Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[sztriki]

I have to say I’m a little disappointed that it seems (not guaranteed yet) that TROS will be steamrolling over one of the most important takeaways from TLJ: it doesn’t matter your lineage, that the Force is a spiritual, mystical thing of faith and not determined by having magic blood.

But Snoke says in the same movie that Kylo’s bloodline was one of the biggest things about him, so it surely matters somewhat?

My main concern so far is that TROS seems to want to do an awful amount of things and I doubt it’ll have success (and/or runtime) to properly pull everything off. It feels like lastminute rush to make something impactful (because the previous movie failed to develop or establish anything for the climax *dodges)
I mean will see, but I have strong reservations. I know I will tip my hat if they pull it off. Also know it’s doubtful.

As a filmmaker myself, I’m not loving the color grade/VFX of the sequel trilogy in general, even considering that I do enjoy both TFA and TLJ. The spin-off films have hit that mark much better in my opinion.

That’s interesting. TFA looks a bit like ESB to me, deffos not like ANH or ROTJ. TLJ is its own thing but I like how it looks in general. R1 was kinda grey and dour which fits the war movie concept but it really makes it feel like non-Star Wars to me (overall tone as well). Solo looked terrible even though it was an okay film, half the time I could hardly figure out what was going on it was so dark. Guess it’s different impressions.

 

[PantheraGem]

"Solo" is murky as hell. I just wonder if it was the only way they could get all of the footage to work together.

 

[HMSwolfe]

But Snoke says in the same movie that Kylo’s bloodline was one of the biggest things about him, so it surely matters somewhat?

My main concern so far is that TROS seems to want to do an awful amount of things and I doubt it’ll have success (and/or runtime) to properly pull everything off. It feels like lastminute rush to make something impactful (because the previous movie failed to develop or establish anything for the climax *dodges)
I mean will see, but I have strong reservations. I know I will tip my hat if they pull it off. Also know it’s doubtful.


That’s interesting. TFA looks a bit like ESB to me, deffos not like ANH or ROTJ. TLJ is its own thing but I like how it looks in general. R1 was kinda grey and dour which fits the war movie concept but it really makes it feel like non-Star Wars to me (overall tone as well). Solo looked terrible even though it was an okay film, half the time I could hardly figure out what was going on it was so dark. Guess it’s different impressions.

I agree that TROS seems to be wanting to do too much. I mean, that’s been my problem with the ST from the start (and I did enjoy the films). In ANH, there’s some action at the very beginning, but then we have a lot of time getting to know Luke, learning a little about the Force, etc. A slow burn. TFA is non-stop fast-paced action, and I think it might be a bit too fast. I agree that there are some parts of TFA where I did like the look of the film, and yeah it did look like ESB. One of my favorite shots of the film is just two TIE fighters flying over Starkiller Base, just before Kylo interrogates Rey, I think. But I personally liked the color of the spin-off films. Bright and ultra-colorful works for me in a movie like Into the Spider-verse or Thor: Ragnarok, but I don’t care as much for the ultra saturated, modern film look in the ST. And everyone keeps saying they thought Solo was too dark to see anything: I guess I never had a problem with it. In fact, I think the darker scenes were the ones where Alden Erhenreich acted and looked more like Han. It was the brightly lit scenes where he spoke in a higher octave and you could really see his very curly hair that he seemed less like Han to me. As for the whole bloodline thing, wouldn’t that be something that a villain would care about? It’s the dark side that doesn’t care for the individual, only the fame of his family. The light side should be, in my opinion, “no respecter of persons”.

 

[Lightning]

it doesn’t matter your lineage, that the Force is a spiritual, mystical thing of faith and not determined by having magic blood.

No, you need magic blood no matter what (thanks prequels), but you don't have to inherit it, it can just crop up randomly. But you are right that they may make Rey no longer a random element.

 

[karmajay]

I don't think there is anything in this trailer that confirms Rey to be some type of clone.

 

[Axlotl]

Just so I don't misunderstand you.

If Disney is making Star Wars films for morons, and there are those of us in the fandom that like them. Are we, then, morons?

