Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

[DaddyfromNaboo]

IMO the biggest diffence between PT and OT and the ST is that apparently tje ST is MUCH closer to Lucas original idea about using Serials as a template. While in a series time goes by between episodes and each episode can stand alone, in a serial the episodes are continuously telling the story and you should not miss one episode.

So what have we here? I think we are looking at a different way of storytelling, wven compared to the maevel movies.

 

[gedmac66]

I'm not referring to any specifically. I was just explaining why the OT is seemingly being criticized. But to answer your question, the comparison between Snoke and The Emperor comes to mind. A lot of people seem really bothered with how Snoke was handled. No backstory or explanation as to how he came to power. Prior to the prequels, the very same thing could be said of The Emperor. We didn't need exposition for that character then, why do we need it for this character now? That's just one example.

Fair enough point regarding the need for ‘ exposition ‘ . The thing that’s different though is that the Emperor was only mentioned in passing in the first and second films ( OT ) - he wasn’t really needed to further , or explain why things were the way they were at that time . It was a given ( until the PT ) .
Snoke on the other hand was introduced at the beginning of this trilogy as a significant character . Someone powerful and in league with the major antagonist . He’s then discarded before any explanation as to who , what and why he was so influential ? Will there be any films made in the future to explain his history ? After all , would Ben Solo have become Kylo Ren if it wasn’t for Snoke ?

 

[Toadmeister]

Fair enough point regarding the need for ‘ exposition ‘ . The thing that’s different though is that the Emperor was only mentioned in passing in the first and second films ( OT ) - he wasn’t really needed to further , or explain why things were the way they were at that time . It was a given ( until the PT ) .
Snoke on the other hand was introduced at the beginning of this trilogy as a significant character . Someone powerful and in league with the major antagonist . He’s then discarded before any explanation as to who , what and why he was so influential ? Will there be any films made in the future to explain his history ? After all , would Ben Solo have become Kylo Ren if it wasn’t for Snoke ?

True Story, when I saw ESB in the theaters as a kid in 1980, I really had no clue who this Emperor hologram was that Vader was kneeling to. In hindsight he was mentioned in ANH but I figured (at the time), Vader bowed to no one!

By late 1982/early 1983 rumors were going round that the Emperor would be prominently featured in ROTJ. Watching it in theaters as a 9 year old in 1983 I didn't know why Vader and Jerjerod were so intimidated by him at first, right up to when Luke is brought to The Emperor and ZAP! Luke gets fried by Force lighting. Holy crap, I remember jumping out of my seat! Only than did it resonate with me that the Emperor was a master of the dark side.

Sidious/Palatine's story arch in the prequels was very underrated IMHO. Ian McDirmond deserved an Oscar. UNLIMITED POWER!

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[ghostryder]

 

[Apollo]

Pfft you are to kind, I don't give it 6 months before buyers remorse sets in!

Isn't it amazing that a lot of people who love TLJ are hyper critical of the OT to try and justify TLJ'S flaws. The OT has stood the test of time. In ten years I sincerely doubt TLJ will hold up so well, or be remembered fondly.

 

[Psab keel]

The OT isn't perfect, but there is a reason why those films became the cultural milestones that they did. My distaste for TLJ is largely in part because it disregarded a lot of what came before it with what came across to me as a certain amount of flippancy.
The Last Jedi had some interesting elements and had they been explored more they could have been interesting and enriched the saga.

 

[Zuiun]

Isn't it amazing that a lot of people who love TLJ are hyper critical of the OT to try and justify TLJ'S flaws. The OT has stood the test of time. In ten years I sincerely doubt TLJ will hold up so well, or be remembered fondly.

To be fair, I have been hyper critical of the flaws in the original trilogy for as long as I can remember. The original trilogy films are not beacons of perfection, no matter how much our nostalgia tries to convince us otherwise.

I can rag on the plot holes, shoe-horned family drama, and lame jokes all day long, and yet it still doesn't detract from my overall love of the films.

Having said that, I honestly wonder what the reception of these films would be if they were released today. I feel like we have a culture of divisiveness and feedback loops. To paraphrase one of the most idiotic lines from Batman v Superman: "If we believe there is a 1% chance that something sucks, then we must take it as an absolute certainty."

 

[doctorDWwho]

Alternate version:
FINN: 'General, we don't know how the First Order are tracking us. By the way, that's a nice ring you're wearing'

LEIA: 'yes, it's a mystery how they are doing it. Oh, this ring, yes it's a beacon to allow Rey to find us anywhere'.

FINN: 'So it's a homing beacon?'

LEIA: .....

Mystery solved. More plausible than the convoluted explanation they came up with.

Which would have sparked a cool story itself: they need Luke and Rey to be able to find them to help them, but the only link to them that they have is what's allowing them to be followed.

 

[Zuiun]

Fair enough point regarding the need for ‘ exposition ‘ . The thing that’s different though is that the Emperor was only mentioned in passing in the first and second films ( OT ) - he wasn’t really needed to further , or explain why things were the way they were at that time . It was a given ( until the PT ) .
Snoke on the other hand was introduced at the beginning of this trilogy as a significant character . Someone powerful and in league with the major antagonist . He’s then discarded before any explanation as to who , what and why he was so influential ? Will there be any films made in the future to explain his history ? After all , would Ben Solo have become Kylo Ren if it wasn’t for Snoke ?

