Jaitea
Master Member
First and foremost, it's a film.....& really when the story & script is full of holes thats a problem.....but these holes can be mended by saying it's a fairy tale?
J
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)
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First and foremost, it's a film.....& really when the story & script is full of holes thats a problem.....but these holes can be mended by saying it's a fairy tale?
J
robn1
Master Member
I don't see an X-wing taking out a Stardestroyer that way, I figure it all depends on the power output of the hyperdrive. The drive from Padme's ship was about the size of a large refrigerator, the Falcon's is probably about the same. Nothing that large on an X-wing, it 's drive is more suitcase sized. A big ship like a Mon Cal cruiser's would be like a freight car at least, and would have a larger power output to match.
And it's just not a practical tactic, you'd lose as many ships in the process as you take out.
JD
Master Member
Well, that started in TFA when Starkiller base was able to destroy a system by shooting through hyperspace.
Greenie
Sr Member
Four of those questions were answered
The Brahma Bull
Sr Member
Well... the answers are a big issue.
mattycsi
Master Member
1)Rey's parents: Maybe. Fan conjecture on both sides of the fence still undecided as to whether Kylo is being truthful. Half a point.
2)Snoke's history: Not even a little bit.
3)Whats the deal with Luke's lightsaber: Nada
4)How did Kylo go bad: Something to do with Snoke, which we already knew, nothing extra here.
5)Is luke the hero we're expecting him to be?: not really, no. He's a bum. Some people think it works, so I'll give you half a point.
I make it one full question answered, if you add up a couple halves.
Solo4114
Master Member
Oh no...please tell me Ronald D. Moore is not running all of this behind the scenes!!! [emoji6]
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Solo4114
Master Member
I had a similar experience after the PT, which is one reason I'm sympathetic to the folks who are unhappy with this new one. I understand the feeling that Star Wars is moving on from you, and feeling like a girlfriend just dumped you for a dude with a sports car.
My advice is...try to get past that feeling (which I know is not easy) and focus on the good. Towards that end, as crazy as it may sound, look into the "EU" stuff. Novels, comics, new TV shows, new games, whatever. Just try to find the good stuff and focus on that.
There are some long time posters here who I'm sure have seen my rants about the PT. I...do not like it. I get the story it was trying to tell, but I don't think it did so effectively, and I don't find it interesting in any event. My own "head canon" version is better (to me and probably only me).
AND YET, it hasn't diminished my love of the stuff that I still love. It did for a while. I won't lie about that. It's tough to go from feeling like you're the target market to feeling like you're irrelevant. And it's tough to unsee what you've seen. ("Head canon" only gets ya so far, after all...) But work past that and hold on to what you still enjoy. You'll always have Hoth (So to speak).
I'll also say that I suggest looking at the "EU" stuff chiefly because of how I grew to really like the Clone Wars cartoon, which in turn got me to be able to appreciate the prequel era, if not the PT films themselves. So, even with my hate of the PT itself, I still found something to enjoy, which I choose to focus on instead. It might even one day get me to rewatch the PT in a less critical/harsh light.
Might.
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Zuiun
Sr Member
So say we all.
FFS. You are being so pedantic it does my head in. I clearly understood the intent of the scene, you didn’t. Moving on, mate.
Jaitea
Master Member
Dear oh dear,....sorry to rattle you Bryan
It is hard to take you seriously though, no matter if you curse
J
No, it’s ok, I’m used to poorly considered comments here, par for the course.
sztriki
Sr Member
THIS! I was thinking exactly the same thing when I started to think about the movie just after watching it, it's like Into Darkness. It looks okayish when you watch it story-wise but when you think back it doesn't make a lot of sense. And I'm gonna go out and say it: just like the Jabba's palace sequence, Luke's plan makes very little sense if you think the whole thing through. But it's like nearly 1.5 of Jabba's palace plan and 1hrs+ shenanigans.
I fortunately can but it took me some mental blocking. The problem is that those are three movies that I just don't like at all and that's it, end of story. I really like TFA though and I either flush that down too or somehow embrace TLJ. Or start writing awful fan-fiction.
I'm fine with Snoke not having a massive backstory or a detailed report on Kylo going bad. Especially not interested in some "epic" tale how Luke's severed hand was found by an ugnaught cleaning a toilet. The issue I have is that these doors are closed now more or less and no new ones were opened to go, essentially RJ wrote the story into a corner.
This is a very good point. Rich Evans said in their review that TLJ feels like a movie that sets up the Saturday morning cartoon show where Resistance fights First Order. We probably can add many many video games to that too.
That makes sense, problem is the movie doesn't do a good job communicating it. He bluntly says "I came here to die" after the whole training the Jedi/Ben thing went pear-shaped. There might be more sense to it like you say but again the execution of that idea is just poor. It's like when BB-8 was driving the walker, I said why didn't the walker just appear, shoot the baddies then we can have a shot of BB-8 fiddling with a terminal obviously controlling the walker remotely? Same story, same outcome but much better execution.
THIS!!!!
And the little kids knew it from where...? I'll go to Cpt Jack Sparrow, "No survivors? Then where do the stories come from, I wonder?". There were a handful of people who survived it and they were fleeing the scene as Luke made his last stand, Rey and Leia only felt that Luke died peacefully. As I said before if it was say televised, Kylo said we need to have the cameras on so the galaxy sees how we crush the rebellion and then Luke shows up, then yep, makes sense. But in the end he just died for no logical reason.
