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[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

You're entitled to your opinion... and just because you don't like a certain artist (be it Bieber or One Direction or Led Zeppelin or Johnny Cash), it doesn't make their art any less appealing to those that do.

That is true from an entertainment aspect. People are free to like whatever they want, but you used the word "art." Now, I know I like many things that are in no way considered artistic. Still, I like them. I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of liking anything that brought them joy. My girlfriend listens to One Direction. But that does not mean that it is free from criticism regarding its "artistic merits."

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I very much enjoyed the prequels.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I very much enjoyed the prequels.

I ... guess ... I actually did too ..... sort of.

I mean, I own them on bluray, lol.

My disgruntled thoughts toward Lucas pertain to the special editions more than anything else.

The prequels still fell FAR short of what I believe their true potential was, but as has already been said, that is another topic.

Which brings me back around to Episode VII.

Would you say having someone other than Lucas making Episode VII has increased your hopes, decreased them, or left just about the same? Hey, that would make a great poll.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I very much enjoyed the prequels.

As did I - yes, there were something's I didn't like (but, there are some thing's I don't like about the OT). But, my nephew (who is now 9 and even even is 7-year old sister) loved them. At that age, I was enamored with first trilogy... I think people forget that these movies are meant for kids and can't see past it (oh, and they will whine about it relentlessly and argue other :cough: "facts").

In all honesty, I'm just tired of taking pot shots, of people whining incessantly and people who can't look past the obvious. Can we talk about VII without the crying?

 

[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Which brings me back around to Episode VII.

Would you say having someone other than Lucas making Episode VII has increased your hopes, decreased them, or left just about the same? Hey, that would make a great poll.

I trust J.J. a whole lot more than George.

George spit in the faces of everybody else who worked on the original trilogy when he destroyed the master copies after the creation of the special editions. The prequels were pretty good with the exception of The Phantom Menace, so those don't bother me nearly as much as the special editions.

I wouldn't have trust in Lucas to handle Ep7. There is a ton of potential there, and I think it is going to take a team of people to bring that potential to fruition. Lucas wouldn't be able to handle Ep7.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

George spit in the faces of everybody else who worked on the original trilogy when he destroyed the master copies after the creation of the special editions. The prequels were pretty good with the exception of The Phantom Menace, so those don't bother me nearly as much as the special editions.

How did he do that? All their work is still intact. They worked for him. If you think him adding things was insulting, what about all the stuff he cut or didn't include while he was editing the movies originally? That's like saying your boss is constantly spitting in your face because he doesn't run things exactly how you think they should run. It's not your place, you're an employee.

I also seriously doubt he destroyed the master copies of the movie. I think that was more to stop the fans from yelling about no original versions on DVD.

 

[robstyle]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The prequels were a mess, not thought out, not Star Wars. This was and still is a concern for the new trilogy. Having altered the new script has direct implications on the following two films. Neither the OT or PT had locked in stories planned out in advance much less scripts in hand for a complete trilogy prior to rolling cameras on the first film. In fact, has any trilogy or film series to date have had this?

The PT, if not branded by the Star Wars name was released on its own, I dont think it would have made it past the first film. Just like the Transformer movies, some people do like them but they are just terrible films. The new trilogy couldn't be in better hands.

 

[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The PT, if not branded by the Star Wars name was released on its own, I dont think it would have made it past the first film. Just like the Transformer movies, some people do like them but they are just terrible films. The new trilogy couldn't be in better hands.

I couldn't agree more. They barely even felt like Star Wars.


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[Jannix Quinn]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I don't want ANY news. I can't help looking for it. I would prefer walking into the cinema knowing nothing, and being blown away. But... I have internet, where everything is spoiled before it happens.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I don't want ANY news. I can't help looking for it. I would prefer walking into the cinema knowing nothing, and being blown away. But... I have internet, where everything is spoiled before it happens.

