Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[PantheraGem]

I cant help but get the feeling that if it was Ackbar rather than Holdo that made the suicide run the criticism of the tactic wouldnt be nearly as loud.

No, because his popularity among fans has grown over the years. He's reached an endeared status. My Ackbar figure got a lot of play time when I was a kid.

Btw, if you haven't checked out the Auralnauts Star Wars saga, you should. They did some amazing stuff with Ackbar.

 

[ConvergencePro]

So odd question that just popped in my stupid brain tonight, and maybe I just missed it in TLJ since I've been totally unable to actually finish the movie again since the theater watching...
Presumably there are still fully functional FO ships in orbit of planet Salt Hoth at the end of the film... and if I remember right Fin said that they ALL have the light speed tracking and would just switch from Supremacy to another ship.
What actually prevents the FO from following the Falcon with the remaining Resistance/Rebels at the end of the film if they do still have this tech?

Probably wasting way more brain cells on this movie than any human should

 

[Master Boda]

They probably didn’t follow the Falcon cuz Kylo was having another one of his childish temper tantrums after finding out Luke out smarted him.Kylo,I can’t stand that character or lack there of.

 

[Joek3rr]

So odd question that just popped in my stupid brain tonight, and maybe I just missed it in TLJ since I've been totally unable to actually finish the movie again since the theater watching...
Presumably there are still fully functional FO ships in orbit of planet Salt Hoth at the end of the film... and if I remember right Fin said that they ALL have the light speed tracking and would just switch from Supremacy to another ship.
What actually prevents the FO from following the Falcon with the remaining Resistance/Rebels at the end of the film if they do still have this tech?

Probably wasting way more brain cells on this movie than any human should

I'd guess that the Falcon has some stuff, being a smugglers ship and all, that allows it to "disappear.' I mean Hera Syndulla had stuff on her VCX-100, hence it's named, the 'Ghost.'

 

[Joek3rr]

It does when you stick with the original, adding the PT is when it started getting messy.

I have to disagree with you on this. Proton torpedoes making a sharp 90-degree turn and going down an exhaust port doesn't make sense. AT-ATs don't make sense. And little space bears with stone-age weapons going up against a futuristic army and winning doesn't make sense.

 

[HeartBlade]

Hyperspace being another dimension does make sense since it’s something that could be scientifically feasible. It’s also been confirmed to be the case in Solo, hence “jumping into hyperspace” as opposed to going into hyperspace.

I think this video just explains it quicker why the casual explanation is a problem.

Regarding interacting in real space, its not stated you can crash into something in hyperspace, just that big objects (planets, stars) create a shadow in hyperspace due to their gravitational pull which pulls the ship out of hyperspace and then crashes into the planet, star etc.

First Order ships don’t have the gravity pull of a star so shouldn’t be able to pull the Raddus out of a crash.

Regardless, it should now be a dominant strategy for both sides to do a kamikaze hyperspace ram if they are damaged or are facing near impossible odds (Death Star, multiple star destroyers).

 

[Joek3rr]

Hyperspace being another dimension does make sense since it’s something that could be scientifically feasible. It’s also been confirmed to be the case in Solo, hence “jumping into hyperspace” as opposed to going into hyperspace.

I think this video just explains it quicker why the casual explanation is a problem.

Regarding interacting in real space, its not stated you can crash into something in hyperspace, just that big objects (planets, stars) create a shadow in hyperspace due to their gravitational pull which pulls the ship out of hyperspace and then crashes into the planet, star etc.

First Order ships don’t have the gravity pull of a star so shouldn’t be able to pull the Raddus out of a crash.

Regardless, it should now be a dominant strategy for both sides to do a kamikaze hyperspace ram if they are damaged or are facing near impossible odds (Death Star, multiple star destroyers).

Except the Raddus hasn't made the actual jump to hyperspace. It's still in realspace. It's in the process of jumping, but it's not hyperspace yet.

The mass shadow stuff is all Legends. They don't work that way in canon. In The Clone Wars, there's an episode where they are headed for a star, how they avoid impacting it, is by shutting down the ship's systems so they drop out of hyperspace right before the star. If the star's mass shadow would have pulled them out, then there wouldn't have been a need to shut the ship down.

