emitter is bent, a lot of us assume this is a resin. The nipples could come or go easily, especially since they likely left the blade on for making the cast.

    We’ve debated the toss-saber and haven’t come to a definitive conclusion.
     
  2. halliwax

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    That nipple we see on Luke’s belt may not even be a nipple, could actually be a pour spout

    Don’t know how much I believe this, but it could be possible
     
  3. PoopaPapaPalps

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    The nipple-less resin one was also for the R2 air-cannon shot. Consensus agrees that it was sanded down to fit inside the gag R2.
     
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    @lukyanov Dooku is the one I wanted the most, and the dl44, but dooku! thank you these are all very appreciated!
     
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  5. Joek3rr

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    What can you guys tell me about the V3/ Shared Stunt? Do we have any ANH pictures of it?
     
  6. SethS

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    Everything I know and have is in the book!
     
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  7. Joek3rr

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    That's sad:cry

    I've been wondering if V3 was repainted for RotJ? I know it got repainted for the tours. But the paint job it sports in RotJ doesn't look like a leftover ANH paint job. Most notably it doesn't have any black paint or remnants of black paint on the "booster" section above the pommel. And the chrome tape around the clamp. It all makes me think that the V3 was intended to replace the V2 has the "hero" saber, but they decided to make it into the stunt saber. Add to that, that Yuma and later the Hero copy the basic paint scheme of the V3.
     
  8. SethS

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    This is pure speculation on my part, but booster aside, I do think it’s an ANH paint job. The V2 also has the copper/brass paint windvane. Most of the ANH pics we have of the Obi stunt sabers are of the V2, which you can spot by the lever. Not sure where the V3 was used, or if it was a back-up. It could have been used in the cantina scenes, no way to know.

    The holes in the clamp say to me that that part was used on an ESB Graflex stunt. While the V2 and V3 were retrofitted for ESB duelling, they used the set screw blade retention method not the allen head screws like the Graflex and MPP. Given our limited look at the lower bodies of Graflex stunts, I can't say this for sure— just a theory.

    I think onscreen the V3 has its original paintjob in ROTJ that was enhanced to match the hero when it went out on tour. The worn copper of the windvane you can spot in the duel seems similar to the V3.
     
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  9. halliwax

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    Watch the Vader fight scene closely.. u can still see black paint on that booster. There is a thread kicking around where I went scene by scene, the emitter still has a lot of black as well, and the neck is still brown/copper paint at this time


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  10. Joek3rr

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    Black paint of the V3? Went through Star Wars Screencaps last night and didn't see anything. There's like two good shots of that saber, and those are in SethS guide:D
    And looking at this picture

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    there doesn't appear to be any on the "booster" section.

    Now it's totally plausible that all the paint wore away. For instance, the V2 you can watch as it progressively loses more and more paint while filming. The deleted sandstorm scene, you can see it has quite a bit of paint. On the Emperor's chair, not so much. And when he catches it on the skiff, even less.
     
  11. halliwax

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    I’m telling ya, check out the duel scene on YouTube, star wars screen caps timing is off, U can see remnants of paint on the booster ;)


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  12. Joek3rr

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    Can you point me to a particular part? I'm gonna launch iTunes and watch it........................just the duel.................not the whole movie...........;)
     
  13. halliwax

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    I’ll be back on a pc Sunday. I believe it’s before he jumps the cat walk... I think there is a scene with the falcon and then it cuts to Vader and Luke.

    You have to look real good and slow mo pause it

    You can see a few small patches of black spots

    There is also some great pics of under the emitter and the neck

    During the Vader duel I swear there’s more black paint on the emitter then there is the V2 lol

    I was also under the impression this was a clamp-less v3...
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  14. Joek3rr

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    It could be the V3 considering it seems to use the basic dueling rod blade. Why couldn't it have been color?:angry One thing about the V3 is that even before it's repaint for the tours and such, it's got a fairly bright copper paint on the neck.
     
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    Hi Seth,


    I signed up for this website because I wanted to thank you for your awesome lightsaber ebook. I'm a Star Wars fan who's been looking for a lightsaber prop that I could display and your book has proven to be an invaluable resource for discerning the differences among the Graflex saber across the Star Wars films. I wanted as accurate a TFA/TLJ "hero" version hilt with the longer grips as I could find, and thanks to your book I was able to learn all the visible differences from ESB and ANH. Happy to say I found one at a fair price that I just love.

    On the other hand, your book has "ruined" the Disney Parks version of Rey's Lightsaber that I bought because now I can't unsee all the inaccuracies in their toy/replica-ish hilt. (How can the same company that has access to the original movie hilt put the control box at a 45 degree angle, place the circuit card upside down, and not go with a brass glass eye piece!? :facepalm ) But for the price, it's still a fun toy to have around the office and motivate my interns with. :p.

    Thanks again for all your time, effort, love, and hard work that obviously goes into your book. Can't wait for future editions to learn even more.
     
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  16. SethS

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    My Pleasure! And My apologies!
     
  17. Jediscum

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    Gonna throw these up for discussion. First one shows a pretty clean V3 (you can zoom in pretty far on this one when downloaded). Second shows what looks to be worn black paint on the emitter at least.
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  18. Joek3rr

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    Thanks for those pictures. I'm still not sold on the black paint on the emitter.:D

    I think the V3 may have been refurbished, possibly only partially. The reason I believe this, is the clean "booster" section, the bright copper paint on the neck. Whereas the V2 has remnants of black paint on it, and the copper/aged brass looks to have been added over the black. I know some think the V3 may have black paint on it. But to me it looks like it beat, and scuffed up, much like how the Yuma looked in its stunt form.
     
