T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread

[Too Much Garlic]

Though. It's clear all the screw heads are hex screws. Like this kind.

 

[QuartZ]

I have some more tweaks to do on that toe. Spent some time today on the heel area though. As for the screws, I don’t think those are the kind of hex head screws used. I seriously think they may have custom cut them down and beveled the edges. I have never seen screws where the hex socket was so shallow. They seem like the hex key/tool would barely have anything to grab for torque.

-Dana

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Yeah, they definitely ground down the tip, that much is clear, but I think they started out like something similar to what I posted.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I just noticed... the finger sections are not straight. The knuckle ends are rotated a bit on the rods. I checked it against real props and it seems to check out. The parts are deliberately not made as straight parts.

It's gonna make things so much more difficult for me.

It should look more like this - unless I'm seeing things wrong on the reference which seems to match the LFS castings in this regard. I just did one side for now. Seems the other side also angles the knuckle bits. So frustrating.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Am I really seeing this right? It makes no sense to have them be angled like that when they are machined... so is it just because they all got bent the same way afterwards? Which also doesn't make sense. Or... am I just imagining this?

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I will save the current progress because I was dumb enough not to save it last time, so all the work I did then is gone. Then I'll take a break, because I need input from others to determine how to move forward.

Maybe the machined ones were straight, but because SWS cast their parts in that soft material they did their endos in... it could have resulted in the bends in the parts, that are then carried over into all subsequent castings

 

[QuartZ]

Yeah, they definitely ground down the tip, that much is clear, but I think they started out like something similar to what I posted.

That could be!

 

[QuartZ]

As for the fingers, what ref are you looking at? Got an example so we can see which tier of hands your referencing?

Many of the endos had urethane hands that had flexibility and they are bent and warped to hell. Never seen straight fingers on those.

For example, this is NOT a rigid, metal, hero hand:

This is an example of what the hero puppet hands looked like (some of the hardware on this one seems to be different, but most of the machined parts look to be the hero version):

Almost everything about these fingers is different from the other hands, the LFS or Icons hands seem to be scratch built and based on the mid/low tier endoskeleton urethane rubber hands (which in all fairness is what's on most of the full body endoskeletons in the film) so in a way it is accurate. But if you're going for these hero hands, it's a WHOLE different ballgame of complexity as far as the shapes go.

-Dana

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Here was the Profiles in History Auction Catalogue page I mentioned regarding the EMP endo:

Looking straight, but hard to tell:
2018-09-20 - Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Lot 545

Looks bent in some shots and straight in others:
2020-08-26-27 - Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Lot 795

This hand was on the endo before it was finished with new parts and it has the SWS kind of casting material.
2021-11-09-11 - Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Lot 378

Metal arm, but looks like it has angled knuckles in some spots. Though, it looks like it was cast and not machined, so that can explain it, if the source was wonky.
2022-11-03 - Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction - Lot 420

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I think I should just go with straight. Seems the most logical. There are so many different looks to these details on the hands...

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Updated post #2029 with auction lot numbers and years. The dates are done by year, month and day, as that is better to sort things that way for me.

 

[QuartZ]

Here's the model I finished a few years ago. I must have spent a 1000 hours working on this, getting it as close as I could and matching it to the pose of the "Vault Arm" to see if I had all the proportions correct. I drove myself mad on this complex piece. Without solid-based parametric modelling like Fusion, the ability to pull in real world screws/nuts from McMaster, and versioning of hundreds of parts in an assembly file... I would have drove off a cliff.

So, good luck TMG!

-Dana

 

[QuartZ]

All those examples you showed are essentially STUNT hands. All are castings, none were metal (except the lot 420 which seems to use metal castings of the stunt hands), and none were the hero design with all the extra rounded corners, variable width bevels, etc. I hope that helps.

-Dana

 

[Too Much Garlic]

That hero arm is something else. I wondered what ref you were using to get those curved bottom corners on the knuckles. Hadn't seen that before. And man... I don't think I can even match that. Got more shots of your modeled T2 hands?

What would be cool is to pose your T1 arm in that Cyberdyne Vault pose.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I just wanted to model hands so we had solid ones on the 1:6 scale piece we plan to make.

The scanner I could afford just couldn't handle the small details on the LFS fingers.

 

[QuartZ]

That hero arm is something else. I wondered what ref you were using to get those curved bottom corners on the knuckles. Hadn't seen that before. And man... I don't think I can even match that. Got more shots of your modeled T2 hands?

What would be cool is to pose your T1 arm in that Cyberdyne Vault pose.

“I have detailed files”
I could take some more shots and post them later. I could also pose the T1 hand that way, I haven’t tried that before.

I gotta stay focused on the feet right now.

-Dana

 

[QuartZ]

That hero arm is something else. I wondered what ref you were using to get those curved bottom corners on the knuckles. Hadn't seen that before. And man... I don't think I can even match that. Got more shots of your modeled T2 hands?

What would be cool is to pose your T1 arm in that Cyberdyne Vault pose.

I think I mentioned it before, but the Endoskeleton on display at Lightstorm also has hero style hands. Of all the parts on this particular endo, these arms and hands might be what was on the AXL endo in the opening scene of T2. I only say that because they are metal hero versions, and have welds in the wrists/elbows/arms that make it possible to support the weight of the gun in this pose (the gun also has a special mount on the magazine (not pictured here) that attaches it to the forearm for additional support.

I could be wrong, but they make claims that this is the endoskeleton that stepped on the skull, but I don't think most of the parts on the body match.

-Dana

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Maybe the intro endo has parts split into the Lightstorm and EMP endo.

The Lightstorm rifle doesn't look like the screen matched rifle sold by Propstore.

TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (1991) - Screen-Matched M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle

pAn M95A1 Phased Plasma rifle from James Camerons sci-fi action sequel Terminator 2 Judgment Day. The Terminators of the Future War and their human Resistance opponents used plasma rifles when the fully-grown Resistance leader John Connor (Michael Edwards) led the final assault against Skynet...

propstore.com

Having just commissioned a 3D model of that hero rifle... the movie made rifles do not have the Calico insert as seen on the Lightstorm and fanmade and licensed props, from what I found..

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Those Lighstorm hands look nice and clean and sharp. I should use those as reference.

 

[QuartZ]

Having just commissioned a 3D model of that hero rifle... the movie made rifles do not have the Calico insert as seen on the Lightstorm and fanmade and licensed props, from what I found..

I'm confused by this statement about the Calico. The full scale Endoskeletons in the opening scene of T2 all seem to have Pulse Rifles that feature a Calico style grip and trigger guard. So does the Lightstorm Endo.

Could you clarify what you meant?

-Dana