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T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
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Too Much Garlic
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That endo's feet doesn't even have screw heads on there. The feet may have been replaced? Or the screw heads added by LFS or when the T2:3D storefront endos where made.
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T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
Cool. Interesting. Didn't know that. Do you have any pictures of the knees on both legs as I'm trying to figure out the groove patterns at the front where the T2 knee cap is obscuring the detail on my casting?
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I don’t see clear pairs of dots in any of those photos you just linked too. I looked over every image with feet in these 99 RPF pages last night, and searched all my personal ref. Hoping you can show me what you mean though.The yellow castings looks like they have them on every toe, except the big toe
T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
Don't understand why I didn't see it before. It's clear as day in these pictures:
-Dana
I agree that those feet differ substantially from all SWS feet used in production. I think that those feet were made to complete that Endoskeleton and NOT original. And likely were the basis for the replicas including what we have from LFS. Someone added some fake screw heads and the funky round nuts on top of the weird feet design.That endo's feet doesn't even have screw heads on there. The feet may have been replaced?
T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
Cool. Interesting. Didn't know that. Do you have any pictures of the knees on both legs as I'm trying to figure out the groove patterns at the front where the T2 knee cap is obscuring the detail on my casting?
-Dana
Too Much Garlic
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Well, they are hard to see on such a small picture and they may be tricks of smudges or small picture artifacts. It just looks like there are remnants of the double eyes on the encircled ones.
But even if they are not those, they definitely look different than the Allen screws on the big toe.
Though... it also begs the question if this is even a casting off an original... so might be disregarded. It just has the movie pistons. I'd love to get a casting like that.
But even if they are not those, they definitely look different than the Allen screws on the big toe.
Though... it also begs the question if this is even a casting off an original... so might be disregarded. It just has the movie pistons. I'd love to get a casting like that.
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Too Much Garlic
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But seeing as we know the T1 lower arms at Bob Burns has similar kind of filling... could these kinds of cast feet be for the same blow-up endo?
Too Much Garlic
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They could also just have filled in the hole on the Allen screws except on the big toe to ease molding and casting, so they may just be different Allen screws?
I just see seam lines from the mold.
I believe the original feet used hex head screws all over the feet. They may have been specialty "shoulder screws" or perhaps... what I think they did was take standard 1/4-20 socket head hex screws, and turn them on a lathe to lower their profile so the toes could fit closer together and they added a chamfer (bevel) to the edge. What you would get is a very shallow hex impression like you see below. Or they could have custom machined them from scratch too.
More importantly, I think that the Frankenstein Endoskeleton in Seattle Washington, at the MoPop (formerly EMP) just may have the original T1 feet on it. Compare the images below. I just remembered that I forgot to catalog these photos I took of the Endo feet back in 2023 when I was up there. I just couldn't stop looking at the feet and knew I wanted to compare them later. I forgot until now. And to me, SO many things match that I can't imagine these not being the T1 Hero feet (what remains of them today anyway). I'm sure they got used in T2 as well. AXL - The endoskeleton that stomps the skull in the opening - seems to have feet that match a lot of the hardware on these feet too. Like the ankle universal joints match on him! And that's rare for any endoskeleton to have universal joints match the ones from T1.
Ok, I'll let you absorb that. Can't wait to discuss more. Enjoy!
-Dana
More importantly, I think that the Frankenstein Endoskeleton in Seattle Washington, at the MoPop (formerly EMP) just may have the original T1 feet on it. Compare the images below. I just remembered that I forgot to catalog these photos I took of the Endo feet back in 2023 when I was up there. I just couldn't stop looking at the feet and knew I wanted to compare them later. I forgot until now. And to me, SO many things match that I can't imagine these not being the T1 Hero feet (what remains of them today anyway). I'm sure they got used in T2 as well. AXL - The endoskeleton that stomps the skull in the opening - seems to have feet that match a lot of the hardware on these feet too. Like the ankle universal joints match on him! And that's rare for any endoskeleton to have universal joints match the ones from T1.
Ok, I'll let you absorb that. Can't wait to discuss more. Enjoy!
-Dana
Too Much Garlic
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Cool. Yeah, Stan Winston said they used the T1 feet or legs for the stompings scene because they were metal.
Which display is this endo with those feet at the EMP? Is that the same museum that holds this T1 skull?
Which display is this endo with those feet at the EMP? Is that the same museum that holds this T1 skull?
Too Much Garlic
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Man. They really did break the smallest bottom pistons and some of the other ones. You can even see them bend in T2.
Though, those top pistons are functional... cool.
Though, those top pistons are functional... cool.
Yes, they are both at the same museum. That head is now on display laying on its side. It's just to the right of the full endoskeleton (this is not my image below):
-Dana
I think those lower ones were welded to the bottom toe pistons and the heel. Looks like they were cut off the feet with a tool. Strange to leave the very ends of the tubes on the heel like that but they look intentionally cut to me.
Oh yes, they flex on the T2 skull stomp if you frame step. There's some flex you can see in T1 in the scene where he limps out of the fire in the foot closeups.
-Dana
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Yeah, it is a disgrace they are displaying the skull like that. Disrespectful and potentially harmful.
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I have looked at that endo for a long time. Didn't notice the feet. Also, didn't Profile in History sell it as a SWS personal display piece once?
Or am I confusing it with another auction piece?
Or am I confusing it with another auction piece?
That's a different one. And I also ignored the feet on this one until recently.
Too Much Garlic
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Yeah. I mistook it. Though, it was sold originally as the T3 concept piece, according to this site.
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The PIH catalogues are posted in the production made section, though, it's too late here for me to go find the actual PIH catalogue page.
And yeah, DeltaDesignRus showed it was the close-up skull in T1 when it was looking around in the factory, and I wondered if the picture of the skull you posted once was the same skull, so glad we are on the same page with this.
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The PIH catalogues are posted in the production made section, though, it's too late here for me to go find the actual PIH catalogue page.
And yeah, DeltaDesignRus showed it was the close-up skull in T1 when it was looking around in the factory, and I wondered if the picture of the skull you posted once was the same skull, so glad we are on the same page with this.
This picture posted by ghostman had me over the moon! I believe this is the T1 Endoskeleton around the time they refurbished it for the T2 Teaser Trailer:
Seeing the date on the "Makita" poster in the back upper left say "1990" was nice. So was seeing the small scale Alien Queen in the back (has to be post 1984 and likely post 1986) And, the T800 Prosthetic on the Arnold bust is going to be for T2 since the damage is on that side of his face in that movie
. So I was pretty confident that's why this guy was looking fresh. That's gotta be the EMP skull right there.
-Dana
Seeing the date on the "Makita" poster in the back upper left say "1990" was nice. So was seeing the small scale Alien Queen in the back (has to be post 1984 and likely post 1986) And, the T800 Prosthetic on the Arnold bust is going to be for T2 since the damage is on that side of his face in that movie
. So I was pretty confident that's why this guy was looking fresh. That's gotta be the EMP skull right there.-Dana
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Found some new pictures I haven't seen before from one of the PIH auctions on these pages:
www.flickriver.com
www.originalprop.com
Profiles in History Visit - Terminator - a photo on Flickriver
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