The Brahma Bull
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Rose Tico is not on the poster. That's a good thing. After the way Kennedy talked about her, I was afraid that she gets her own trilogy.
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Joek3rr
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I suggest you look into the art of kintsugi. And the possible symbolism with Ben's story. Kintsugi: Transformative Repair (A Meta)
I've only scratched the surface, and I've found it very intriguing.
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CT1138
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Star Wars borrowing from Japanese artforms? Preposterous!
Kylo is not much of a Mr. Miyagi character. Yoda maybe, not Kylo.
What I picture with Kylo is he sits alone in his room, still hasn't moved into Snokes chamber. Just huddled in the corner with a bottle of glue, crying and talking to his busted Darth Vader mask.
"I'll show them, I'll show them all Grandfather.." (sniff) "You're the only one who understands me!!!"
Besides, the problem here (and one that eludes JJ) is that in this context it's not Star Wars borrowing a japanese art form, it's Kylo Ren. IN universe silliness is being considered acceptible in exchange for out-universe symbolism. JJ did this a lot with Star Wars as well. One of the wrost examples was Kirk being promoted from cadet to captain, BACK to cadet, then back to Captain. It might make sense to the audience to make Kirk a captain, because we know in the other universe he made a great captain, but IN universe it's a series of moronic decisions that could only make sense if there's only 10 people total in the federation and 8 of them suffer mental disabilities.
What I picture with Kylo is he sits alone in his room, still hasn't moved into Snokes chamber. Just huddled in the corner with a bottle of glue, crying and talking to his busted Darth Vader mask.
"I'll show them, I'll show them all Grandfather.." (sniff) "You're the only one who understands me!!!"
Besides, the problem here (and one that eludes JJ) is that in this context it's not Star Wars borrowing a japanese art form, it's Kylo Ren. IN universe silliness is being considered acceptible in exchange for out-universe symbolism. JJ did this a lot with Star Wars as well. One of the wrost examples was Kirk being promoted from cadet to captain, BACK to cadet, then back to Captain. It might make sense to the audience to make Kirk a captain, because we know in the other universe he made a great captain, but IN universe it's a series of moronic decisions that could only make sense if there's only 10 people total in the federation and 8 of them suffer mental disabilities.
This is a really nice poster! They should've used this instead of the video game cover one.
I watched that last night. This is now the second or third time I've heard this exact plot leak. It sounds legit to me.
Metaluna mutant
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Watched it. Thought it was interesting but that plot seems awfully complicated for a movie. I could certainly see parts of its Quest for the Mcguffin (no spoilers please) being very good. I liked the significance of the title, which matches my own guess from months ago. We'll see.
Spoiler: Last shot of the movie: a young kid named Anakin wakes up and says "Wow! I just had the coolest dream! And it had aliens and laser swords and spaceships blowing up whole planets and..."
Spoiler: Last shot of the movie: a young kid named Anakin wakes up and says "Wow! I just had the coolest dream! And it had aliens and laser swords and spaceships blowing up whole planets and..."
Don’t be fooled.. he’ll probably get screwed over again
Joek3rr
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Borrowing real world symbolism is already a thing in Star Wars.
So having Ben's repaired helmet mimic this form of transformative repair, that is kintsugi, is symbolic of what he's really going through.
I sincerely doubt JJ even knows what Kintsugi is. It's just fans reading into these things way more than the film makers ever would.
To me the Yin Yang is too on the nose and a symbol from our world that pulls me out of AGFFA and back into our world, reminding me that I am watching a cartoon rather than getting invested in the story.
Some symbols are just too recognizable to really warrant inclusion in certain stories. Just like that image of Buddha (or the Prime Jedi) or whatever he/ she/ it was referred to in that image on the floor of the Force Tree. We all know Star Wars was heavily influenced by eastern religion and mysticism, though that wasn't it's only influence, but to have to spell it out so bluntly pulls me right out of the story.
To me the Yin Yang is too on the nose and a symbol from our world that pulls me out of AGFFA and back into our world, reminding me that I am watching a cartoon rather than getting invested in the story.
