Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

[Mr Webber]

But I think its important for our personal growth that we hear more stories about how conveniently the PT nearly ruined Star Wars for some people but they were stunning and brave enough to rise above that and embrace what Disney gave us all as a shining example to those who arent as strong and brave. Then we can get a pat on the head and a cookie and be told to go play outside with our sister Becky.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

Boy, at this point, hasn’t this thread become a party where most everyone has left and it’s time to turnout the lights and call it a night?

"...most everyone..."

This is the part where we hang out in the parking lot, light up the good stuff, and continue to talk about how whack the whole thing was.

But, hey, maybe we're all learning that a thread doesn't have to go on for 2 years, circuitously rehashing either side of the same "already formed" opinions, and we can just move on instead. I call that a win for the whole forum.

 

[Joek3rr]

I think I'll take a lesson from old man Luke and go into self exile from this thread, and break the cycle.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

I think I'll take a lesson from old man Luke and go into self exile from this thread, and break the cycle.

"If you wanna make the world a better place,
take a look at yourself, and make a change."

-Michael Jackson
-Batman

 

[ConvergencePro]

Can anybody confirm for me that Kylo’s last line in the series is indeed “Ouch” ?
There’s your Darth Vader wanna be for ya

also Ive come to the realization that the Disney StarWars sequels are basically the JAWS sequels in terms of effort/direction

TFA and JAWS II are basically the first film rehashed with tons of problems but being just different enough to still be semi-enjoyable
TLJ and JAWS III both try to reinvent the wheel so the franchise can expand wile being disasters that are missing everything that made the original so great
TROS and JAWS: The Revenge are desperate attempts to try and 180° the sinking ship into being a salvageable IP, combining both new stuff and random nostalgia trips with no real logic or consistency to the story or events becoming one of the most horrific goofball films to ever grace the silver screen

 

[Halliwax]

I think I'll take a lesson from old man Luke and go into self exile from this thread, and break the cycle.

I bet you 20 bucks you’ll be back, and with a positive attitude

 

[drcraig13]

 

[Bigdaddy]

I had an opportunity to watch it for free last week (my kid already found it on the web) but opted for reruns of The Office. My interest in seeing it seems to be less than my interest in reading people argue about it! Honestly, even the positive reviews here have lessened my curiosity about it.

 

[HMSwolfe]

My brother sent me this screenshot of a comment on RLM’s review of the Mandalorian

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

See, I can't really dump too much on the choice to bring Palpatine back. Whether we like it or not, there is a "somethingsomethingsomething Dark Side" explanation for the how of it, and it's not like it's not been done in other SW media* so it's not exactly untread ground. Sure, they coulda, shoulda, woulda done better with a well-thought out story arc before the first camera rolled, but it just doesn't bother me so much. I can buy the explanation, I guess.

*Disclaimer: I am not, nor have I ever been into the "EU".

 

[HMSwolfe]

See, I can't really dump too much on the choice to bring Palpatine back. Whether we like it or not, there is a "somethingsomethingsomething Dark Side" explanation for the how of it, and it's not like it's not been done in other ST media* so it's not exactly untread ground. Sure, they coulda, shoulda, woulda done better with a well-thought out story arc before the first camera rolled, but it just doesn't bother me so much. I can buy the explanation, I guess.

*Disclaimer: I am not, nor have I ever been into the "EU".

I can and will forever dump on that choice; to me it’s not an issue of “is it possible?”, but rather, “should it be done?” It’s a remarkably lazy attempt to use a character’s popularity in order to bring back alienated fans (and I think the laziness shows in the final product, what with the recycling of his dialogue and his lackluster appearance), and it’s totally destructive of the story and character arcs of the OT. I couldn’t care less if they had expertly written him into the story, or totally and succinctly explained how he was alive within the movie—ultimately, it was in total disregard to the previous films in order to get out of a creative hole and bring in fans.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

I can understand that. For me, the OT sits upon high. The ST we got is a fun (to me and my daughter, anyway) addition to the story. It's kinda my EU. They're an unnecessary extension of that original story that I like enough to own and have a good time watching. It's not that I didn't have ANY expectations for them, just that I knew that the odds were that it was very unlikely they could have done a satisfactory continuation of that story. Let's put it like this--They sit on the proverbial shelf with the OT as a nice companion set of movies, whereas the PT is in a CD/DVD book.

YMMV.

 

[HMSwolfe]

I can understand that. For me, the OT sits upon high. The ST we got is a fun (to me and my daughter, anyway) addition to the story. It's kinda my EU. They're an unnecessary extension of that original story that I like enough to own and have good time watching. It's not that I didn't have ANY expectations for them, just that I knew that the odds were that it was very unlikely they could have done a satisfactory continuation of that story. Let's put it like this--They sit on the proverbial shelf with the OT as a nice companion set of movies, whereas the PT is in a CD/DVD book.

