SW Ep. III ROTS "Broken Heart" Theory

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  1. DARTH ANIBAL

    DARTH ANIBAL Well-Known Member

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    I can do without the prequels, but I'll admit that ROTS was the strongest of the 3. I found this theory interesting, in that it doesn't rely so much on headcanon, and cites the actual events of the movie. I always saw the symbolism in Vader being "born", as Padme was dying, but I never went as far as putting some of these points together and considering that he lived because she died. While I don't believe Lucas was writing this conclusion with that much depth in mind, it works for me, and makes this ending more palatable, with the added bonus of lending a bit of weight to the whole, "You don't know the power of the Dark Side. I MUST obey my master."

    http://www.retrozap.com/padme-didnt-...-broken-heart/

     
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  2. Laspector

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    Interesting. Never thought of it that way. Does make more sense than a broken heart.
     
  3. Monkey67

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    She died cause her babies took her strength and energy. Her body was damaged from the attack and stress of all the crap that web down. So the body gave / pushed its life to support the babies. This way they would survive and not be a miscarriage. It's the crazy way a parent can lift a car up to get their child out from under it. The body reacts in a way to do what ever it needs to save what is at danger. The parent can't explain it and science says its a rush to push the body beyond it's limits to preserve something greater than then their own life / body. Sadly it cause her body to give up its life to produce 2..the twins.


    paletine was smiling cause once he knew she was dead. Their was nothing left in vaders life to stop him emotionally. So he just got himself what he always wanted. The most powerful Jedi / sith killing machine with no compassion and full of anger / revenge for those that took / denied him is love ones. How did he know she was dead? Spies man, the old dude had enough ppl all over to place to fed him info.
     
  4. firesprite

    firesprite Master Member

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    Spies who didn't tell him that two Jedi were there and which ship they left on? Pretty bad spies, if you ask me...

    I clicked the link ready to roll my eyes hard enough to hurt myself, but the author actually makes some pretty interesting points. Out of the prequels, I agree that Sith is the strongest story-wise. I'll need to give it another watch and see how well this theory fits.
     
  5. Wes R

    Wes R Legendary Member

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    I always thought it was damage from the force choke not the silly broken heart stuff. This is an interesting theory though.
     
  6. Laspector

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    Well, let's see. She was choked for a few seconds and found out her husband was a murderer. Granted that's a lot for a pregnant woman to deal with, but let's have some mothers chime in. I'm sure there are many women in this world who have gone through a whole lot more during pregnancy and still delivered healthy children and lived to tell the tale.
     
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  7. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Well ya. A stubbed toe makes more sense than that! :lol
     
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  8. Dr Tumbo

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    Always makes me think of this



    But that theory is actually pretty good
     
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  9. Sluis Van Shipyards

    Sluis Van Shipyards Master Member

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    It's interesting, but I doubt there's any Force power that can siphon someone's life force way across the galaxy. Besides there's real world evidence that you can actually die from a broken heart. Of course those people are usually elderly. I think they should have had Anakin Force choke her way longer so it would have made more sense that she had major physical damage. That or maybe instead throw her across the room in anger instead of choking.
     
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  10. batguy

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    I actually like this too.


    It's already a good theory. But IMO the author hasn't even thought big enough yet.

    The "broken heart" bit never smelled quite right to me for the simple reason that Palpatine NEEDED to get rid of Padme. From his viewpoint she's a major bad (good) influence on Anakin. She & the kids are the strongest force pulling him away from the Dark side.
     
  11. Dr Tumbo

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    Doesn't effect just the elderly - Takotsubo cardiomyopathy but I think we'd see far more going wrong w/ padme if this were the case
     
  12. glunark

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    This would make more sense if we ever saw Palpatine or any other sith kill anyone else like that.

    We saw Vader choke people long distance over the TV, and we saw Palps lightning people almost to death, but not once did we see either of them just suck someone's life away, no matter where they were in the universe.

    I mean why even spend ANH looking for the rebel base when you can just kill everyone there with a thought?

    Why spend ESB looking for Luke when he can be killed as easily as remembering to tape a program tonight?
     
  13. DARTH ANIBAL

    DARTH ANIBAL Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it had something to do with him (Palpatine) personally knowing and having some access to Padme. Like, perhaps he couldn't just will a bunch of unknowns to their deaths, but he could focus this power on a specific person. Plus, he didn't want to kill Luke, at least, not after Vader suggested he could be turned. "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." ;) Who knows? Again, I don't actually think Lucas thought it through like this, but it's a neat theory that fits, and adds a cool dimension to that part of the story.
     
  14. glunark

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    Since we know from the movies that Liea remembers her mother, it seems that at least her force abilities existed in some form from birth, possibly Luke's too.

    For all we know the kids could have been inadvertently sending images of their fathers transformation into Vader directly into Padme's brain through the umbilical cord, which might also explain why she didn't want to live.
     
  15. Bigdaddy

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    I prefer the theory that it was a poorly written film which left gaping plot holes from ROTJ because "somebody" wasn't paying attention to details.
     