Yea that's not going to happen...I suggest that you cancel your internet and television service and/or join a monastery until the movie comes out if you don't want any news about it because that's the only way you're going to avoid it.

 

[Jannix Quinn]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If I join a monastery how will I know when it comes out?

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If I join a monastery how will I know when it comes out?

Hire a messenger a la BTTF part II...he'll take care of that.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I trust J.J. a whole lot more than George.

George spit in the faces of everybody else who worked on the original trilogy when he destroyed the master copies after the creation of the special editions. The prequels were pretty good with the exception of The Phantom Menace, so those don't bother me nearly as much as the special editions.

I wouldn't have trust in Lucas to handle Ep7. There is a ton of potential there, and I think it is going to take a team of people to bring that potential to fruition. Lucas wouldn't be able to handle Ep7.

Get a grip and get over yourself.

"George spit..." WTF? Everyone in the Original Trilogy was hired to work on George Lucas' vision - his story, his movie and his direction. These are Lucas creations and the Lucas is a huge reason (if not the only reason) some of these folks even have jobs.

Then you go on to say "the prequels were pretty good..." yet you "wouldn't (have) trust in Lucas to handle Ep7" and "Lucas wouldn't be able to handle Ep7" - um. :facepalm - Wow, dude - do you read what you're typing? Do you have some super secret insider knowledge about just how complex and overly intricate - so much so that a multi-billionaire, creator of the two of the biggest movie franchises of ALL TIME, someone who ultimately handled tons of money, helped support and sustain other peoples jobs/careers - yet he couldn't handle Star Wars Episode 7, after handling the six previous episodes (even though it's supposed be based on his original story and notes!?

...while I like and appreciate JJ and I liked his take on Star Trek, he's managed to alienate many die hard Trek fans. Outside of ST, he's got a whole two other movie director credits to his name. Again, I like him and even have confidence in him for Star Wars - but, let's face facts... Star Wars is a different beast than TV series or a M:I movie (or Star Trek - which as I said I liked, but many here didn't).

I'm not sure where you get your confidence from, but man... does it come off as misguided and just wrong.

 

[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Get a grip and get over yourself.

"George spit..." WTF? Everyone in the Original Trilogy was hired to work on George Lucas' vision - his story, his movie and his direction. These are Lucas creations and the Lucas is a huge reason (if not the only reason) some of these folks even have jobs.

Then you go on to say "the prequels were pretty good..." yet you "wouldn't (have) trust in Lucas to handle Ep7" and "Lucas wouldn't be able to handle Ep7" - um. :facepalm - Wow, dude - do you read what you're typing? Do you have some super secret insider knowledge about just how complex and overly intricate - so much so that a multi-billionaire, creator of the two of the biggest movie franchises of ALL TIME, someone who ultimately handled tons of money, helped support and sustain other peoples jobs/careers - yet he couldn't handle Star Wars Episode 7, after handling the six previous episodes (even though it's supposed be based on his original story and notes!?

...while I like and appreciate JJ and I liked his take on Star Trek, he's managed to alienate many die hard Trek fans. Outside of ST, he's got a whole two other movie director credits to his name. Again, I like him and even have confidence in him for Star Wars - but, let's face facts... Star Wars is a different beast than TV series or a M:I movie (or Star Trek - which as I said I liked, but many here didn't).

I'm not sure where you get your confidence from, but man... does it come off as misguided and just wrong.

Apparently you've not seen some of the things Lucas has said in regard to the original trilogy and the people who worked in them. Also, after the original Star Wars it wasn't just his vision. He wasn't the single creative mind behind Empire Strikes Back.

I don't get why you're such a die hard defender of him. WAIT! You ARE George Lucas aren't you? You're George Lucas in disguise, on a prop forum, defending your body of work and making sure that it's completely free of ANY and ALL criticism. That's got to be the answer here. I'm sure of it.

