Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

For me, it was Camie. And a general loathing for Fixer that he got her.

--Jonah

 

[gizmo]

Look, this debate about the inclusion of women in the OT is a complete and utter waste of time. The films were a product of their time and the singular vision of one man. The PT was also that one singular vision and left a lot to be desired from both a story standpoint and a diversification of cast standpoint. Fine. This is NOT GEORGE LUCAS STAR WARS anymore, this is about The Force Awakens with an entirely new and diverse creative team and vision for the future.

This. I think its been flogged to death about the women issue and the PT quality issue. It's iver and done. Let's move on to more exciting times ahead.


Ben

 

[Bryancd]

This. I think its been flogged to death about the women issue and the PT quality issue. It's iver and done. Let's move on to more exciting times ahead.


Ben

Indeed! We have for all intents and purposes the most racially and gender diverse cast ever for a new Star Wars film series, we have stores like Target making their toy sections gender neutral, let's give kudos to doing things right rather than argue about stuff that was done previously wrong, or perhaps more to the point, period specific.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm excited to find out why 3PO has a red arm. Did he lose it in a combat mission? Did he beat Chewie at holo chess? Will they make a cartoon that covers what happened? Oh the possibilities!!

I just want to know how they can buy new X-Wings, but can't even match the frigging color on his arm when they fix him!

 

[batguy]

Can't match it?

Maybe they didn't bother to match it. Maybe they were short on parts and they hastily fixed him. Etc.

 

[glunark]

He had a silver leg for the entire trilogy, noone seems bothered by that.

 

[Riceball]

I just want to know how they can buy new X-Wings, but can't even match the frigging color on his arm when they fix him!

Who says that he belongs to the New Rebels? Perhaps whoever owns him now is poor? Maybe Luke ran into some money issues at some point and couldn't afford to fix 3P0's arm proudly, I'd imagine that being a Jedi trying to reestablish the Jedi Order doesn't exactly pay that well.

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[niennumb1]

I really think it's terrible these days that everyone gets so charged over anything that gets made. Over-analyzing stories and accusing writers or studios of being racist or sexist by including/not including certain types of people or personalities or from certain nationalities.

Sometimes stories don't have all those things because the story wasn't centered around needing to serve an audience that is so overly sensitive about having an all-inclusive everything in it.

Did anyone ever cry and moan over Stand By Me? A movie about a group of boys who wanted to go find a dead body? Did ANYONE get so livid that they were all white kids? Oh my gosh... THERE WAS NO GIRLS IN IT?! Now we're not including women! This studio is outrageous... right? We need to remake this now with an all-girl cast now. Everyone has a story and it's not always a story about everyone for everyone. The story just calls for what the idea was about and not intended to disclude anyone.

I've never seen such a society of offended-by-everything people in my life. Or maybe they've always been offended, but now there's the powerful social media platform to voice it on.

I think Star Wars showed ultimate acceptance long ago and took it far further than human acceptance. Lucas showed UNIVERSE acceptance of aliens living among other aliens and humans, something I don't think this world would ever be ready for seeing how hard it is for humans to all get along as it is. The only resentment I remember seeing is Han Solo's attitude toward droids.

 

[DakGibralter]

Who says that he belongs to the New Rebels? Perhaps whoever owns him now is poor? Maybe Luke ran into some money issues at some point and couldn't afford to fix 3P0's arm proudly, I'd imagine that being a Jedi trying to reestablish the Jedi Order doesn't exactly pay that well.

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I think it's just in line with the SW universe looking lived-in. I think that across the OT, the only people who cared about perfection were the Empire. Leia's a princess with two filthy droids, Han's the best smuggler in the galaxy who drives a beat up pile of junk, the most notorious crime lord on Tatooine is a slug who eats frogs and has a rusty palace with a sand floor.

I like that across all walks of life (with the possible exception of the Empire), this is just not a universe that is concerned with having shiny, clean or new things. I'm curious to know how Threepio lost his arm, but I already know why it stays red - our heroes are more concerned with the big problems, and perfection isn't and shouldn't be one of them.