  16. kegas76

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    This is what I was thinking while reading the piece but I was looking at it from the other side of the coin.

    Padme didn't give up her life to save the babies, fetus-Luke panicked and stole her lifeforce, This left her drained and only surviving because the at the will of the force babies in her, once they were removed she fades.

    Luke is a Skywalker after all and fear has a firm grip on them. An unborn child has no training to fight this or even to preserve themselves without harming others
     
  17. NormanF

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    My theory: lazy writing.
     
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  18. Mola Rob

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    If you have to essentially add depth and reason to a movie by coming up with goofy theories like this one then it's obvious the movie was lacking something to begin with. When I endured ROTS the one and only time I watched it I did not see any nuanced and subtly shaded precursors leading up to the death of Padme, I only saw a seriously underwritten movie and sensed a writer in desperate need of a tragic ending.
     
  19. batguy

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    Was ROTS seriously underwritten? Yes.


    Are most fan theories like this rooted in overthinking underwritten stuff? Yes.


    Is this theory just another case of overthinking? I'm not so sure. Something about it rings very plausible to me.

    GL is an editor first & foremost, and that cut to Palpy's subtle grin over Padme's death is probably no coincidence. It seems odd that GL would not have any plan for Padme's death whatsoever, given that the question has been hanging in the air for 30 years. GL overlooked & got sloppy with a lot of stuff in the prequels but I'm surprised he would have gotten sloppy with that issue in particular.
     
  20. DaddyfromNaboo

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    No planting, no foreshadowing, no hints, no explanation in the movies at any time.
    So this theory is nothing but fanfiction. When a movie scene needs to be eyplained outside of the movie, thenit is the worst writing. It is very muh like explaining a joke.
     
  21. batguy

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    No planting, no foreshadowing, no hints, no explanation in the movies at any time - all that only proves GL didn't set it up very well. It doesn't prove that GL wasn't trying to put it in there when he made ROTS.

    In fact this kind of hasty construction of the storyline feels like standard procedure for the prequels. Nobody is trying argue that GL had it planned it that way 30 years ago.
     
  22. Monkey67

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    Palatine could have had a force sense link with padme since he knew so long. He was basically around her all the time from youth to adulthood. So he could feel her presence with in the force. Once she died he felt it disappear like others. Kinda like how yoda felt mace " non bad * Jedi " windu was killed. They had a link between each other.
     
  23. DaddyfromNaboo

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    Oh, the only one who could "prove" that he tried (!) to put it in there would be GL himself. Since a movie is a finished work of art (although GL tried to disprove that) it´s a simple matter of "it is there or not". If I as the audience cannot find any substantial proof for an idea, then I cannot find the idea itself. That "hiding" of an idea can be done in so many ways on all levels in a movie, be it colours, set design, music so if I can´t find any hints at all then IMO it´s just bs and "wishful thinking". Or the attempt to read more into the elements that a movie consists of.
     
  24. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    I just took his grin as being happy that Vader was so angry. It would eat away at him. I remember a question in SW Insider to the Q&A thing (that Pablo Hidalgo answered) where he said that guilt could also feed the Dark Side.
     
  25. batguy

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    What if somebody produced notes or BTS footage from 2004/05 backing up this theory? Does that make it legit, but it's not legit without it?

    Or is it never legit if the movie doesn't suggest it, even if it WAS KNOWN to be the intent all along (unlike many SW changes)? I mean, Speilberg has spent 40 years claiming he wanted the "Jaws" shark to look more realistic than it did. Is this idea invalid since it does not look that way in the movie?




    We'll probably never know. There isn't enough indication in the ROTS to prove the theory true. Even GL's word cannot be trusted on anything after the fact.
     
  26. Jeyl

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    Padme was the only female character who's presence was worth anything and regardless of what killed her, she was used as emotional baggage and all that mattered to her in the end with Anakin. It's pathetic.
     
  27. batguy

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    Definitely agree. The SW movies have always lacked enough female characters at all. Let alone 3-dimensional interesting ones.


    But truthfully I think classic mythology deserves some of the blame for this. I think it's fair to say GL was drawing on a lot of male-dominated material. He could have done a more balanced job too but the fault is not entirely his IMO.
     
  28. glunark

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    Padme's problems where always that she had to do what the story demanded, no matter how little sense it made.

    She fell in love with Anakin because the story demanded it, even though the two actors had very little chemistry, and despite him confessing to mass murder to her. (why act surprised in the next film, you knew he had previous!)

    And then when the story demanded she die at the end, she just did, even though she was in a sophisticated space hospital at the time.
     
  29. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    I was looking at the ROTS making of book and there's a sketch in it that is interesting. I assume it was from a brainstorming session. It's Padme either kneeling or in a fetal position clutching her stomach with Yoda, hand raised as if sensing something, standing over her. The text said something like envisioning the Force flowing through Padme because of her carrying the Skywalker twins and having the highest midichlorian count ever running through her blood. So, while not canon, it could infer that the twins being born are what took all her strength away. Pretty much any other explanation would have made more sense.
     

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