The Marvels (2023)

[Astyanax]

We had this same debate in the Star Wars thread; I regret bringing it up here, so I apologize for that. I think both sides make a strong case, and it really does seem to be a philosophical difference of opinion. Either way, we have to be really careful not to judge individual people for what they like or dislike through the lens of either of these viewpoints. "If you don't agree with what I'm calling (or the consensus calls) good or bad, then you're not a true fan," is the kiss of gatekeeping. I feel that we need the diversity of opinion to help reinforce our own!

Captain Marvel or Rey Skywalker may be Mary-Sues (they are), but it warms my heart to see little girls inspired and dressed up as them!!

 

[Psab keel]

The "true fan" idea is utterly worthless in a discussion as far as I'm concerned. I absolutely agree with you on that. Deeming who is or isn't worthy (ie. gatekeeping) is stupid. Everyone is welcome in my book, even we don't agree.

I just enjoy good writing and being a writer myself, I enjoy breaking down what works and what doesn't, based on my study of the process.

 

[blewis17]

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Now THAT'S a low blow.

Cage REALLY needed the $$$ for that one.

 

[batguy]

Now THAT'S a low blow.

It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it.

 

[CB2001]

Now THAT'S a low blow.

 

[AJK001]

Since this is a thread about a movie, is there anyone who has actually seen it with comments about it?

 

[Psab keel]

You mean, this isn't my personal blog to spew hatred and complain about political issues?

What movie are we talking about again?

What time is dinner??

 

[Captain Dunsel]

The paths these threads take are hilarious.

What started out as a thread about an objectively disappointing and third rate Marvel film has evolved into a debate over art itself.

 

[joberg]

It's not about being good or bad, it's about being successful. There are metrics for determining successful. That's why we keep bringing up box office. Whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant to anyone but you.

You mean like McDonald? They make millions of dollars for edible food. Best quality food? Nope...but edible.
If I have to swallow "Edible Entertainment", that's where I draw the line. It seems that, lately, it's the case with many movies
And, yes, that has slid (I new it was coming sooner or later) about art and its universal beauty trying to reproduce Nature and Life.

 

[Cephus]

You mean like McDonald? They make millions of dollars for edible food. Best quality food? Nope...but edible.
If I have to swallow "Edible Entertainment", that's where I draw the line. It seems that, lately, it's the case with many movies
And, yes, that has slid (I new it was coming sooner or later) about art and its universal beauty trying to reproduce Nature and Life.

Which doesn't matter because McDonalds isn't going out of business any time soon. Hollywood might, based on recent performance. That's why Warner is in such trouble. That's why Disney is hemorraghing money. That's the reality that we live in, if your project doesn't make money, you run out of money to make other projects with. Sooner or later, either Hollywood changes or Hollywood goes belly up because what they're doing right now isn't working. You don't have to like that, but it is a fact nonetheless. That is a fact for any self-funded business on the planet. They need to make money and right now, they're not. Whether you individually enjoy their current output or not is irrelevant. You aren't paying their bills, that takes the collective good will of a lot of people who are willing to fork over cash to see them and the box office numbers show clearly, that isn't happening.

 

[Cephus]

The paths these threads take are hilarious.

What started out as a thread about an objectively disappointing and third rate Marvel film has evolved into a debate over art itself.

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The problem is, this isn't art. I know a lot of people would like to think that it is, but movies are a product. Artists need patrons or they starve. They need to pay their own bills and they need people who like their art enough to pay for them and in Hollywood right now, that's not happening. This isn't art, it's a business. Always has been and always will be.

 

[renaissance_man]

Since this is a thread about a movie, is there anyone who has actually seen it with comments about it?

I've tried many times to talk about the film, having seen it twice. It always just gets buried by the anti-Marvel/anti-Brie Larson posts.
The entertainment section of the RPF has taken a downslide in recent years.

 

[Don93]

Since this is a thread about a movie, is there anyone who has actually seen it with comments about it?

I saw it last weekend. I've seen every Marvel movie opening weekend and I've enjoyed them all to a varying extent. The Marvels wasn't the strongest entry but I certainly didn't hate it. For me, seeing a movie is a nice way to spend a few hours on a weekend.
I miss the days when theaters gave you ticket stubs, I have a large collection going back to the SE editions of Star Wars.

 

[yaris]

I wanted to see it, then I realised I hate everything Disney has made since buying Marvel and Star Wars.