That's one of the many things that bothered me about the PT - there was too much opulence, too much shininess, too much order and quiet. I don't know that I like the implication that the OT's griminess is a result of some galactic depression - The civil war informs that, of course, but I prefer to think this is just a scrappy galaxy full of ancient technology, well used objects and people with better things to worry about.

 

[astroboy]

I really think it's terrible these days that everyone gets so charged over anything that gets made. Over-analyzing stories and accusing writers or studios of being racist or sexist by including/not including certain types of people or personalities or from certain nationalities.

Sometimes stories don't have all those things because the story wasn't centered around needing to serve an audience that is so overly sensitive about having an all-inclusive everything in it.

Did anyone ever cry and moan over Stand By Me? A movie about a group of boys who wanted to go find a dead body? Did ANYONE get so livid that they were all white kids? Oh my gosh... THERE WAS NO GIRLS IN IT?! Now we're not including women! This studio is outrageous... right? We need to remake this now with an all-girl cast now. Everyone has a story and it's not always a story about everyone for everyone. The story just calls for what the idea was about and not intended to disclude anyone.

I've never seen such a society of offended-by-everything people in my life. Or maybe they've always been offended, but now there's the powerful social media platform to voice it on.

I think Star Wars showed ultimate acceptance long ago and took it far further than human acceptance. Lucas showed UNIVERSE acceptance of aliens living among other aliens and humans, something I don't think this world would ever be ready for seeing how hard it is for humans to all get along as it is. The only resentment I remember seeing is Han Solo's attitude toward droids.

There's a difference when a movie is about a specific gender. Stand by me was about four boys (His mom was a woman a character). Das boot was about men who were soldiers on a submarine. The sisterhood of the travelling pants was about women.

But when you make a movie that is simply about people....things get a little odd when everyone falls into some homogeneous type. It kinda sticks out like a swore thumb. It didn't used to. But it does now.

SO much has happened in the last couple of years in regards to women in hollywood. The sony leaks regarding the wage gap, the bechdel test, Bill Cosby, that whole thing where Maggie Gyllenhaal was considered too old to be the love interest of a 55 year old actor.

I realize that this is so much further than simply star wars but at this point, when someone casts a film where 95% of the actors are men and the only woman is there for eye candy or to support the quest of the man, it starts to feel as if that it's on purpose. The curtain has been pulled

 

[astroboy]

I think it's just in line with the SW universe looking lived-in. I think that across the OT, the only people who cared about perfection were the Empire. Leia's a princess with two filthy droids, Han's the best smuggler in the galaxy who drives a beat up pile of junk, the most notorious crime lord on Tatooine is a slug who eats frogs and has a rusty palace with a sand floor.

I like that across all walks of life (with the possible exception of the Empire), this is just not a universe that is concerned with having shiny, clean or new things. I'm curious to know how Threepio lost his arm, but I already know why it stays red - our heroes are more concerned with the big problems, and perfection isn't and shouldn't be one of them.

That's one of the many things that bothered me about the PT - there was too much opulence, too much shininess, too much order and quiet. I don't know that I like the implication that the OT's griminess is a result of some galactic depression - The civil war informs that, of course, but I prefer to think this is just a scrappy galaxy full of ancient technology, well used objects and people with better things to worry about.

I loved the design of the prequels. We were looking at a time of bloated opulence. One where the government in the core of the galaxy had become so arrogant that it collapsed in on itself. And the OT happened 20 years later far away from the centre, in the most backwater parts of the galaxy. And by time the OT came around, that government had turned into the empire. Consolidating all manufacturing towards their military control

Imagine that the PT took place in washington DC, London and Dubai. But The OT took place in Haiti, The arctic and the congo

 

[Jaitea]

It kinda sticks out like a swore thumb. It didn't used to. But it does now.