That's why I edited it. I could see how it could be interpreted that way.
I don't think you're a moron, Disney does.
As long as their moronic movies keep making money they have no reason to believe Star Wars fans are anything but morons.
I just want good movies that don't condescend to me, antagonise me, and insult me.
I'm never going to get that as long as there are SW fans willing to settle for whatever they get and not holding Disney to a standard.

 

[SirSandalot]

Little side note: "Don't look the teeth of a gift horse" is a quote by St. Jerome and it means don't criticize what you get for free or in a very good deal (don't be so picky). It's a common saying in Catholic Europe, some countries saying teeth some others saying mouth.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Nothing confirms clone, but to me at least it seems likely. Disney is trying recoup its Star Wars fans, and the old EU is full of clone stories. Palpatine using clones to come back to life. Joruus C’Boath cloning Luke to make Luuke. The Force Unleashed 2 making clones of Starkiller. Lots of SW fans love the EU, so it makes sense to try to appeal to them. Not to mention a lot of people (myself not included) disliked the “twist” that Rey’s parents weren’t great Jedi, or Han Solo or whatever. Making her a clone means her parents literally were “no one”, yet making her some greatly important Force-user.

I don’t subscribe to midichlorians or chosen ones or other things that limit the Force. I don’t believe in destiny in real-life, so why should I buy into it for a movie? I think everyone is capable of attaining spiritually enlightenment in reality, so continuing to claim that the Force couldn’t technically be wielded by anyone comes off as false to me. It’s like what Luke says about the Force and the Jedi in TLJ; to say that if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity, that it’s not a “power” they have.

 

[Joek3rr]

Little side note: "Don't look the teeth of a gift horse" is a quote by St. Jerome and it means don't criticize what you get for free or in a very good deal (don't be so picky). It's a common saying in Catholic Europe, some countries saying teeth some others saying mouth.

BTW I love you profile picture. It's been far too long since I last saw El Cid.

 

[SirSandalot]

BTW I love you profile picture. It's been far too long since I last saw El Cid.

Ha! My national hero. And it suits my nickname . I'm sorry for Charlton Heston though, but he's Sir Sandalot now.

Hollywood MUST make a remake. What a story and what a man. A real life epic in difficult times.

Sorry for the offtopic.

 

[Joek3rr]

That's why I edited it. I could see how it could be interpreted that way.
I don't think you're a moron, Disney does.
As long as their moronic movies keep making money they have no reason to believe Star Wars fans are anything but morons.
I just want good movies that don't condescend to me, antagonise me, and insult me.
I'm never going to get that as long as there are SW fans willing to settle for whatever they get and not holding Disney to a standard.

See I don't feel that way....... When I watch the BTS stuff, and interviews, and read The Art of books. I see a bunch of Star Wars fans who are making movies for other Star Wars fans. And while I may not hold them to the absolute highest standard, I do hold them to one. And so far, for me they have delivered. I have enjoyed pretty much everything they've put out. I think the films are quite good. I still rate the OT above them.

 

[Nerf Herder]

I agree that TROS seems to be wanting to do too much. I mean, that’s been my problem with the ST from the start (and I did enjoy the films). In ANH, there’s some action at the very beginning, but then we have a lot of time getting to know Luke, learning a little about the Force, etc. A slow burn. TFA is non-stop fast-paced action, and I think it might be a bit too fast. I agree that there are some parts of TFA where I did like the look of the film, and yeah it did look like ESB. One of my favorite shots of the film is just two TIE fighters flying over Starkiller Base, just before Kylo interrogates Rey, I think. But I personally liked the color of the spin-off films. Bright and ultra-colorful works for me in a movie like Into the Spider-verse or Thor: Ragnarok, but I don’t care as much for the ultra saturated, modern film look in the ST. And everyone keeps saying they thought Solo was too dark to see anything: I guess I never had a problem with it. In fact, I think the darker scenes were the ones where Alden Erhenreich acted and looked more like Han. It was the brightly lit scenes where he spoke in a higher octave and you could really see his very curly hair that he seemed less like Han to me. As for the whole bloodline thing, wouldn’t that be something that a villain would care about? It’s the dark side that doesn’t care for the individual, only the fame of his family. The light side should be, in my opinion, “no respecter of persons”.

