The OT stunt lightsaber blades research thread

Shorter blades are definitely remnants from ESB and RotJ era. Typically used to help track rotoscoping only and not for fencing. It's mentioned by Hamill on the 2004 documentary that it was when they realized it was "more trouble than it was worth," I'm assuming, to attach full blades just for light-to-no stunt work.

Any long tangs, in the context of these stunt hilts, were most likely spawned from the original function of the Obi-stunts: firstly, for the motorized stunt's d/s, and secondly, for the "static" V3 stunt. The Graffy stunts never needed them since most of the stuff was secured in the upper part of the flash. Evidence suggests that at least for ANH, between the square and round fencing dowels, the "blades" just sat on top of the nipple and likely slid over the exposed driveshaft.

Moving to recent first-hand accounts on seeing these things in-person from some fellow members here, it appears that later more robust stunt blades were made to do similarly; slide over and fasten to the tangs/driveshaft and were intentionally modular for practicality. From everything that's cropped up since, it looks like the stunt blades shared between ESB and RotJ were also shared between stunts depending on the situation. They swap from long to short, fat to skinny, grey-black to white. As Halliwax said, too many hands and lots of time passing between, it seems like a lot of trouble to try matching specific blades to any specific stunt as it looks like a lot of components also swapped with them.
 
Shorter blades are definitely remnants from ESB and RotJ era. Typically used to help track rotoscoping only and not for fencing. It's mentioned by Hamill on the 2004 documentary that it was when they realized it was "more trouble than it was worth," I'm assuming, to attach full blades just for light-to-no stunt work.

Any long tangs, in the context of these stunt hilts, were most likely spawned from the original function of the Obi-stunts: firstly, for the motorized stunt's d/s, and secondly, for the "static" V3 stunt. The Graffy stunts never needed them since most of the stuff was secured in the upper part of the flash. Evidence suggests that at least for ANH, between the square and round fencing dowels, the "blades" just sat on top of the nipple and likely slid over the exposed driveshaft.

Moving to recent first-hand accounts on seeing these things in-person from some fellow members here, it appears that later more robust stunt blades were made to do similarly; slide over and fasten to the tangs/driveshaft and were intentionally modular for practicality. From everything that's cropped up since, it looks like the stunt blades shared between ESB and RotJ were also shared between stunts depending on the situation. They swap from long to short, fat to skinny, grey-black to white. As Halliwax said, too many hands and lots of time passing between, it seems like a lot of trouble to try matching specific blades to any specific stunt as it looks like a lot of components also swapped with them.
I completely second that. To me it even looks like ANH stunt blades, most likely the ones made for Vader's stunt lightsaber, were used during ESB lightsaber duel rehearsals.
Vader ANH.jpgHamill ESB.jpg
Compared to the prequels, I'm pretty confident they used a fairly smaller number of stunt lightsaber blades during the production of the OT. There is only a handful of surviving stunt lightsaber blades from the OT in the archives, some of them are badly damaged - I really wonder why they kept those.
 
I've been following this thread with great interest! I've been hesitant to jump in up to now, but Thomas's pic of the short stunt blade peaked my interest. Wishful thinking maybe on my part, as I'm dying to get more info on the Yuma blade! It would be awesome to know that that's the Yuma blade, still safe and sound in the archives! I'd agree that the tang looks way too long though. I toyed with the idea that it could have broken off, and that the Yuma shaft went considerably deeper, but I'm doubtful that what I suspect to be steel rods would have snapped inside the emitter. The second grub screw (if that's what it is) did indicate that the blade *might* have gone a little deeper than is seen in some of the reference shots, but it's hard to say at what point it was filled in? Maybe it was drilled by mistake and never used?

Awesome detective work anyway. This is one of my favourite threats right now. :)

Thought I'd chime in with some of my measurements on the Yuma blade if anyone's interested....

Based on the few images we have, I've arrived at 54cm ( 21¼ inch).

Yuma Doc.jpg


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Yuma Doc 2.jpg



Nothing fancy about how I worked this out. I'm basically measuring in Yumas! :D

Yuma Blade length.jpg


The Yuma is roughly 29cm in length and 25cm to the start of the emitter.

I'd love to know if anyone has any more info on the Yuma blade specifically, as I'd like to source something eventually to complete my Yuma build!
 
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Sorry to intrude on this thread again... This seams like the best place to post this with the Yuma being an OT stunt.

I wasn't happy with the measurements I did yesterday, so I decided to take a more sophisticated approach...

It was bothering me that the blade used on the sail barge looked way shorter than the one on the skiff (and too short to be the 54cm that I'd worked out yesterday), so I decided to do some proper overlays to determine a more accurate length, and to check if the two blades were in fact different lengths.

My measurements were a little off! I now make the skiff blade to be more like 500mm. Incidentally, this is also the measurement that I arrive at using the measurement tools in Photoshop when cross referencing the Yuma length, as well as Hamill's height. The Blade used on the barge does appear to be considerably shorter at 333mm! I make the blade to be 12mm in diameter at the base.

