Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

  • It was great. Loved it. Don't miss it at the theaters.

    Votes: 154 26.6%

  • It was good. Liked it very much. Worth the theater visit.

    Votes: 135 23.4%

  • It was okay. Not too pleased with it. Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video.

    Votes: 117 20.2%

  • It was disappointing. Watch it on home video instead.

    Votes: 70 12.1%

  • It was bad. Don't waste your time with it.

    Votes: 102 17.6%
  • Total voters
    578
Luke thinking he should kill Ben is likely meant to highlight the continued inner-struggle that plagues the Skywalkers between the dark and light side of the force. Luke has had this inside him in the OT - he had to overcome pulls from the dark side on Dagobah and when he fought Vader in ROTJ; So my take away is that he recognized that he was always going to be dealing with this - and that his decision to close himself off from the force was his resolve to take himself out of the balance equation.

It's fun to speculate about all of this but it does get pretty pseudo-philosophical after a while. I don't think he acted out of character though - he took it really hard that he was ready to kill his nephew because even despite being a Jedi master, he almost succumbed to fear (of Ben)
 
seelsa73 said:
Except he did exist, it's called Return of the Jedi. It's also called canon novels. Also called canon comics. Also called canon video games. Maybe they didn't portray him as a saint, but they didn't portray him as a heartless coward, even if it was a fleeting moment.
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By that rationale anyone who has one moment of doubt instantly becomes a bad person for life. Yeah, no, sorry. Thats not how humans work. We're multifaceted, nuanced, and layered imperfect creatures. Seriously, you sound like a child throwing a tantrum, kicking and screaming on the ground how its not fair and that you want your hero back now. Sure, Veruca. Whatever you say.
 
So what have we learned?

Narratively and based on real human responses Luke is perfectly capable of having moments of pure clarity and moments of terrifying indecision. He realizes, as we all should, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. But even after all that he can still talk to Yoda, get his s$&t together, and go out and be LEGEND. I want to see that movie! Oh, wait..
 
Its pretty clear that if Mark Hamill had the same clout in the industry as Harrison Ford does, this would have been a completely different movie.

One other thing and I`m gunna let this go, It sits uneasy in my guts when incredibly wealthy people try to give me a lesson on the evils of capitalism and personal wealth in any situation let alone in the Star Wars universe. Pathetic. And on animal cruely...theres an old Wampa out there who will never play the piano again.
 
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seelsa73 said:
Except he did exist, it's called Return of the Jedi. It's also called canon novels. Also called canon comics. Also called canon video games. Maybe they didn't portray him as a saint, but they didn't portray him as a heartless coward, even if it was a fleeting moment.
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Was this conversation about Luke briefly thinking about killing Kilo?? solitude on the island?

That doesnt make him a Saint nor a coward.. Luke was no Saint..nor was he ever (in my life time) a coward..
 
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JoeG said:
By that rationale anyone who has one moment of doubt instantly becomes a bad person for life. Yeah, no, sorry. Thats not how humans work. We're multifaceted, nuanced, and layered imperfect creatures. Seriously, you sound like a child throwing a tantrum, kicking and screaming on the ground how its not fair and that you want your hero back now. Sure, Veruca. Whatever you say.
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So you're saying if I pointed a gun at your face with the obvious intent to use it but then thought better of it, you would think me a good man and give me a pass and not call the cops on me because "hey, you didn't use it, that's the important thing?" I highly doubt that.

Yes, it's human to have doubts and fears and make mistakes, but it's a whole other thing to think about killing someone to the point where you're ready to actually do it. That's sociopathic.

But hey, if you're fine with Luke doing a complete 180 from a good man who makes mistakes yet learns from them to a man who would come extremely close to killing someone without - and this, more than anything else, is the crux of my argument - making an attempt to avoid such a scenario or to not do a damn thing to rectify the situation even if he did, more power to you. I personally don't accept that. I do not accept that from Luke and I sure as hell don't accept that irl.



DarthLee said:
That doesnt make him a Saint nor a coward.. Luke was no Saint..nor was he ever (in my life time) a coward..
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The coward part comes in when he refuses to rectify the situation and in fact cuts himself of from everything and everyone.
 
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Slow down peeps... I even have to tell myself... Its still just Star Wars (a made up fictional universe)... not real life... the same rules do not apply
 
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So, was reading the new TLJ cross section book (VERY cool by the way) and 2 things pop out

1) Kylo Ren's Tie Silencer had a lot of prototype heavy weapons on it. So probably the ordinary ties could not do the same level of damage. With both the prototype and Kylo in it they did not want him to get blown up with no capital ship support. The group of ordinary ties that launched with Kylo got blown up.

2)The transports did have the baffler system (made by Rose and introduced in the new book Cobalt Squadron) which got nicknamed the "poor man's cloak". So just a system that masked power readings unless you were scanning in the space that the ships were. So they probably were not "actively" scanning due to their focus on the capital ship. Once DJ tells them the plan they do a bit more widespread or higher power scan and discover the transports.
 
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karmajay said:
So, was reading the new TLJ cross section book (VERY cool by the way) and 2 things pop out

1) Kylo Ren's Tie Silencer had a lot of prototype heavy weapons on it. So probably the ordinary ties could not do the same level of damage. With both the prototype and Kylo in it they did not want him to get blown up with no capital ship support. The group of ordinary ties that launched with Kylo got blown up.

2)The transports did have the baffler system (made by Rose and introduced in the new book Cobalt Squadron) which got nicknamed the "poor man's cloak". So just a system that masked power readings unless you were scanning in the space that the ships were. So they probably were not "actively" scanning due to their focus on the capital ship. Once DJ tells them the plan they do a bit more widespread or higher power scan and discover the transports.
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Ok..

1)so Kilo had a bad a&s ship...ok

2)....they were close enough to look out a window... i know space it dark...but geezz....

ok Lee...."just relax...its a made up fantasy world...the same rules do not apply"
 
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DarthLee said:
Ok..

1)so Kilo had a bad a&s ship...ok

2)....they were close enough to look out a window
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Again, why weren't the first order doing continual bombing runs? There is no sensical reason for this pursuit.

It was like watching the Spaceballs comb the desert

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Mr Webber said:
And I`m sorry for you that you think that. Should I consider you an authoritative source?
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Me? I'm just some dude on the internet. And not even the kind of dude who thinks my opinion is so important that I need to record a 10 minute defense of TLJ and upload it to youtube.

But youtube's algorithm is meant to show you similar videos, it's very literally the echo chamber Bryan was talking about earlier. The fact that you saw a video on youtube, or a handful of videos on youtube, that didn't like TLJ means nothing.

Here, watch something positive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpOpykiOWVc
 
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