Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)
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Jagjaguwar
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Found this article to be interesting, part theory, and part explanation by way of the visual dictionary, apparently:
*Spoilers for TROS, naturally, but also for the Clone Wars series, possibly? I haven’t seen that show myself and so I really don’t know if the discussion related to that is spoilery or not.*
The end of Rise of Skywalker changes what we know about the Sith
I will say that it’s really, really stupid that things like this (the “Sith Eternal”) are left for accompanying reference books to explain. I found the most interesting aspects of Palpatine in TROS to be his line “I have died before” and the cataract-addled look of his eyes that made me assume he was blind. Would like to learn a bit more about that line of dialogue (I’m assuming he was referring to falling down the shaft in ROTJ.)
*Spoilers for TROS, naturally, but also for the Clone Wars series, possibly? I haven’t seen that show myself and so I really don’t know if the discussion related to that is spoilery or not.*
The end of Rise of Skywalker changes what we know about the Sith
I will say that it’s really, really stupid that things like this (the “Sith Eternal”) are left for accompanying reference books to explain. I found the most interesting aspects of Palpatine in TROS to be his line “I have died before” and the cataract-addled look of his eyes that made me assume he was blind. Would like to learn a bit more about that line of dialogue (I’m assuming he was referring to falling down the shaft in ROTJ.)
The sad thing is that whether or not they've been revealed yet, we all know the answers WILL eventually be revealed by Disney, but only for those that pay for all of the upcoming supplementary media that Disney now uses for this purpose, as well as to plug the odd plot hole.
Mr Webber
Master Member
Just a reminder that the box office as it stands shows nothing but a continuation of the downward decline of Star Wars as an economic property since TFA. For the supposed climax to the worlds number one IP, actually number two now in reality, it will not come even close to Infinity War or Endgame. I doubt they are even making a profit from it just yet.
SirSandalot
Active Member
Kathleen Kennedy on Difficulty of Making Star Wars Sequel Films: "There's No Source Material. We Don't Have Comic Books."
Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy stated the Star Wars sequel trilogy films are incredibly difficult to make because they don't have "source material," and they don't have "comic books."
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“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”
Why is she in charge again?
Did she forget about all the novels, comics, video games etc, etc, etc?
cboath
Master Member
I'd read after last weekend they crossed at least 500M world wide which puts 250 in their pockets. They didn't spend much on advertising so they should be turning a profit by now.
Totals for the prequels and even the OT i believe went down with each flick as well. Hard to compare this to Endgame. This was a pretty good fixer to a problem the last guy created for a trilogy that should never have been tied to the overall narrative and should have just been its own thing. Endgame was the capper to a 20 movie line that was built by Feige that allowed directors to do what they wished more or less within an overall structure. No one was offended, pissed off or outraged at any of the flicks they made and their cap was flat out excellent. This was good, but it was far from Endgame so it's not a shock it won't touch Endgame. I don't think you'll find anyone who thought that it would.
It's funny to say this is going downward when it will put all three episodes well north of the 1B mark. Don't think even marvel put three in a row past that mark.
cboath
Master Member
Kathleen Kennedy on Difficulty of Making Star Wars Sequel Films: "There's No Source Material. We Don't Have Comic Books."
Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy stated the Star Wars sequel trilogy films are incredibly difficult to make because they don't have "source material," and they don't have "comic books."
“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”
Why is she in charge again?
Did she forget about all the novels, comics, video games etc, etc, etc?
Or the fact she green-lit movies based on one of those video games? and that TV shows have pulled from the Novels, and I believe George pulled Coruscant from one as well.
No, they don't have the comic back history marvel has to pull from (though they have changed those a fair amount). I don't disagree that the movies can be hard nuts to crack, but you should know that going in and therefore create a singular narrative that flows through the three of them not hack it together as you go along.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
Have you ever been told the Tragedy of Darth Kennedy?
Joek3rr
Master Member
I hope he isn't having health issues.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Kathleen Kennedy on Difficulty of Making Star Wars Sequel Films: "There's No Source Material. We Don't Have Comic Books."
Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy stated the Star Wars sequel trilogy films are incredibly difficult to make because they don't have "source material," and they don't have "comic books."
“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”
Why is she in charge again?
Did she forget about all the novels, comics, video games etc, etc, etc?
Could it be those novels, comics, video games etc, etc, etc aren't canon anymore?
Bigdaddy
Master Member
Whether something is "Canon" or not is besides the point. That term doesn't even exist with Marvel but they still drew from comics to create a mostly cohesive story arc. I think the point being made is that she's pretending they have no basis to work from when a more accurate statement would be they are choosing to start from scratch, it's a business decision not a creative one.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Apples and oranges.
That's Marvel's thing. That's what they are wanting to do. Lucasfilm gave themselves a clean slate. They wanted to start over and not be beholden to anything or be stuck adapting other works.
RodanAZ
Well-Known Member
You can't have it both ways... if they wanted to start over, they should have started over. Instead, they tried to cash in on the previous story arc ("Skywalker saga") while crapping on most of what made it beloved by the fans.
I don't understand the apples and oranges comment. It seems to me like Bigdaddy said exactly the same thing that you did.
Joek3rr
Master Member
So completely reset the universe? Yeah that wouldn't have flown well either.
The very reason that to start over was because of how messy and contradictory the EU was. I mean how many was the Death Star plans stolen? Like 3 times? And then George came along with PT and TCW and retconned lots of the EU.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
Comparing the way the two largest current film franchises were created isn't apples and oranges, you can dismiss it if you choose to but it's certainly an apt analogy. (Didn't you just compare Marvel to DSW a day ago!?)
As you pointed out Lucas film "chose" to start from scratch, KK's statement gives the impression there was no basis to work from when in fact it was a business decision to jettison the reams of material out there. They certainly could pull ideas, characters, designs, etc. from existing materials (and they seem to do it to an extent) but her "poor us, we have no foundation to work from" is rediculous.
I know you love DSW but it's just a business with a thin veneer of "special". Kennedy is just yammering away to provide an excuse for the current state of their "product".
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