Anyway, here are my overlays:

Yuma Overlay 01.jpg
Yuma Overlay 02.jpg


I did a more precise one of the barge image, just to be absolutely sure:

Yuma Overlay 03.jpg


If you look closely at each of these scenes, you can see that the blade appears to have a rounded end on the skiff, whereas on the barge scene, the end is a straight cut (or break). Maybe it was found to be too long, and modified during shooting? Or maybe it broke? Who knows?


I just wanted to correct my previous post and share my findings for anyone else that is wanting to replicate the Yuma blade.
 
Sorry to intrude on this thread again... This seams like the best place to post this with the Yuma being an OT stunt.

I wasn't happy with the measurements I did yesterday, so I decided to take a more sophisticated approach...

It was bothering me that the blade used on the sail barge looked way shorter than the one on the skiff (and too short to be the 54cm that I'd worked out yesterday), so I decided to do some proper overlays to determine a more accurate length, and to check if the two blades were in fact different lengths.

My measurements were a little off! I now make the skiff blade to be more like 500mm. Incidentally, this is also the measurement that I arrive at using the measurement tools in Photoshop when cross referencing the Yuma length, as well as Hamill's height. The Blade used on the barge does appear to be considerably shorter at 333mm! I make the blade to be 12mm in diameter at the base.

Anyway, here are my overlays:

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I did a more precise one of the barge image, just to be absolutely sure:

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If you look closely at each of these scenes, you can see that the blade appears to have a rounded end on the skiff, whereas on the barge scene, the end is a straight cut (or break). Maybe it was found to be too long, and modified during shooting? Or maybe it broke? Who knows?


I just wanted to correct my previous post and share my findings for anyone else that is wanting to replicate the Yuma blade.

Dude this is amazing!!
 
I was looking at this last night and thought that blade looked tiny.

Is it a matter of perspective?
It's partly down to perspective, yeah, but having played around in 3D, lining the model up with the photo, and adjusting the FOV to match the perspective on the hilt, it allows me to get a pretty accurate length. It's definitely shorter. Not much longer than the hilt at 333mm.
 
It's partly down to perspective, yeah, but having played around in 3D, lining the model up with the photo, and adjusting the FOV to match the perspective on the hilt, it allows me to get a pretty accurate length. It's definitely shorter. Not much longer than the hilt at 333mm.
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up! [emoji106]
 
Were you able to find if the blade on the sail barge was tapered? This is fascinating, the ROTJ blades in the throne room were very whippy and this looks nothing like those.

Now fiberglass at short length isnt very bendy...
 
Were you able to find if the blade on the sail barge was tapered? This is fascinating, the ROTJ blades in the throne room were very whippy and this looks nothing like those.

Now fiberglass at short length isnt very bendy...
It's funny you should say that. If there is a taper, it's VERY subtle! So much so, that it's none-existent on the barge shot.

I'm not seeing one here either:

Yuma Doc.jpg


I figured the base of the blade to be 12mm. If it's actually 12.7mm, that's half an inch. Black fiberglass tent poles are half an inch....

That's where my mind is taking me right now. :unsure:

I didn't put a taper on this one. That's the perspective, and it fits with the photo:

Yuma Overlay 03.jpg
 
Its really only 12 Ish mm? weeeirrdd. Good work
I was surprised too. I expected it to be the same diameter as the emitter nipple, but it seems not.

Looking at the close up one I did, it could maybe go a touch thicker, but not much. Maybe taking it to 1/2 inch? Which would make sense I guess. If I get chance today, I'll do one more to confirm. The upside down shot has a clear view of the attachment.
 
I just keep thinking of this picture when you're all discussing this particular blade/hilt. It's the best photo I know of but is always being overlooked. Looks very antenna-like to me at the base with that moulded in step up to the nipple. [BTS - on the skiff.)

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I just keep thinking of this picture when you're all discussing this particular blade/hilt. It's the best photo I know of but is always being overlooked. Looks very antenna-like to me at the base with that moulded in step up to the nipple. [BTS - on the skiff.)

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Hey Mouse, That's the one I'm talking about. If I get chance today, I'm going to do another comparison shot.

Could well be an antenna still. It was just the lack of taper (Or possible lack of taper) that had me thinking it could be something else. When I googled 12mm fiberglass rod, 12.7mm (1/2inch) tent poles kept springing up.

Speaking of the attachment, I had an interesting thought earlier. When modelling the grooves in the end of the nipple, I ran one of the reference photos through a few photoshop processes to get a template for the various grooves and ridges.

Emitter Pattern 2.png
Emitter Pattern 3.png


I thought at the time that they could be an indication of where the blade had been? Well, it just so happens that the inner groove is just over 12.7mm across! 13.2mm to be precise (so only half a mm out) Could it be that the inner part is the indentation created by the blade rocking back and forth, and the outer ring is the indentation created by the collar?

Anyway. I'll try to get another overlay made later using this:

Yuma Blade Thickness Ref.jpg
 
I always wondered about tent poles, but if they're made it fibreglass they splinter easily. Maybe they've got tape round them to prevent the splinters? If so the colour could be throwing us off the scent
 
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