YMMV.

I don’t hate the ST—really, it’s just TROS as the primary offender. The others had their good and their bad, but I ultimately enjoyed both.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

I don’t hate the ST—really, it’s just TROS as the primary offender. The others had their good and their bad, but I ultimately enjoyed both.

See, I find that interesting. Save for the Canto Bight bit, I really liked most of TLJ, and its "subversion". That said, I TOTALLY understand why some people detest/hate/loathe it. I don't think I've spoken to anyone yet who liked TFA and TLJ, but not TROS. If anything, TLJ is where it comes off the rails for them, if they bought into TFA, at all.

 

[ConvergencePro]

Interesting subject I’ve been bring up but keep forgetting.. but now that we have the trilogy as a whole...
What are your guys opinions on the use of Flashback scenes in this trilogy?
For me they’re very weird and I actually really hate them being in these kinda of films tbh.
Scenes like that, while perhaps very useful in some films, are very out of place in an a StarWars film for me, just like it would be in Indiana Jones or similar Fantastic/Action/Adventure film and often break the believability/realness of the film for me
What I mean by that is in films like the OT or IJ or Jurassic Park etc etc we’re all along for the ride as the audience and experience the events of the film along with the characters as they themselves are experiencing them. Almost never do you see a random inserted scene showing some past event or the like in a character life, it may be talked about and referenced in the past tense, but is never directly shown to the audience which adds realism to the world as everything’s happening in real time

 

[HMSwolfe]

Interesting subject I’ve been bring up but keep forgetting.. but now that we have the trilogy as a whole...
What are your guys opinions on the use of Flashback scenes in this trilogy?
For me they’re very weird and I actually really hate them being in these kinda of films tbh.
Scenes like that, while perhaps very useful in some films, are very out of place in an a StarWars film for me, just like it would be in Indiana Jones or similar Fantastic/Action/Adventure film and often break the believability/realness of the film for me
What I mean by that is in films like the OT or IJ or Jurassic Park etc etc we’re all along for the ride as the audience and experience the events of the film along with the characters as they themselves are experiencing them. Almost never do you see a random inserted scene showing some past event or the like in a character life, it may be talked about and referenced in the past tense, but is never directly shown to the audience which adds realism to the world as everything’s happening in real time

I’d agree with that. I’d also say, given how the Force visions ended up being portrayed, I would have rather had no visual representation. With better execution, maybe, but otherwise…just stick with simple cave Vader duel, or “I see a city in the clouds…”

 

[HMSwolfe]

I think there could have been some really cool visions shown visually, and it could still be done in future films, but JJ’s vision in TFA is too scattered and rushed, and RJ’s in TLJ feels a little…soulless, due to the effects. Honestly though, I don’t know if we’ll ever get another good story revolving around the Jedi other than the OT, because the Jedi have been changed so much since 1983 that they’re practically unrecognizable. Too much “canon lore” about how stoic and overpowered and unattached the Jedi are.

 

[patrickivan]

Personally, I don't know why they didn't have Dooku as the main villan behind it all. He only had his head chopped off and 100% could have used the force to re-attach it to something Sithy.

Never mind. I just remembered that he had his hands cut off first. Not even a Sith master could come back after losing his head AND two hands. After all, you can't pick up sith without any hands.

 

[tcsmit29]

Personally, I don't know why they didn't have Dooku as the main villan behind it all. He only had his head chopped off and 100% could have used the force to re-attach it to something Sithy.
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Never mind. I just remembered that he had his hands cut off first. Not even a Sith master could come back after losing his head AND two hands. After all, you can't pick up sith without any hands.

I must disagree with you here. All you need to do is attach spider legs where the hands were and slap the head back on top. Boom, done, a perfectly good bad guy ready to return.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

Interesting subject I’ve been bring up but keep forgetting.. but now that we have the trilogy as a whole...
What are your guys opinions on the use of Flashback scenes in this trilogy?
For me they’re very weird and I actually really hate them being in these kinda of films tbh.

Once the transition wipes were gone in TLJ, I just resigned myself to this being new SW, with a somewhat similar, but different visual vibe. Maybe because the cinematography was so good (come on, no matter how much you* hate it, you have to admit THAT)? The flashbacks didn't bother me too much, but it's definitely a detour from what's been established. Again, I think the fact that I separated this trilogy in my mind from the OT as screenworthy ancillary material helps coalesce that dissonance for me.

*general "you"