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[jcoffman99]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

For man that just a few posts ago said that, "You're entitled to your opinion." you seem to be pretty intolerate of others. I'm not sure you realize how many of your posts come across as angry and juvenile. It's okay to be passionate about something and still be civil about it. I've never in my adult life heard someone say, "Get a grip and get over yourself." Kinda seems like a pot and kettle situation.

Now on to the issues. George is a great idea and creative a man, but his early successes were not his alone. Yes he had the idea, but without the likes of Ralph McQuarrie, Gary Kurtz, his ex-wife, and others his vision would have failed. It was the people like Kurtz who would actually tell him no that made Star Wars successful. There's a reason that the prequels don't feel like Star Wars and it's not because we grew up. It's because Lucas had too much money, too much tech, and no one telling him no. By his own admission he rushed Anakin's fall, and spent too much time on the political side.

He gave the the ideas for VII, VIII, IX. Great. That's what he's good with. Indy four his failing. Ford and Speilberg were so desperate to make the film they went with George's idea that neither ok them wanted to do.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Lucas altering the original trilogy is the same as when Ted Turner started colorizing movies. He BOUGHT them, so he OWNED them, and thought that entitled him to do whatever he wanted to them. "The last time I checked, I owned the films that we're in the process of colorizing. I can do whatever I want with them."- Turner
It's like letting someone alter the Mona Lisa.
Star Wars isn't the result of Lucas alone.

I think if he were the genius we all thought he was, he would have just kept on making new movies, and not dwelling on past creations.

I never really got into the EU, so I don't have a lot of expectations going into Episode VII. I don't know if Luke, Han, and Leia are going to have minor roles and hand the franchise off to the next group of actors, or will Episode VII focus on the old gang. That is not what I'm most concerned with though. Star Wars has a style. By all accounts, JJ understands this style and wants to return Star Wars to it. I just want a movie that feels like Star Wars. Not saying I don't care about the story, I just think getting the Star Wars universe correct is very important.

I can not wait for actual Episode VII information to be released. Can you imagine the activity just one still picture would create in this thread? Or even the title?

May the force be with JJ.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Lucas altering the original trilogy is the same as when Ted Turner started colorizing movies. He BOUGHT them, so he OWNED them, and thought that entitled him to do whatever he wanted to them. It's like letting someone alter the Mona Lisa.

I think if he were the genius we all thought he was, he would have just kept on making new movies, and not dwelling on past creations.

I never really got into the EU, so I don't have a lot of expectations going into Episode VII. I don't know if Luke, Han, and Leia are going to have minor roles and hand the franchise off to the next group of actors, or will Episode VII focus on the old gang. That is not what I'm most concerned with though. Star Wars has a style. By all accounts, JJ understands this style and wants to return Star Wars to it. I just want a movie that feels like Star Wars. Not saying I don't care about the story, I just think getting the Star Wars universe correct is very important.

I can not wait for actual Episode VII information to be released. Can you imagine the activity just one still picture would create in this thread? Or just a title?

May the force be with JJ.

I'm not sure that analogy really works. There is a substantial difference between creating a film and buying one and whatever attendant entitlements that brings.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'm not sure that analogy really works. There is a substantial difference between creating a film and buying one and whatever attendant entitlements that brings.

Lucas didn't create Star Wars alone. What I am trying to say is that ownership shouldn't entitle you to manipulate, or effectively erase someone elses contribution to society. It's why the National Film Registry was created.

 

[mistymills]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I did not hate the prequels. I've seen better fan films that seemed to capture more of the feel of the Star Wars original trilogy, but I did not hate the newer trilogy.

That said, no matter how much I hated the prequels, if I had a chance to even be an extra in the new movies I'd do it.

 

[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It wasn't George Lucas that made a bunch of people famous. It was a bunch of people, including Lucas, working together, that made a bunch of people, including Lucas, famous. They won awards for their work. When Lucas went back and thought "Nah, this isn't the way it should have been done" he was toying with other people's work. Not just his own.

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE! HAN SHOT FIRST!

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