...no need to swear

I think this topic would be better discussed after we see how the film portrays females,....I've got a feeling there is nothing to worry about

J

 

[DakGibralter]

I loved the design of the prequels. We were looking at a time of bloated opulence. One where the government in the core of the galaxy had become so arrogant that it collapsed in on itself. And the OT happened 20 years later far away from the centre, in the most backwater parts of the galaxy. And by time the OT came around, that government had turned into the empire. Consolidating all manufacturing towards their military control

Imagine that the PT took place in washington DC, London and Dubai. But The OT took place in Haiti, The arctic and the congo

That's a great way to look at it, and I agree that a little of that is really effective.

I don't mind and in fact appreciate that design choice as it pertains to the collapse of the Republic. I was mostly referring to the frictionlessness (not a word) of the other elements of the PT - the ship designs, Naboo, the Jedi Council, etc. Part of it was the fact that CGI just wasn't able to look as gritty as we all wanted it to look, but I think some of the opulence that rubbed me the wrong way was Lucas', not the Republic's.

 

[Riceball]

That's a great way to look at it, and I agree that a little of that is really effective.

I don't mind and in fact appreciate that design choice as it pertains to the collapse of the Republic. I was mostly referring to the frictionlessness (not a word) of the other elements of the PT - the ship designs, Naboo, the Jedi Council, etc. Part of it was the fact that CGI just wasn't able to look as gritty as we all wanted it to look, but I think some of the opulence that rubbed me the wrong way was Lucas', not the Republic's.

Don't blame the tech, blame the person behind the tech, Lucas. Even with CG you can make something as clean or as dirty as you want, it's just a simple matter of making the texture map that goes on the model dirty looking, something that's not much different than painting a picture of something that's dirty. If any of the tech seen in the PT wasn't that dirty it wasn't because they used 3D models instead of physical models, it's because Lucas' art direction didn't call for them to be as dirty as the OT, simple as that.

 

[batguy]

ANH was about a farm boy inheriting his father's sword & going on a quest to rescue a beautiful princess from an evil knight's castle. It WASN'T forward-thinking, it was a purpose-built throwback to a bunch of classic myths. Myths which were male-dominated in general.

When ANH came out it was literally rebellious for being so tame & traditional. The only thing cutting-edge was the production design. In the mid/late 1970s the reviewers all marveled at the total lack of cynicism or tongue-in-cheek-ness of it.


The lack of female characters in ESB & ROTJ is harder to excuse than ANH. But it's still basically supposed to be continuations of the same project. There were very few new major characters left to introduce, period.

So please, cut the OT some slack.



And will say it again - Why isn't anyone crapping on Disney for its handling of male characters in their never-ending string of princess fairy tales? They still continue to release one-gender-oriented movies TODAY without taking the kind of flak leveled at 35-YEAR-OLD Star Wars movies.

Do the princess fairy tales get a pass because they are obviously aimed straight at girls in particular? Okay, I could see that.

But I don't think the OT could have been any more obviously aimed at young boys if they had tried. Instead of cute animated singing animals it was metal fighter-planes in space, laser guns & swords, speeder bikes, etc.

 

[Guy Cowen]

I remember when Star wars used to be fun!!!!!

 

[Axlotl]

...I would also like to see one that paves the way for women in action movies...

Really? Wasn't that way paved decades ago?
Give me an hour and I could list a hundred action movies with female heroes.
I think you need to watch more movies.

 

[morrris99]

4 months!!! Woo-hoo!

 

[Bryancd]

Really? Wasn't that way paved decades ago?
Give me an hour and I could list a hundred action movies with female heroes.
I think you need to watch more movies.

This is all just classic internet navel gazing complaining about stuff that happened ages ago that is now considered an outrage.

 

[SmilingOtter]

C-3PO has developed a programming glitch that makes him the droid equivalent of a cannibal. He stole a silver 3PO's lower leg, and a red one's arm...

Actually, I always wondered why they didn't paint him green for the Endor mission. He didn't exactly blend in, and any civilization that has mastered hyperspace HAS to have developed spray paint.