Some symbols are just too recognizable to really warrant inclusion in certain stories. Just like that image of Buddha (or the Prime Jedi) or whatever he/ she/ it was referred to in that image on the floor of the Force Tree. We all know Star Wars was heavily influenced by eastern religion and mysticism, though that wasn't it's only influence, but to have to spell it out so bluntly pulls me right out of the story.
Joek3rr
Master Member
He literally describes what it is.
"Having [Kylo Ren] be masked, but also fractured, is a very intentional thing. Like that classic Japanese process of taking ceramics and repairing them, and how the breaks in a way define the beauty of the piece as much as the original itself. As fractured as Ren is, the mask becomes a visual representation of that. There’s something about this that tells his history. His mask doesn’t ultimately hide him and his behavior is revealed." - JJ Abrams
The only way I'd ever heard of Kintsugi was from that video you posted a few months back where fans were talking about the actual process, but I wasn't aware that JJ actually knew what it was. Symbolically it's a cool idea. Typically speaking though the fans tend to think these things through way more than the film makers tend do, but it is cool that he was trying to add a different layer in there.
I still stand by my assessment of the Yin Yang and Buddha though and them being too on the nose.
I still stand by my assessment of the Yin Yang and Buddha though and them being too on the nose.
Bigdaddy
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I can't imagine what the in universe explanation would be for him repairing his mask rather than replacing it. Since this is a fan film I guess it's to be expected that there will be plenty of "deep" symbolism for fan service rather than focusing on a well told cohesive story.
Joek3rr
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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Writer Chris Terrio Reveals Two Key Questions That Fuel Episode IX – Exclusive
Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise Of Skywalker will address two key questions. Read more at Empire.
Interesting. This question of "How strong is the Force?" Was one of the first questions asked by Rick Carter for the creative team to ponder when they started working on TFA.
sztriki
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Well we know that the ability to destroy a planey is insignificant next to it, so we can start there I guess?Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Writer Chris Terrio Reveals Two Key Questions That Fuel Episode IX – Exclusive
Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise Of Skywalker will address two key questions. Read more at Empire.www.empireonline.com
Interesting. This question of "How strong is the Force?" Was one of the first questions asked by Rick Carter for the creative team to ponder when they started working on TFA.
Metaluna mutant
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I always thought a better explanation for how powerful the force should be in users was its "power" being divided by users. Dozens of Jedi means each can do some light side stuff. As the number of Jedi lessen, each can do more powerful light side stuff. With only 1-2 jedi (Ben and Yoda), they can do even more, like appear after death. With just 1, they both learn super-quick and can do advanced stuff almost immediately. This explains how both Luke and Rey learned things so quickly and were doing advanced things out of the gate.
Another reason for the Sith to only have 2 members -- each one controls half the Dark-side force. These 2 really are more powerful than the numerous Jedi. As soon as the apprentice trains enough, he kills his master and takes all the power, restarting the Sith cycle.
Another reason for the Sith to only have 2 members -- each one controls half the Dark-side force. These 2 really are more powerful than the numerous Jedi. As soon as the apprentice trains enough, he kills his master and takes all the power, restarting the Sith cycle.
robn1
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I've had to do several deep dives into image search, but I finally found the old Looney Tunes character D-0 reminds me of.
Joek3rr
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I've had to do several deep dives into image search, but I finally found the old Looney Tunes character D-0 reminds me of.
Oh I love that bird!
Joek3rr
Master Member
That would suggest that the Force is finite. And indeed perhaps the Living Force is. But I don't believe the Cosmic Force is. Plus the ability to become a Force ghost is simply that of retaining ones individual consciousness even though they have become one with the Cosmic Force. Qui-Gon able to retain his consciousness after death, even though there were thousands of Jedi in the galaxy. I'm not sure that the number of Force users has anything to do with how strong the Force. As there are many other Light and Dark Side users other then the Jedi and the Sith.
I find it hilarious that the sidekick needs their own sidekick.I've had to do several deep dives into image search, but I finally found the old Looney Tunes character D-0 reminds me of.
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