So I watched Downton Abbey......again.....

 

[pengbuzz]

Which doesn't matter because McDonalds isn't going out of business any time soon. Hollywood might, based on recent performance. That's why Warner is in such trouble. That's why Disney is hemorraghing money. That's the reality that we live in, if your project doesn't make money, you run out of money to make other projects with. Sooner or later, either Hollywood changes or Hollywood goes belly up because what they're doing right now isn't working. You don't have to like that, but it is a fact nonetheless. That is a fact for any self-funded business on the planet. They need to make money and right now, they're not. Whether you individually enjoy their current output or not is irrelevant. You aren't paying their bills, that takes the collective good will of a lot of people who are willing to fork over cash to see them and the box office numbers show clearly, that isn't happening.

In short: their product is not good and is creating no revenue for them to make more product, because no one will purchase it due to the lack of quality.

 

[VanPersie]

Since this is a thread about a movie, is there anyone who has actually seen it with comments about it?

Don't be silly, where else are people
who hate Disney, have no interest in this film etc, supposed to go and tell everyone that they hate Disney
and have no interest in this film? It doesn't matter that it's more tedious and repetitive than a vegan Jehovah's Witness....

The paths these threads take are hilarious.

What started out as a thread about an objectively disappointing and third rate Marvel film has evolved into a debate over art itself.

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Every single one morphs into the exact same thread as the many dozens of others, with the same tired arguments from the same people.

 

[Psab keel]

"Where's my applesauce?????!!"

 

[Cephus]

Don't be silly, where else are people
who hate Disney, have no interest in this film etc, supposed to go and tell everyone that they hate Disney
and have no interest in this film? It doesn't matter that it's more tedious and repetitive than a vegan Jehovah's Witness....

Every single one morphs into the exact same thread as the many dozens of others, with the same tired arguments from the same people.

We do have an interest in film. We're just not being simplistic and relying only on "but I like it!" We actually can have a conversation about the objective merits of a movie and measure how successfully or unsuccessfully it accomplished it's mission. Some people just want to be simplistic and emotional in their evaluation.

 

[wayouteast]

Since this is a thread about a movie, is there anyone who has actually seen it with comments about it?

Yes, I went to see it yesterday with a friend, and we both enjoyed it very much. In my opinion, it's not in the very highest tier of Marvel movies but it's certainly up there with many of the better ones. It's terrifically entertaining and the three leads are really excellent, Iman Vellani in particular being outstanding, and they all seem to be having enormous fun. The contrast between the superheroics and ordinary life is done very well in the scenes with Kamala's family. And there are flerkins!

If I had a criticism, it's that the main antagonist is a little under-developed givenwho she is, but it's a minor criticism and there's plenty of jeopardy and suspense to be had.

You definitely need to wait for the in-credits scenes!

I liked the original Captain Marvel movie a lot, and Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel is one of my favourite MCU characters. This is a very satisfying sequel to that movie and continues her development, as well as a great continuation of various plotlines set up in the Wandavision and Ms Marvel TV shows. I'd very much like to see more of these characters, and this team-up, in the future.

For that reason, I think it's a shame that the movie been met with what seems an altogether disproportionate amount of negativity on social media, the more so since so much of that negativity seems to be from people who a) haven't seen the film and b) seem unable to allow others to enjoy it without making personal attacks on their motives, intelligence or taste. The unwarranted and sometimes disturbing attacks on the film's cast and crew are unpleasant too.

I rather miss the days when it was the norm for people to accept that tastes differ and other people should be allowed to simply enjoy things without needing to denigrate ar diminish that enjoyment. I think a decade of social media has horribly damaged some people's ability to carry on civil interaction. I'm just getting old I guess.

 

[renaissance_man]

Thankfully the trolls and twerps who have been hate posting and gloating over the film's box office will be enraged again to learn that Carol/Captain Marvel will return to an MCU project and Brie Larson knows which one it will be.
I'm delighted.
I enjoyed both Captain Marvel and The Marvels, both were fantastic space adventures with great musical scores and soundtracks and Carol's, Monica's and Kamala's characters are all developing and growing nicely so it's great to know that despite the hateful, albeit very vocal, minority of idiots online, the character has an ongoing future in the MCU.

Here's the article confirming Carol's return.
Captain Marvel will return!

As the late, great Stan Lee would say, "Excelsior"!