Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker?

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The EU has already been rebooted multiple times. I didn't cry a tear when the original Marvel run of the late 70s-mid 80s was cast aside, but we didn't have the internet than either to whine about it :)

This has all happened before, and it shall all happen again.
 
Joek3rr said:
So completely reset the universe? Yeah that wouldn't have flown well either.
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Is it so hard to imagine a different story with different characters in a different time and a different part of the galaxy?
I mean, this is a GALAXY we're talking about. Not a solar system, not a planet, not a continent, not a city... a whole GALAXY, with thousands of years of history and TRILLIONS of people.
 
Axlotl said:
Is it so hard to imagine a different story with different characters in a different time and a different part of the galaxy?
I mean, this is a GALAXY we're talking about. Not a solar system, not a planet, not a continent, not a city... a whole GALAXY, with thousands of years of history and TRILLIONS of people.
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I'm talking about a full reboot like Star Trek 2009, or Lost in Space.
 
cboath said:
Or the fact she green-lit movies based on one of those video games? and that TV shows have pulled from the Novels, and I believe George pulled Coruscant from one as well.

No, they don't have the comic back history marvel has to pull from (though they have changed those a fair amount). I don't disagree that the movies can be hard nuts to crack, but you should know that going in and therefore create a singular narrative that flows through the three of them not hack it together as you go along.
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Dude... even if you JUST look at Star Wars comics, that's still 40+ years of material.
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Star Wars comics - Wikipedia

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Bottom line, KK made an extremely boneheaded statement when she claimed that there's no source material to draw from. My guess is she was trying to CYA and did it very, very badly.

I will be the first to admit that there is a lot of **** in the EU, but there is also some really great stuff that Disney would be smart to use instead of trying to wing it. Also... if they're going to do another trilogy, clearly it'd be better for them to at least have an outline of the arc to work from instead of making it up as they go along.
 
Joek3rr said:
Apples and oranges.

That's Marvel's thing. That's what they are wanting to do. Lucasfilm gave themselves a clean slate. They wanted to start over and not be beholden to anything or be stuck adapting other works.
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Because you don't take an exact story from the other works does not mean you have nothing to draw from. Period. You absolutely do. Rebels drew from it and used it in their own way. That would be the perfect example. They didn't use any of the story line but brought things in from that source even though it wasn't canon.

Saying you have nothing to draw from - especially when you are doing EXACTLY that for a KOTOR set of movies - is flat out disengenuous at best. Maybe just clueless, i don't know. But, they HAVE used that source and ARE using it again.

I've got no problem with them dumping the EU. The line given when it began was basically we're not beholden to any of it, but should anything change and we make sequels we reserve the right to use it if we see fit. The stuff was written under license so they almost assuredly retained rights to use it again down the road if the chose to do so.

If they wanted to go clean slate, great. They just apparently didn't know how to go about constructing a story for 3 movies. So, next time, do it better. Hopefully if nothing else, they have a lot of 'lessons learned' to pull from for the next go around.

I'd also wish that people would get past the idea the EU was ever official. It wasn't. Never was.
 
cboath said:
I'd read after last weekend they crossed at least 500M world wide which puts 250 in their pockets. They didn't spend much on advertising so they should be turning a profit by now.

Totals for the prequels and even the OT i believe went down with each flick as well. Hard to compare this to Endgame. This was a pretty good fixer to a problem the last guy created for a trilogy that should never have been tied to the overall narrative and should have just been its own thing. Endgame was the capper to a 20 movie line that was built by Feige that allowed directors to do what they wished more or less within an overall structure. No one was offended, pissed off or outraged at any of the flicks they made and their cap was flat out excellent. This was good, but it was far from Endgame so it's not a shock it won't touch Endgame. I don't think you'll find anyone who thought that it would.

It's funny to say this is going downward when it will put all three episodes well north of the 1B mark. Don't think even marvel put three in a row past that mark.
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This movie had extensive reshoots, as confirmed by John Boyega during that infamous "Script under the bed" interview so I find the budget figure released to be very spurious. Didnt spend much on advertising? Just here in Australia the promotion was extensive and Disney own nothing here so I would beg to differ on that when you take the rest of the world in to account. They got a free run on CBS and YouTube but thats it. Where even is the merch for this film?

I couldnt agree more with you on why Marvel has been so successful but all that shows to me is why Disney failed to match or better them simply in terms of good will. Star Wars had over a twenty year head start on them in terms of dominating the cinema turf. TRoS was promoted as the conclusion of a 42 year saga, they were sure hoping for at least an equal to Endgame.

At the end of the day, a film was released just a couple of months ago that had an R rating, no release in China and came with a national warning that you may lose your life if you go and see it and theres a very good chance TRoS will not even match its box office.
 
Mr Webber said:
At the end of the day, a film was released just a couple of months ago that had an R rating, no release in China and came with a national warning that you may lose your life if you go and see it and theres a very good chance TRoS will not even match its box office.
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Halliwax said:
Have chewie Fire up the delorean, go back in time and stop all this crap from
Happening...

Giving us a clean slate to start over
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Who sees these expensive bad fan films anyways? LOL
Don't see it, it never happened.
I'm free, free at last, free at last.
Thanks to Crystal Skull for that, that taught me the hard way
never ever rush in with the nerd herd. Do your homework first.

Bring on the Old Republic in a few years, after Kathleen Kennedy's contract is up.
 
Mr Webber said:
At the end of the day, a film was released just a couple of months ago that had an R rating, no release in China and came with a national warning that you may lose your life if you go and see it and theres a very good chance TRoS will not even match its box office.
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We're ten days into what will likely be a weeks long run time in theaters for TRoS, and it's at 70% of Joker's total box office run. I'm not too worried that it'll pass it. Also, already whooped it in the domestic US market.
Also also: I didn't feel like I'd just watched an hour and a half of a psychopath justifying his own psychopathy when I left TRoS, so it's got that going for it :lol:
 
Box office numbers are totally meaningless unless you're the one making the profit from it, but what you're describing are two different things.

One was an attempt to win back customers after two years were spent demonizing a large portion of them by pandering to them in the cheapest and emptiest way possible and the other one was a movie.
 
Paul Andrew said:
Also also: I didn't feel like I'd just watched an hour and a half of a psychopath justifying his own psychopathy when I left TRoS, so it's got that going for it :lol:
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Instead we were treated to two hours and twenty minutes of the most disjointed, plot hole filled, poorly edited cinematic failure that resembles a dog with rabies breakfast that Ive seen in at least two years. Totally bereft of anything that makes film making an art form. The only motivation for me to not walk out earlier was to see if they actually followed through with the leaks. Oh, and it suffered a box office drop of 107% today as well.

ADDITION. Not once in that movie was either the director/writer or the character trying to justify the actions of the main protagonist, not once. They simply laid out a series of events keeping true to the art of cinema. If you want to discuss that further I`ll see you in its thread.
 
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Joek3rr said:
So completely reset the universe? Yeah that wouldn't have flown well either.

The very reason that to start over was because of how messy and contradictory the EU was. I mean how many was the Death Star plans stolen? Like 3 times? And then George came along with PT and TCW and retconned lots of the EU.
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Why reset it? The universe is big, you could've done a trilogy about some characters far away from the Skywalker-Saga and nobody had to crap on SW, but they chose to do so.

There were plenty of possibilities. Old Republic stuff, or something further in the future.
 
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