Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

[sztriki]

Just reading Slaughterhouse 5 and came across a bit that I found strangely relevant. So one of the characters is reading a sci-fi book in which an alien is examining the Bible:

The flaw in the ****** stories, said the visitor from outer space, was that ******, who didn't look like much, was actually the Son of the Most Powerful Being in the Universe. Readers understood that, so, when they came to the crucifixion, they naturally thought [...]: Oh, boy-they sure picked the wrong guy to lynch that time! And that thought had a brother: 'There are right people to lynch.' Who? People not well connected. So it goes.
The visitor from outer space made a gift to Earth of a new Gospel. In it, ***** really was a nobody, and a pain in the neck to a lot of people with better connections than he had. He still got to say all the lovely and puzzling things he said in the other Gospels. So the people amused themselves one day by nailing him to a cross and planting the cross in the ground. There couldn't possibly be any repercussions, the lynchers thought. The reader would have to think that, too, since the new Gospel hammered home again and again what a nobody ***** was. And then, just before the nobody died, the heavens opened up, and there was thunder and lightning. The voice of God came crashing down. He told the people that he was adopting the bum as his son giving him the full powers and privileges of The Son of the Creator of the Universe throughout all eternity. God said this From this moment on, He will punish horribly anybody who torments a bum who has no connections!

 

[Joek3rr]

Just reading Slaughterhouse 5 and came across a bit that I found strangely relevant. So one of the characters is reading a sci-fi book in which an alien is examining the Bible:

The flaw in the ****** stories, said the visitor from outer space, was that ******, who didn't look like much, was actually the Son of the Most Powerful Being in the Universe. Readers understood that, so, when they came to the crucifixion, they naturally thought [...]: Oh, boy-they sure picked the wrong guy to lynch that time! And that thought had a brother: 'There are right people to lynch.' Who? People not well connected. So it goes.
The visitor from outer space made a gift to Earth of a new Gospel. In it, ***** really was a nobody, and a pain in the neck to a lot of people with better connections than he had. He still got to say all the lovely and puzzling things he said in the other Gospels. So the people amused themselves one day by nailing him to a cross and planting the cross in the ground. There couldn't possibly be any repercussions, the lynchers thought. The reader would have to think that, too, since the new Gospel hammered home again and again what a nobody ***** was. And then, just before the nobody died, the heavens opened up, and there was thunder and lightning. The voice of God came crashing down. He told the people that he was adopting the bum as his son giving him the full powers and privileges of The Son of the Creator of the Universe throughout all eternity. God said this From this moment on, He will punish horribly anybody who torments a bum who has no connections!

Yeah that's not how that goes.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Just reading Slaughterhouse 5 and came across a bit that I found strangely relevant. So one of the characters is reading a sci-fi book in which an alien is examining the Bible:

The flaw in the ****** stories, said the visitor from outer space, was that ******, who didn't look like much, was actually the Son of the Most Powerful Being in the Universe. Readers understood that, so, when they came to the crucifixion, they naturally thought [...]: Oh, boy-they sure picked the wrong guy to lynch that time! And that thought had a brother: 'There are right people to lynch.' Who? People not well connected. So it goes.
The visitor from outer space made a gift to Earth of a new Gospel. In it, ***** really was a nobody, and a pain in the neck to a lot of people with better connections than he had. He still got to say all the lovely and puzzling things he said in the other Gospels. So the people amused themselves one day by nailing him to a cross and planting the cross in the ground. There couldn't possibly be any repercussions, the lynchers thought. The reader would have to think that, too, since the new Gospel hammered home again and again what a nobody ***** was. And then, just before the nobody died, the heavens opened up, and there was thunder and lightning. The voice of God came crashing down. He told the people that he was adopting the bum as his son giving him the full powers and privileges of The Son of the Creator of the Universe throughout all eternity. God said this From this moment on, He will punish horribly anybody who torments a bum who has no connections!

Yeah that's not how that goes.

Yeah, I get the application of the concept in reference to the ST and Rey being a Palpatine, but it sounds like both the alien in the book and the author of the book don’t really understand the point in that specific context. I’m going to have to agree with Joek3rr on this one.