Also when a ship is pulled out of hyperspace, by a mass shadow, the ship stops and quits moving forward. As seen in Rebels.

 

[BlandoCalrssian]

Leaving aside the whole experimental shields thing, I feel like the whole reason it worked was A- the element of surprise, and B- the Raddus was close enough to still be in ‘realspace’ when it impacted the Supremacy. If it was ever thought that hyperspace suicide runs might become standard practice fleets would simply deploy Interdictor Cruisers or artificial gravity wells, negating the threat.

 

[Joek3rr]

Hyperspace being another dimension does make sense since it’s something that could be scientifically feasible. It’s also been confirmed to be the case in Solo, hence “jumping into hyperspace” as opposed to going into hyperspace.

I think this video just explains it quicker why the casual explanation is a problem.

Regarding interacting in real space, its not stated you can crash into something in hyperspace, just that big objects (planets, stars) create a shadow in hyperspace due to their gravitational pull which pulls the ship out of hyperspace and then crashes into the planet, star etc.

First Order ships don’t have the gravity pull of a star so shouldn’t be able to pull the Raddus out of a crash.

Regardless, it should now be a dominant strategy for both sides to do a kamikaze hyperspace ram if they are damaged or are facing near impossible odds (Death Star, multiple star destroyers).

Here's another canon example of a ship impacting something while jumping to hyperspace.

 

[Psab keel]

I have to disagree with you on this. Proton torpedoes making a sharp 90-degree turn and going down an exhaust port doesn't make sense. AT-ATs don't make sense. And little space bears with stone-age weapons going up against a futuristic army and winning doesn't make sense.

In context to their respective stories they make sense. By your reasoning there would appear to be no in universe logic therefore negating any reason to question it for the sake of discussion. Sure this is all fiction, I can agree with that, but it's basically the same as saying all art is subjective. Of course it is. It's really a matter of how far is an audience willing to suspend its disbelief to buy into the story. Especially if the new ideas introduced don't gel with the rules previously established. Context matters.

 

[Mr Webber]

I'll happily admit to having many issue with TLJ, but I think the robot hand complaint is unfounded. True, it would have been a neat shot. But, to those that make such an issue of it - why are we not also asking what happened to Obi-Wan's boots? Or all of Yoda's clothes? We've seen 3 Jedi become one with the Force over 8 saga movies. Of those three, everything disappears, except for their overcloaks or Yoda's blanket. It's visually consistent.

Then how do you explain Anakin being totally restored to his full glory pre Darth Vader scars and limb loss as a Force ghost at the end of ROTJ in both versions then? And Obi-Wans lightsaber didn't disappear either. The fact that the things like boots and over cloaks and blankets didnt disappear was for a more dramatic effect. Film making 101.

Johnson himself admitted that he totally forgot about the robot hand dropping, it wasnt something that I just made up.

 

[Mr Webber]

Only for you. When it's not used in the next film, I know it's because of some one of a kind tech on one of the ships. So I don't expect to be repeated.

Traveling at light speed into a group of objects causing tremendous damage doesnt require any kind of special tech. It wont be repeated because it would take away from the spectacle of an extended space battle and all the scope of dramatic story telling involving a wide variety of characters that it has the potential to produce.

 

[Joek3rr]

Traveling at light speed into a group of objects causing tremendous damage doesnt require any kind of special tech. It wont be repeated because it would take away from the spectacle of an extended space battle and all the scope of dramatic story telling involving a wide variety of characters that it has the potential to produce.

Not necessarily. Without those experimental shields, the results would not be the same. If you took away the Raddus's shields, the damage would have been limited to the Supremacy and would have not extended to the fleet behind.

 

[ConvergencePro]

I have to disagree with you on this. Proton torpedoes making a sharp 90-degree turn and going down an exhaust port doesn't make sense. AT-ATs don't make sense. And little space bears with stone-age weapons going up against a futuristic army and winning doesn't make sense.

