The new Captain America??

Solo4114 said:
There is no way they won't do a period piece to start out...
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To be clear - I prefer the flashback origin story myself (really short) but in this case I don't mind the period piece if it starts that way, what I don't want it 80% of the film in the past.

Solo4114 said:
I wouldn't count on him being as beefy as that fan-made picture.
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That is why I would not have picked Chris, but I am hoping he has been beefing up and will keep doing so until filming.

Solo4114 said:
Plus, what's with all the doofy pouches everywhere?
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That is pretty much the costume established in Ultimates comic which seems to be much of the base for these new marvels films, it is the WW2 period piece he still wears currently. I prefer his classic costume myself...
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I definitely prefer the classic costume, too. I kind of get the pouches thing for WWII activity where he's using a gun, but not on the gloves. How the heck can you hold the shield effectively with a huge friggin' pouch on your glove, which, by the way, would also seriously unbalance your hands?
 
I prefer the Classic Costume too & I really hope they have both Bucky & The Red Skull in the Movie!

(Even if Bucky is only in the Film Briefly)

I'm kinda curious how they are going to make Chris Evans Thin and Frail like Steve Rogers Starts out...CGI, a Practical puppet, a real person with Evan's features superimposed over the actor's features...time will tell.
 
I like what they did with Sam Worthington's legs in avatar. They look atrophied and without muscle tone - very subtle effect.

Here the pre-Cap Steve Rogers would have to be a more dramatic effect, but they could do something similar to what they did with Tobey Maguire in the first Spider-man. Though that was only for one quick shot - here the back story would require a bit more of Evans before getting the Super Solder serum, so more challenging.

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I think that Cap's beefiness is less important than his presence. This is a guy who leads a god into battle, and will have to be able to stare down Sam Jackson.

I'm just not sure that I see that in Evans.
 
Very good point, Etheren.

More than muscles, Cap needs to command respect. I haven't seen Chris Evans do that in any film i've caught him in, but I suppose it's possible he could pull it off.

Like I said, originally I derided the first X-men film as "Oh right, X-men Motocross racers, huh?" but ended up loving it. I sincerely hope Evans can surprise me the same way.
 
Solo4114 said:
... Cap needs to command respect...
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I think that is a given, and is almost as much on the head of the writer as it is on Chris, but I also want muscles on him. He is both, the hight of physical perfection for a soldier and a great military leader - they are not mutuality exclusive.
 
KnightAsylum said:
I think that is a given, and is almost as much on the head of the writer as it is on Chris, but I also want muscles on him. He is both, the hight of physical perfection for a soldier and a great military leader - they are not mutuality exclusive.
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Oh, absolutely. But I'm willing to forgive physical imperfection (since Cap is basically a demi-god) in favor of a well-written, well-acted tale. I've not really been impressed with Marvel's home-grown films, Iron Man being the exception. That's largely due to the writing, though. For example, The Incredible Hulk was just...meh to me. Some of that's my own lack of enthusiasm for The Hulk as a character, but some of it was also because I just felt that the film was kind of weak overall. And that had Edward Norton -- one of the finest actors of the last 20 years -- at the head of the show.

Meanwhile, we have Chris Evans, who played an obnoxious ******* in one of the Teen Movie films or something, and an obnoxious ******* on fire in the two FF films. So, this makes me wary. Now, he could surprise me. He may simply have been cast in those other films based on looks and ability to act like a *******, without regard to further acting chops that he may or may not have. But he ain't in the same class as Norton or Downey or even Bale.

One of the main reasons why I think the successful superhero movies have been successful is that they have good actors in their roles. That's not always enough, obviously. Tobey Macguire is a decent actor but NOTHING could save Spiderman 3. Chris Evans, though...I haven't seen him be good in anything. Although I haven't seen Sunshine, and I hear he's alright in that.
 
KnightAsylum said:
I also want muscles on him. He is both, the hight of physical perfection for a soldier and a great military leader - they are not mutuality exclusive.
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I'm still not getting this argument. In real life, a guy at the peak of physical perfection would probably be about Evans size, maybe just a tad thicker. Some big musclebound oaf couldn't move well enough to be considered a super soldier. I would say that the majority of the Spartacus cast has what would classify as the proper physique for the role and they aren't much bigger than Evans.

That being said, I'm not thrilled with Evans as the choice either. Mostly because of what I've seen him in in the past. But who knows? Maybe he'll make us all proud.
 
Darth Mule said:
I'm still not getting this argument. In real life, a guy at the peak of physical perfection would probably be about Evans size, maybe just a tad thicker. ..
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In one last effort to at least better voice my opinion - Much like superhero costumes it is not always about realism it is about representing the look the character had in the source material that the film is based on.
Without debating if it was right or wrong most Traditional Superheroes have been drawn over the years a certain way. The males looking with medium class weightlifters (big but not too big to move much) and the females have large chests, unrealistically small waists and they all are perfectly handsome.

We are dealing with people and powers that do not exist in the real world, it is fantasy they are trying to ground in reality just a little bit. As such I want the best representation of what I have seen drawn for the last 70 years both in terms of costumes as well as appearance. Chris is not bad, but he needs to be bigger for me to think that is a great match.

** As a side note after more consideration I was thinking I wish they could use Mark Valley (who could also use a little more bulk for the role) in his case because his age makes him a better fit with the actors they cast as Iron Man and Hulk. I would prefer that they (especially those three) were all similar ages.

But then again I am sitting at home not making the film so I can't complain - I will just sit back, hope they do a good job and enjoy the flick.
 
SpankyMcJedi said:
Oh how I long for the days when the rule was "Only Bucky stays dead"...
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You mean, when the rule was "Only Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben stay dead." Now we're down to Uncle Ben. And I'm pretty sure they'll bring him back one way or the other, too.


Oh, and from looking up who Mark Valley is, he looks perfect for the part of an older Cap. Dunno if he can act, and they'd have problems with any ongoing franchise, but yeah, he'd have been perfect for a one-shot deal (or at most a 3-picture deal). Trouble is, I'm sure they're thinking in terms of long-term franchise possibilities (or at least 4 movies before the inevitable reboot), which means probably something like 8-10 years. Mark Valley today looks awesome. Mark Valley 10 years from now? Break out the digital enhancement team...
 
Touche. This is why I don't buy comics anymore. Also: upwards of $3 an issue made my habit unsustainable with a wife and kids.
 
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