 

[sztriki]

Not getting into the theological side of it. The ultimate point of the section out of context is not coming through, and that's not the relevant bit. Just brought it as an example how this can be a pretty interesting thing to play with in a story. That is if you know what you're trying to say.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Not getting into the theological side of it. The ultimate point of the section out of context is not coming through, and that's not the relevant bit. Just brought it as an example how this can be a pretty interesting thing to play with in a story. That is if you know what you're trying to say.

No, I agree for sure with the application of the example in reference to TROS and Rey’s parentage. Honestly, my comment was more an aside I probably should have kept to myself.

 

[Joek3rr]

Nah, all I see is one guy misrepresenting Luke Skywalker because he bought in completely to the concept of Ruin Johnson creating Jake Skywalker and others are just pointing that out to him in this thread. This was a modus operandi even when TLJ thread was still a thing. He very rarely commented in it.

Have you ever been wrong about something?

 

[Mr Webber]

Have you ever been wrong about something?

Of course, been right about a lot of stuff as well. Are you asking me if I am wrong about what you quoted or are you telling me I'm wrong?

 

[Joek3rr]

Of course, been right about a lot of stuff as well. Are you asking me if I am wrong about what you quoted or are you telling me I'm wrong?

Just wondering. How do you know if you're not the one misrepresenting Luke Skywalker? I mean you've admitted that you can be wrong about something. So maybe your wrong about Luke Skywalker.

But then maybe I've had to much green milk, and I'm wrong

 

[Mr Webber]

Just wondering. How do you know if you're not the one misrepresenting Luke Skywalker? I mean you've admitted that you can be wrong about something. So maybe your wrong about Luke Skywalker.

But then maybe I've had to much green milk, and I'm wrong

If me being wrong about Jake Skywalker is the only thing you want to highlight about what I said then I'll take that as an affirmation of everything else I said both in that quote and the post that originated it.

 

[JoMamma_Smurf]

Just watched it again last night for like the 5th time. I liked it even more. It gets more fun every time I watch it and the fan service hits hard in the best ways. I still hold that it will be received better and be more appreciated over time, where as TLJ is just HORRIBLE. I tried to go back and re-watch it before seeing TROS again. It was agonizing.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

If me being wrong about Jake Skywalker is the only thing you want to highlight about what I said then I'll take that as an affirmation of everything else I said both in that quote and the post that originated it.

Ehhh... It ain't just one guy keeping the thread alive, though.

And it's Luke. Luke Skywalker.

Just watched it again last night for like the 5th time. I liked it even more. It gets more fun every time I watch it and the fan service hits hard in the best ways. I still hold that it will be received better and be more appreciated over time, where as TLJ is just HORRIBLE. I tried to go back and re-watch it before seeing TROS again. It was agonizing.

I agree with exactly half of this. But that's totally cool, because how boring would things be if we ALL, ALWAYS, agreed on EVERYTHING, right?

 

[Spyhunter2k]

And it's Luke. Luke Skywalker.

Tell that to Mark Hamill.

I mean, Rian Johnson certainly tried to. And Mark said...riiiiight. He was only able to play the character written for him in TLJ by imagining that the character wasn't Luke at all. He was the one that invented the "Jake Skywalker" moniker to describe the strange alter-ego of Luke we got--not the fans. We're just agreeing with him.

But feel free to keep correcting us. I'm sure Rian was also frustrated when he kept having to replace Mark's scripts because Mark had crossed out "Luke" and written "Jake" next to all of his lines. "It's 'Luke'!"

Nope.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

Tell that to Mark Hamill.

I mean, Rian Johnson certainly tried to. And Mark said...riiiiight. He was only able to play the character written for him in TLJ by imagining that the character wasn't Luke at all. He was the one that invented the "Jake Skywalker" moniker to describe the strange alter-ego of Luke we got--not the fans. We're just agreeing with him.

But feel free to keep correcting us. I'm sure Rian was also frustrated when he kept having to replace Mark's scripts because Mark had crossed out "Luke" and written "Jake" next to all of his lines. "It's 'Luke'!"

Nope.