  19. SethS

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    I think the dust is settling on TLJ so Those new additions are done. I'm still holding though because there's rumors circulating about a potential lightsaber in Solo... so we shall see...
     
  20. halliwax

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    Is that rumor from the spoiler at a launch bay? I’ve been avoiding spoilers, and read there is a huge spoiler at the Florida launch bay


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  21. SethS

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    I saw people grumbling about that, but I missed the spoiler and can't seem to locate it now. I'm going off something Korbanth revealed in his latest email blast, which is something I heard whispers of a couple months ago.
     
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  22. Joek3rr

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    Well that just made Solo a 100 times more interesting:D
     
  23. halliwax

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    Exactly if true... now I gotta go check out this film...

    I got the korbanth email but had to miss it


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  24. halliwax

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    My friend and I have been building a e11 for him the past couple of nights. I got to talking about this spoiler... he spoiled me by telling me LOL

    It’s interesting.....

    I kinda hope not true


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  25. AnubisGuard

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    Okay, you have to tell now.

    Put in in spoiler tags. I must know.
     
  26. halliwax

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    PM sent


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  27. SethS

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    I can never get spoiler tags to work
     
  28. Joek3rr

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    How bad of a spoiler are we talking about? I may have to know as well:D
     
  29. halliwax

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    Heh.... it’s a spoiler but it’s one of those spoilers that I wish I didn’t hear because I don’t want this in the movie... plus it’s ANOTHER change to prop...


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  30. Joek3rr

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    Yep......okay.......I need to know now :$
     
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    Place it with spoiler tags please! It can't be that difficult :)
     
  32. SethS

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    Okay— be warned. Solo spoilers...

    Randy/Korbanth was told by somebody on the Solo crew that Vader has a cameo and that the saber on his belt is a new variation that basically looks like the MPP, but has Graflex bunny ears. In Randy’s latest newsletter there’s a render that’s his best-guess as to what that may look like.

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    This is driving me crazy now. Someone either post with spoiler tags or DM me?

    Edit: thanks Seth. I should've just waited one minute for you to post.
     
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    Regarding the emitter: Here is a closeup of the same shot. Definitely looks like black paint on the emitter to my eyes. [​IMG]


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  35. Joek3rr

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    could it this person be describing RotS style saber? It has silver bits on the back of the shroud that could be mistaken for "bunny ears"??
     
  36. Joek3rr

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    Are talking about the bit around the blade on the face of the emitter? The rest of the emitter so devoid of paint though:unsure
     
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    Oh yes, I assumed you meant face of emitter. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were looking at.


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  38. Joek3rr

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    Yeah that's what I'm talking about. I'm still not convinced that the V3 had remnants of black paint on the emitter, or the "booster". But it's hard to tell with black and white pictures.:(
     
  39. SethS

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    Possible. It all depends on how well-versed in saber lore the source is. It could all be bunk.
     
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    Today you can see black in the pitting on the emitter, and gold beneath the copper paint on the windvane. It sure was cleaned up
     
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    Oh wow! That's fugly :sick He're hoping that they go with it and we get to see some really screwed up saber. :lol I get tired of the pretty ones.
     
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    It's like they're purposely trying to ruin this movie on every level.
     
  43. AnubisGuard

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    I really have my doubts that the rumor is true.
     
  44. SethS

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    Would it be uglier than the ROTJ hero/stunt you think? I always thought it was hideous but at some point I started to like it!
     
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    I've got agree with Anakin Starkiller on this one. That saber is ugly! I used to think the Sidious saber was most ugly one, but I've become more fond of it. I'm still hoping that this new saber is the Revenge of the Sith style.
     
  46. Joek3rr

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    I've got a question for everyone.

    Which version of Luke's lightsaber does Lucasfilm consider canon? The book says that the Cave Build Hero is the one. And of course, the Creepy Uncle is based on that. But I noticed that starwars.com uses an image of the V2 and the new Battlefront series uses the V2. And a lot of the older games used the V3. Is there a definitive Luke saber?
     
  47. SethS

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    They used the ROTJ hero for ages. It’s only been since the they threw the V2 a bone with the MR replica that it got a little love. I love they chose it for Battlefront. The “official” lightsaber guide still shows the ROTJ version (it’s literally the knocked out image from the archives book). But that guide also shows the skinnyflex as the Skywalker saber.

    To be honest, I think they have a database of random images, and the art director for any given project just pics the one they like best.
     
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    This was stated in the book.

    "This saber is also used as the belt-hanger on ROTJ’s promoimages, while not actually seen on film."

    A really good one that I posted in another thread shows Vader ON set during filming with the hilt hanging from the belt. Why would the hilt not be there when the cameras were rolling to film the take needed for the film?!?!?! It was a promo photo but there is no evidence that it was taken long before or after filming. So I feel it is there with that one photo as solid proof.
     
  49. SethS

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    That’s been amended in the upcoming draft. I always knew it was there, but we’ve only got decent photos recenly that made it my way.

    But I’m not wrong— you don’t actually see it for more than a split second, and from a great distance, in the movie.
     
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    I'm not familiar with the book you are talking about. Could I get the full title?

    And I feel like the V3 was used alot for Luke's lightsaber. At least back in the late 80s and early 2000s. The first Hasbro lightsaber saber was based on the V3. It was used in Jedi Knight 2. And every lightsaber wielding hero in old Battlefront series used it. And it was used in the Visual Guides.
     

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