I actually can see AT-AT’s making total sense from a design standpoint for their supposed purpose. What they lack in speed they more than make up for in other advantages, like added height which gives them much further range than a contemporary tracked armored vehicle does. I can also see them being able to handle mountainous terrain and such much easier with the individual limbs to shift weight on and stabilize. Its more that the films and other media just haven’t utilized them in such a way.

On the subject of hyperspace, idk why but I kinda honestly hate all this alternate dimension stuff trying to explain the science behind it... Tbh I think it probably introduces more problems than it does answer things for us. I know in real world physics its theoretically impossible to go faster than the speed of light, and that even going the speed of light it would take forever to go anywhere, but for the purposes of the film and as an audience member I’ve never once thought that these ships entered some sort of different plain of reality or Event Horizon style jump across space. I always just figured in whatever galaxy they’re in they managed to invent a device (hyperdrive) that enables a ship in the vacuum of space to instantly “jump” up to that speed (or 1.5x that speed in the Falcons case if Hans .5 past lightspeed comment were to make sense) and that was their way of fast traveling everywhere for the purposes of the story. Calculating that path and avoiding crashing into any known objects or planets would also make perfect sense in this context.
Yes it is impossible according to everything our science says, but not necessarily theirs. I know we take this super seriously most of the time but we gotta remember to have a little suspension of belief with this stuff
Movie magic and all that

 

[Psab keel]

Plus the more technical it gets it smacks more of science fiction vs space opera. I don't want more technical information, I want stories that make sense (in context to the world in which they exist) and most importantly characters I care about.

The Raddus move looked cool but doesn't fit. Excusing it doesn't really matter now because the film exists, but to me it was the least of 8s problems.

Besides now we have space horses riding on the hull of spaceships in orbit to look forward to!

 

[Jaitea]

I have to disagree with you on this. Proton torpedoes making a sharp 90-degree turn and going down an exhaust port doesn't make sense. AT-ATs don't make sense. And little space bears with stone-age weapons going up against a futuristic army and winning doesn't make sense.

The torpedoes are bombs (that's why the Y-Wing Bombers led the attack), like guided missiles.....once fired at the right time (with help from the force) they lock onto the pre-programmed target

J

 

[Joek3rr]

The torpedoes are bombs, like guided missiles.....once fired at the right time (with help from the force) they lock onto the pre-programmed target

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So the torpedoes must have the schematics of the Death Star loaded in. Because they would have to be programed to fly down the tube. Because the target is at the center of the station.

 

[Jaitea]

So the torpedoes must have the schematics of the Death Star loaded in. Because they would have to be programed to fly down the tube. Because the target is at the center of the station.

Likely, from the stolen plans

J

 

[Bigdaddy]

So odd question that just popped in my stupid brain tonight, and maybe I just missed it in TLJ since I've been totally unable to actually finish the movie again since the theater watching...
Presumably there are still fully functional FO ships in orbit of planet Salt Hoth at the end of the film... and if I remember right Fin said that they ALL have the light speed tracking and would just switch from Supremacy to another ship.
What actually prevents the FO from following the Falcon with the remaining Resistance/Rebels at the end of the film if they do still have this tech?

Probably wasting way more brain cells on this movie than any human should

I'm betting that the Falcon has some experimental shields preventing it from being tracked, or it could just be the Will of the Force.

 

[ConvergencePro]

Plus the more technical it gets it smacks more of science fiction vs space opera. I don't want more technical information, I want stories that make sense (in context to the world in which they exist) and most importantly characters I care about.

The Raddus move looked cool but doesn't fit. Excusing it doesn't really matter now because the film exists, but to me it was the least of 8s problems.

Besides now we have space horses riding on the hull of spaceships in orbit to look forward to!

To add to that even more to that, there have been plenty of scientific studies in recent years concluding that useable DNA only lasts for so many centuries and that cloning Dinosaurs from preserved DNA is simply impossible. However, that doesn’t now ruin anything for my enjoyment or believability in Jurassic Park when watching it just because science says its not possible

Think Ill actually go watch that now