Wait, I thought "Ruin" Johnson created him.

I know that Hamill allegedly used that to help him get through portraying a version of "Luke" he felt was inconsistent with the Luke of the OT. Method acting techniques aside, the character on screen is Luke Skywalker.

No frustration here. I actually find it kind of comical.

 

[Mr Webber]

Ehhh... It ain't just one guy keeping the thread alive, though.

And it's Luke. Luke Skywalker.

You're right. Its one guy and you saying its not. Even that guy didn't even bother to address it but rather try to get me to play the very same game I called him out for in the first place and then you go and try the exact same thing.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

You're right. Its one guy and you saying its not. Even that guy didn't even bother to address it but rather try to get me to play the very same game I called him out for in the first place and then you go and try the exact same thing.

I do what I do, "There is no try."

You know the thread only dies if no one else posts, right? That includes you. I wanted the Episode IX Pre-Release thread to die, so I did my part and stopped posting in it. Obviously, I can't singlehandedly make that happen, but I can put an end to what I'm doing to keep it going. See? Actions. I can't complain about the thread going on and on while continuing to contribute to it.

"But you were the last one to post in it, DA!" Yup. Poetic, innit?

 

[Mr Webber]

I do what I do, "There is no try."

You know the thread only dies if no one else posts, right? That includes you. I wanted the Episode IX Pre-Release thread to die, so I did my part and stopped posting in it. Obviously, I can't singlehandedly make that happen, but I can put an end to what I'm doing to keep it going. See? Actions. I can't complain about the thread going on and on while continuing to contribute to it.

"But you were the last one to post in it, DA!" Yup. Poetic, innit?

Could you be more basic? When the last five pages of the last "Star Wars" movie thead out for only five weeks is 95% about Ruin Johnsons take on Jake Skywalker then the thread is already dead. I'm not playing your games, you're playing mine.

 

[jhazard]

Maybe the movie is just dead?

Its overshadowed by the shortcomings of the previous film. If nothing else, ROS is fun to look at, in the way people vote for a lessor offensive looking political candidate. TLJ is much harder to look at and contains more egregious flaws (in the opinion of some, including me). Successful or not, JJ was trying to appease fandom (maybe?) While RJ in effect flipped a bunch of us off.

That's why TLJ will still be at the forefront of SW conversation. How I see it anyhow.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

I'm not playing your games, you're playing mine.

Sick burn, bro.

As much as I love Star Wars (and that's A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT), I don't take anything about it seriously enough to be even remotely phased by whatever you wanna call this playful exchange I'm having with you. It's nothing more than that to me. If this is anything but comical to you, maybe you're reading way too far into this. Then again, you're the grown man calling another grown man names. As much as I disliked the prequels, I never started calling the creator "George Puke-as" or some silly **** like that.

Take the same advice I gave myself: You want the thread to go away? Stop contributing to it. Otherwise, stop complaining about it not dying.

Tangentially related--When the prequels were released, I felt like Star Wars was dead, too. For the first time in my life, I was almost embarrassed to be a fan. You'll get over this, man. I promise. We'll always have the OT, nothing can take that away from us.

 

[Mr Webber]

Sick burn, bro.

As much as I love Star Wars (and that's A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT), I don't take anything about it seriously enough to be even remotely phased by whatever you wanna call this playful exchange I'm having with you. It's nothing more than that to me. If this is anything but comical to you, maybe you're reading way too far into this. Then again, you're the grown man calling another grown man names. As much as I disliked the prequels, I never started calling the creator "George Puke-as" or some silly **** like that.

Take the same advice I gave myself: You want the thread to go away? Stop contributing to it. Otherwise, stop complaining about it not dying.

Tangentially related--When the prequels were released, I felt like Star Wars was dead, too. For the first time in my life, I was almost embarrassed to be a fan. You'll get over this, man. I promise. We'll always have the OT, nothing can take that away from us.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Boy, at this point, hasn’t this thread become a party where most everyone has left, save for a few stragglers, and it’s time to turnout the lights and call it a night?

I mean, the movie was released over a month ago and most everyone has seen it, by now, and formed their opinions...