I would argue that Snoke wasn't "discarded." Rather, he served a very specific purpose: to give Kylo Ren something to destroy in order to solidify his place as the main antagonist of the trilogy. Just like the Emperor's purpose in the original trilogy was to give Vader something to destroy to solidify his redemption.

Given that Kylo keeps insisting that he has to destroy the past in order to realize his true potential, it only makes absolute sense that he would have to eliminate Snoke, and doing so now rather than later allows his character to become the focus on the third film.

 

[JD]

Thing's I'm happy didn't happen in The Last Jedi

- no gray Jedi
- Kylo didn't turn
- Rey didn't turn
- Luke didn't turn
- Snoke wasn't The First Jedi
- Rey isn't a Kenobi
- Rey isn't a Palpatine
- No new Death Star
- No Rey double bladed lightsaber

 

[doctorDWwho]

I'm not referring to any specifically. I was just explaining why the OT is seemingly being criticized. But to answer your question, the comparison between Snoke and The Emperor comes to mind. A lot of people seem really bothered with how Snoke was handled. No backstory or explanation as to how he came to power. Prior to the prequels, the very same thing could be said of The Emperor. We didn't need exposition for that character then, why do we need it for this character now? That's just one example.

The difference is that the OT were the first movies. The universe was only as big as what was shownor spoken of in those three films. Not SIX other movies that show what came before it. That's why snoke needs a backstory: where was he during the OT, and why should we take him seriously in these movies? He came out of the blue simply for the sake of being a new emperor figure.

Pfft you are to kind, I don't give it 6 months before buyers remorse sets in!

Just wait for it to be fashionable to pick it apart like what happened with TFA...

 

[Mr Webber]

Nitpicking?

 

[kristen jones]

My distaste for TLJ is largely in part because it disregarded a lot of what came before it with what came across to me as a certain amount of flippancy.
The Last Jedi had some interesting elements and had they been explored more they could have been interesting and enriched the saga.

What exactly did you feel it disregarded?

 

[Snikt]

What exactly did you feel it disregarded?

Everything I mentioned pages back for one. The significance of lukes lightsabre, reys parentage, how the force "worked", who snoke was, why kylo went bad, Lukes character in general...

Also, I dont get how Hux went from semi-capable general to bumbling buffoon in the span of a few minutes in screen time. Every scene he is in either shows his incompetence, or makes a joke out of him.

 

[kristen jones]

Thing's I'm happy didn't happen in The Last Jedi

- no gray Jedi
- Kylo didn't turn
- Rey didn't turn
- Luke didn't turn
- Snoke wasn't The First Jedi
- Rey isn't a Kenobi
- Rey isn't a Palpatine
- No new Death Star
- No Rey double bladed lightsaber

Absolutely agreed!

 

[Mr Webber]

Thing's I'm happy didn't happen in The Last Jedi

- no gray Jedi
- Kylo didn't turn
- Rey didn't turn
- Luke didn't turn
- Snoke wasn't The First Jedi
- Rey isn't a Kenobi
- Rey isn't a Palpatine
- No new Death Star
- No Rey double bladed lightsaber

I would be happy if just one of those things, any one, happened in the TLJ, it would have injected at least some gravity into the story

 

[Psab keel]

The importance of developing Rey as a character. The fact that Luke was even contemplating murdering his nephew in his sleep despite risking his life to save Vader in ROTJ was s blatant disregard to Luke's triumph. There are other ways Luke could have been jaded with the Force and the Jedi without having his character contradicted.

Having so much slapstick humor undermined all of the character's struggles.

 

[Greenie]

Well, saw it again hoping that experiencing it once already and knowing what was coming would allow me to see it from another perspective. Wrong, I am still sad and immediately came home and took a rape shower as I'm out another $18.00. I guess I'll start hanging out in the "Funny/cool pictures" thread, maybe that will lift my spirits.

One phrase in that post made me cry with laughter. :lol Two hours of The Empire Strikes Back will help cleanse the Mind............for a while.

 

[Jaitea]

I'm not referring to any specifically. I was just explaining why the OT is seemingly being criticized. But to answer your question, the comparison between Snoke and The Emperor comes to mind. A lot of people seem really bothered with how Snoke was handled. No backstory or explanation as to how he came to power. Prior to the prequels, the very same thing could be said of The Emperor. We didn't need exposition for that character then, why do we need it for this character now? That's just one example.

The problem is that we all have seen the Empire fall,....peace restored in the galaxy.....the two evil force users destroyed.......then 30 years later in the ST,....everything is set up again.....how & why....was Snoke around at the end of the OT....where did he come from.....its like you killed all the bad guys in a sealed room.....then you turn round & there are more of them....where did they come from

Thats the difference between the Emperor & Snoke......we didnt need to know how Palps got into power

J

 

[Axlotl]

I wasnt around in 1980, what did you old timers think when it was released in 1980 vs how revered it is now? Empire Strikes Back I mean.

I thought it was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen.