Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[BTTUK]

I'm not sure how Rey being a clone works as a hypothesis, considering a clone by its very definition means Rey would have to be an exact copy of someone else that looks exactly like her.

Throwing my cards on the table, I think Rey turns when the spirit of Palpatine that was trapped on the Death Star 2 corrupts her somehow. Kylo dies, but Anakin's force ghost being so powerful there too after being the place he also died, finally discovers the power to resurrect with Luke's help, and a Skywalker rises in the shape of Ben Solo.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Wasn't the prequels that introduced it. The OT makes it clear that the Force runs in the Skywalker family, not just in Anakin. Otherwise why bother hide Luke and his sister from the Emperor and Vader? Luke says it outright himself in RoTJ.

Yes, I know I’m in the minority (and a little bit of denial) here. Pretty much every else accepts the whole “lineage/inherited Force abilities”. That’s okay, as Star Wars can’t appeal to/satisfy everyone, and if that was the only problem with any of the movies, I would count myself lucky, as it’s ultimately less important than character, theme, plot, entertainment value, etc. However, that’s where some of them fail for me, which is why I don’t think they’re as good (or good at all, ROTS).

 

[BTTUK]

What I meant is, that he is obviously trying to convince others and turn their opinions around and that rarely works...

Ah my apologies, I misunderstood. Yeah in that regards then yeah you are right.

 

[Huyang]

Anakin, Luke, or Kylo save Rey, bring her back to life.

 

[Huyang]

Any pics of that double red blade?? HD

 

[HMSwolfe]

Any pics of that double red blade?? HD

If you head to the Star Wars prop forum, they’ve already got a reference thread for the new saber going

 

[Joek3rr]

What I meant is, that he is obviously trying to convince others and turn their opinions around and that rarely works...

That's not my intention. Though admittedly I can come across like that.

 

[Joek3rr]

I'm not sure how Rey being a clone works as a hypothesis, considering a clone by its very definition means Rey would have to be an exact copy of someone else that looks exactly like her.

Throwing my cards on the table, I think Rey turns when the spirit of Palpatine that was trapped on the Death Star 2 corrupts her somehow. Kylo dies, but Anakin's force ghost being so powerful there too after being the place he also died, finally discovers the power to resurrect with Luke's help, and a Skywalker rises in the shape of Ben Solo.

Are you suggesting that that Ben would die, then all three generations of Skywalker men would rise back from the dead in the form of one "super" being? If so.....I like it!

 

[BTTUK]

Are you suggesting that that Ben would die, then all three generations of Skywalker men would rise back from the dead in the form of one "super" being? If so.....I like it!

Not quite them channeling themselves into Ben that way.

I think that Anakin will make an appearance along with Luke, and they'll be able to bring Ben back from the dead. How they do it, i'm not sure. Maybe it can be connected to the whole living force concept that Yoda states in ESB, and Qui-gon expounds in TPM/Clone Wars Mortis and the sixth series episodes.

The Rise of Skywalker name just seems to obvious for it not to be something along those lines. Yes Ben is a Solo, but is part of the Skywalker family.

 

[Joek3rr]

Not quite them channeling themselves into Ben that way.

I think that Anakin will make an appearance along with Luke, and they'll be able to bring Ben back from the dead. How they do it, i'm not sure. Maybe it can be connected to the whole living force concept that Yoda states in ESB, and Qui-gon expounds in TPM/Clone Wars Mortis and the sixth series episodes.

The Rise of Skywalker name just seems to obvious for it not to be something along those lines. Yes Ben is a Solo, but is part of the Skywalker family.

I like it. Thats my favorite theory I've heard.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Wasn't the prequels that introduced it. The OT makes it clear that the Force runs in the Skywalker family, not just in Anakin. Otherwise why bother hide Luke and his sister from the Emperor and Vader? Luke says it outright himself in RoTJ.

Besides, we all know that Luke was just referring to this

Haha

 

[Axlotl]

Not the same thing though is it. One is an active service provided. The other is an entertainment medium that we actively pay before seeing a film, with the tacit acknowledgement that we may not get an experience you enjoy, or feel is worth what you paid.

It'd be like saying to your favourite band that they should do what you think they should play on the next album, because you bought their recent one and you didn't enjoy it.

Of course... argue pedantics. I can't help but feel you're being purposely obtuse.

1. A steak is not a service. Internet is a service. Steak is a product. So are movies.

2. While we're being pedantic, the idea I'm trying to communicate is nothing like your favorite band analogy.
I don't tell a band how to write music when they don't meet my expectations, I stop buying their albums.
Which is all I'm advocating for Disney SW. The only real power we have as consumers is to vote with our wallets.
$$$ is the only language giant corporations understand.

The real frustrating thing about this argument is that you pro-ST guys keep rushing to the defensive because you think I'm attacking you.
I'm not. I'm merely suggesting that Star Wars could be a whole lot better than it is now. What's wrong with that? What do you stand to lose if the movies are better? You guys still win. You still get movies you enjoy. The difference is if they were better movies we could ALL enjoy them. Then EVERYBODY wins.

 

[Psab keel]

Not the same thing though is it. One is an active service provided. The other is an entertainment medium that we actively pay before seeing a film, with the tacit acknowledgement that we may not get an experience you enjoy, or feel is worth what you paid.

It'd be like saying to your favourite band that they should do what you think they should play on the next album, because you bought their recent one and you didn't enjoy it.

I agree with Axlotl here.

Disney and Lucasfilm can make whatever Star Wars movies they choose. I'm just not going to see them because I don't care for the stories they choose to tell.

It's not a matter of dictating to a studio what to make because they don't care about my opinion. It's a matter of my choice to not give them my money.

 

[BTTUK]

Of course... argue pedantics. I can't help but feel you're being purposely obtuse.

1. A steak is not a service. Internet is a service. Steak is a product. So are movies.

2. While we're being pedantic, the idea I'm trying to communicate is nothing like your favorite band analogy.
I don't tell a band how to write music when they don't meet my expectations, I stop buying their albums.
Which is all I'm advocating for Disney SW. The only real power we have as consumers is to vote with our wallets.
$$$ is the only language giant corporations understand.

The real frustrating thing about this argument is that you pro-ST guys keep rushing to the defensive because you think I'm attacking you.
I'm not. I'm merely suggesting that Star Wars could be a whole lot better than it is now. What's wrong with that? What do you stand to lose if the movies are better? You guys still win. You still get movies you enjoy. The difference is if they were better movies we could ALL enjoy them. Then EVERYBODY wins.

I'm going to say this once and only once. I do not feel attacked by anything anyone says about the ST, be it a criticism I disagree with, or the lazy way in which the most vocal critics seem to like lumping us all into one homogenous group as you just did, and claim we feel like some kind of victims.
You want to take any replies that way, crack on mate, genuinely fill your boots.

All Star Wars fans have absolutely never agreed on any of the films from 1980 onwards, so to try and revise history as the OT being some sort of grand unifying trilogy, that is or was adored by all fans, is as frankly ridiculous as expecting it to be possible to make a film(s) that everyone will like and enjoy. I remember the arguments between friends about whether ESB was crap or great. I remember the arguments that Ewoks ruined ROTJ. Just because they didn't happen on the internet, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Of course I could just be an ST fanboy and feeling attacked....

 

[Joek3rr]

I'm going to say this once and only once. I do not feel attacked by anything anyone says about the ST, be it a criticism I disagree with, or the lazy way in which the most vocal critics seem to like lumping us all into one homogenous group as you just did, and claim we feel like some kind of victims.
You want to take any replies that way, crack on mate, genuinely fill your boots.

All Star Wars fans have absolutely never agreed on any of the films from 1980 onwards, so to try and revise history as the OT being some sort of grand unifying trilogy, that is or was adored by all fans, is as frankly ridiculous as expecting it to be possible to make a film(s) that everyone will like and enjoy. I remember the arguments between friends about whether ESB was crap or great. I remember the arguments that Ewoks ruined ROTJ. Just because they didn't happen on the internet, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Of course I could just be an ST fanboy and feeling attacked....

Ditto

 

[BTTUK]

I agree with Axlotl here.

Disney and Lucasfilm can make whatever Star Wars movies they choose. I'm just not going to see them because I don't care for the stories they choose to tell.

It's not a matter of dictating to a studio what to make because they don't care about my opinion. It's a matter of my choice to not give them my money.

That was actually also the point I was making. Essentially; don't like it, then fair enough, leave it and enjoy what you do like.

 

[Lightning]

Wasn't the prequels that introduced it. The OT makes it clear that the Force runs in the Skywalker family, not just in Anakin. Otherwise why bother hide Luke and his sister from the Emperor and Vader? Luke says it outright himself in RoTJ.

But we don't know why it runs in families from just the OT. It didn't have to have anything to do with what's in your blood (which is the element that the prequels are responsibly for). It could have been an inherited personality trait or brain structure, something that could also crop up as a random mutation in anyone, usually recessive but dominant in some families. As a matter of fact, symbiotic organisms in the blood don't make much sense as something you can inherit.

 

[Joek3rr]

The difference is if they were better movies we could ALL enjoy them. Then EVERYBODY wins.

This only happens in Shangri-la. It's fantasy. It is impossible to have movie that ALL will enjoy. The fact that I like the ST, and your not crazy about it should show you that. A Star Wars film that you like, I may not like. And visa versa.

 

[BTTUK]

I also don't understand this presumption that somehow what you may think will make a film better, wouldn't negatively affect how someone else views it. It strikes me that by saying that, you feel as if what you think is better overrides what people already think is good to them

 

[BTTUK]

But we don't know why it runs in families from just the OT. It didn't have to have anything to do with what's in your blood (which is the element that the prequels are responsibly for). It could have been an inherited personality trait or brain structure, something that could also crop up as a random mutation in anyone, usually recessive but dominant in some families. As a matter of fact, symbiotic organisms in the blood don't make much sense as something you can inherit.

Probably picked by George as an easy way to describe it, especially maybe something to do with the way in which we use blood as some kind of important symbol in real life, i.e. blood relatives, blood is thicker than water etc. Therefore we have attached a lot of importance to it, even now when we understand more about genetics and society as a whole that discredits those old sayings and beliefs.

I'm just guessing really, as only George can really attempt to explain his own choices.