I honestly wish that this was the case. I said before I don't fundamentally hate the decisions made here about Rey, Snoke, Ren or even Luke. It's the execution, plot, pacing, conclusions and outlook on the future I have issues with and I really don't get why everyone says this film is a game-changer in Star Wars when the basic setup is still exactly the same as before. This is another thing I love about ESB, apart from Hoth it moves away from the whole Empire vs Rebels war thing and deals with personal issues.
See, this is where I realized I don't like this movie. I DID try to rationalize it after I saw it that it was probably my expectations and I just need to get used to it. I DID try to pick out the bits I enjoyed and appreciated. And when I realized that I did the exact same thing with Phantom Menace before admitting to myself that it was rubbish I realized that TLJ is not gonna fly with me.
Exactly same feelings towards prequels. And now TLJ too...
I agree with this very much except for the fact that TFA is unavoidably linked to TLJ and I happen to like TFA.
Nah, been there, it doesn't work...:lol I watch the Plinkett reviews when I feel PT-y.
I actually rewatched TFA today. It's just astonishing the way that movie sets up a million ways for the story to go and nearly nothing has a payoff or a clever continuation. I understand everyone who complains about JJ and his mystery box. But nobody can deny that there was a huge space (no pun intended) to develop this story.
- Rey's lineage: closed. May be retconned saying as a lie, I'm okay with Rey being Rey, in fact I'm happy for it. But it's a plotline that's closed pretty much.
- Snoke: Again, I'm fine with killing him off and not revealing the whole backstory. The scene played out a bit dumb when he spelled out what was going to happen for everyone but hey ho. Again, that storyline is closed, can't really see it retconned.
- Luke: well that's closed. As mentioned above all TFA says is "Luke felt responsible and went to find the first Jedi temple". Then it was quickly reduced to "I came here to die" and do nothing.
- Finn unconscious and heavily injured: paid off in a prickling diaper suit joke. What if they were bold and make him a cripple? Like Oracle in Batman. Or a cyborg and he has to come to terms with being half a machine...Or do ANYTHING with him being sliced up and damaged? Nope, out like he was new and back to square one.
- Phasma: the less said the better
- Knights of Ren: Huh? Not even addressed, so it's not like these are kept for Ep9, simply forgotten.
- Rey's force visions: Same as above.
All these plot threads are pretty much closed off and there's hardly anything new to follow through in Ep9. And most of these plot threads are closed off without doing anything really interesting with them, it's either a passive-aggressive move or nobody had any ideas or were just really lazy. I don't know really...
Also, I really don't get why they had to make Poe the ******* of TLJ. There was literally nothing in TFA that suggested he had to have this story arc. In fact, when they crash the TIE the first thing he does is gets off Jakku and reports back at the Resistance instead of some stupid heroic trip to find BB-8.
If they wanted to give him an arc, how's that: Leia is incapacitated or even dead, rest of the seniors died on the bridge and he gets to be in charge and needs to learn ON THE JOB how to lead a bigger thing than a fighter squadron. Relatable situation to most moviegoers, allows natural character development and realistic conflicts.
I also expected Holdo to be a traitor, not a coward as it was implied and the reason why FO can track them. I think that would have made more sense story-wise and more reason for Poe to do his own thing if he suspected her instead of Holdo simply not telling anyone anything just because (albeit a more predictable plot line). Or as someone else suggested, have SOMEONE on the ship as a potential traitor and play up the insecurities and paranoia. Would make more sense again.
And if anyone wants to see a good movie which is mostly a slower-paced chase watch Hunt for the Red October. They could have made a story similar to that, it was still full of tension, obstacles to overcome for both our heroes and their enemies (more for Hux and Phasma to do), lots of personal conflicts, and there would have been no need for Rose and Finn to spend their time on the casino planet.
cboath
Master Member
1. True
2. It's not pertinent. You never got backstory on the emperor until 1999. The story was the resistance vs the FO. We didn't get he story of how the resistance came to be (on screen) either.
3. Who said it had to be answered in TLJ? We're now seeing the story basically from the POV of Rey/Finn/Poe. They don't care how the saber came to be. Perhaps part of ix will be her taking it to Maz to see if she knows how to fix it and the story comes out. It'll likely be a one or two sentence explanation though.
4. Again, not relevant to this story. We might like/want to know - but it hasn't been germane to the current storyline. Just like the OT, we never knew how vader turned either - not until 2005.
5. We got 'an' answer, just not the one we wanted it to be - or one remotely close to what we wanted it to be.
Jaitea
Master Member
Mr Webber
Master Member
I read recently the plan was to kill off his character in TFA but they liked the actor so much they decided to keep him around. Poe was one of the few things about TFA that actually hit the mark with me and what they did to him in TLJ highlights more than anything how creativity was the first casualty of this race to the money.
The Brahma Bull
Sr Member
Watching TFA the first time was a very big disappointment for me, not as much as TLJ, but on the level of creativity and copying from ANH. I watched TFA several times now and i can appreciate it more. It was a "save" movie with a well known arc and setting, but at the same time it really got stuff set up, which I didn't realize in his whole on the first run. So it's even more disappointing to me how poorly that was continued in TLJ.
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