I really liked Alden Ehrenreichs performance. The movie was lacking at other places, like showing us awesome new worlds instead of bland beaches and snow deserts. But Alden delivered a great job. I'm German and the German version has the benefit that the actor dubbing Alden sounds exactly like the actor who dubbed Harrison Ford in the original movies which adds to the experience.

 

[Nerf Herder]

See if don't feel that way....... When I watch the BTS stuff, and interviews, and read The Art of books. I see a bunch of Star Wars fans who are making movies for other Star Wars fans. And while I may not hold them to the absolute highest standard, I do hold them to one. And so far, for me they have delivered. I have enjoyed pretty much everything they've put out. I think the films are quite good. I still rate the OT above them.

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to have it, but you're pretty lonesome with it, it seems...

 

[BTTUK]

Sorry, no. "Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth" means the same thing as "Beggars can't be choosers".
We're not receiving charity here, we're paying for a product.
If you order a ribeye at a restaraunt and get served chopped liver do you say "Oh well, at least I got something", or do you say "This isn't what I wanted, I'm not paying for this"?

Not the same thing though is it. One is an active service provided. The other is an entertainment medium that we actively pay before seeing a film, with the tacit acknowledgement that we may not get an experience you enjoy, or feel is worth what you paid.

It'd be like saying to your favourite band that they should do what you think they should play on the next album, because you bought their recent one and you didn't enjoy it.

 

[BTTUK]

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to have it, but you're pretty lonesome with it, it seems...

He isn't alone. I love the sequels. I just don't feel the need to justify it publicly

 

[Nerf Herder]

He isn't alone. I love the sequels. I just don't feel the need to justify it publicly

What I meant is, that he is obviously trying to convince others and turn their opinions around and that rarely works...

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

New cloning angle-What if the Death Stars were actually "life givers"?

What if Palpatine used his Superweapon to hide SuperSUPER-Weapons inside of it? The DSs were huge generators, nobody would have noticed secret experiments?

 

[sztriki]

Btw check closely the crane shot when Rey and Kylo are duelling on the Death Star wreckage with the waves all over...is it me or Kylo has no cape on his reflection?

 

[BTTUK]

Let’s just get back to TROS…

I will say that the first trailer for IX had me very excited. It all looked pretty good to me. I liked the skiff sequence, Lando back in the Falcon, what looks like an A-Wing (a very underused ship) in several shots; I was very excited.

It’s been discussed before that it’s kind of a let down how few new lightsabers there are in this trilogy with Rey basically putting a bandaid on the Graflex, but after seeing the switchsaber I’d rather her stick with the Graflex.

I have to say I’m a little disappointed that it seems (not guaranteed yet) that TROS will be steamrolling over one of the most important takeaways from TLJ: it doesn’t matter your lineage, that the Force is a spiritual, mystical thing of faith and not determined by having magic blood. It’s looking like they will interpret that cave scene from TLJ as Rey being a clone, which will mean that it does matter where you get the Force, and that it’s not a spiritual thing at all. Again, this is just from what it looks like right now, and I could be wrong. I could also be right and the movie could be good even with this story. But it doesn’t seem likely to me, I’ve had enough of clones.

As a filmmaker myself, I’m not loving the color grade/VFX of the sequel trilogy in general, even considering that I do enjoy both TFA and TLJ. The spin-off films have hit that mark much better in my opinion.

I personally don't see a contradiction really. TLJ attempted to bring the Force back to being a spiritual thing as it was in the OT. However even the OT acknowledged that family connections matter, otherwise there'd have been no point in Yoda and Obi-wan hiding Anakin's children...

 

[BTTUK]

No, you need magic blood no matter what (thanks prequels), but you don't have to inherit it, it can just crop up randomly. But you are right that they may make Rey no longer a random element.

Wasn't the prequels that introduced it. The OT makes it clear that the Force runs in the Skywalker family, not just in Anakin. Otherwise why bother hide Luke and his sister from the Emperor and Vader? Luke says it outright himself in RoTJ.