Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I've said that Lucas said that numerous times, and obviously there's that video, but it fell on deaf ears. Somehow if you say EU people hear "Do the Zahn Trilogy as a movie!" and not "Hey there are some good characters, ships, environments, etc. there that we can use in the movie."

That's what i say. Would i like to see some of the post-ROTJ EU novels made into movies? Absolutely. But i wouldn't mind just having the major characters from the novels to make it into the movie...ie the solo kids and Mara and Ben Skywalker...plus some planets, species and ships (but dear God NO MORE STAR DESTROYERS!) Just something to pay homage to the EU novels that these movies will most likely retcon.

And here's to hoping they do a tv series about what happens between Episodes VI and VII. I'd be interested to see Luke Skywalker rediscovering the Jedi Temple, which hasn't been covered in the books.

 

[ozz]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I would love to see a TV (real life) series. But after seeing some of the older actors, makes you wonder which direction it would go.

Anytime EU, (or a hint of it) some people get a bit on edge. Like it's an abomonation or something. It's not all crap. Granted some of it is, but not all of it.

Something origional would always be welcome for anything produced.

 

[NAZGÛL]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It seems fans wants something very close to the original triology, but with nothing from those films... This film cant make the fans happy no matter what.

 

[Astrokid248]

I would love to see a TV (real life) series. But after seeing some of the older actors, makes you wonder which direction it would go.

Anytime EU, (or a hint of it) some people get a bit on edge. Like it's an abomonation or something. It's not all crap. Granted some of it is, but not all of it.

Something origional would always be welcome for anything produced.

I dunno, I've always preferred the EU to the original series. I feel like, while something original would be nice, retconning the EU basically means all those writers and artists did all that work for nothing. I also think making the movies and only the movies canon would discourage further original content for the EU. There's a lot of really great stories that the next generation of fans won't get to appreciate if these movies take some elements and then ignore the rest of the work.

A TV series following the other Jedi Masters and their pupils would rock. Kyle Katarn isn't really important enough for the films, but a TV series could follow his generation of Jedi and their efforts to train the new order. Corran Horn, Kyp Duron, and similar characters could feature without really needing the movie cast. Basically, I'm imagining SHIELD but for Star Wars. This is, of course, assuming the movies loosely (since we've all agreed direct EU adaptations are out) follow the Yuuzhan Vong War or the Legacy storyline following it.

 

[Tan Djarka]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

This film cant make the fans happy no matter what.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. I say: stop speculating and expressing your desires for the next movie(s), and just go see 'em when they come out. Then you can be disappointed for what's actually in the movie, not what isn't (and you believed there should have been).:facepalm

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Fans only think they want that because they're unimaginative and cannot conceive of Star Wars without Skywalkers, Solos, and Siths. Now, I'm not saying that the EU is good -- the bulk of it is crap -- but it at least goes well beyond boring Jedi (yes, they ARE boring) and this one family of characters. You could focus on, oh, I don't know, a squadron of fighter pilots. You could focus on, say, a bounty hunter or a mercenary. You could focus on tibanna gas prospectors, or space gypsies, or crime lords, or politicians, or frontline soldiers, or ANY NUMBER OF CHARACTERS WHO AREN'T THE OT CHARACTERS and tell a good story and it would STILL be Star Wars.

 

[Tan Djarka]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Hmmm... How about this? Soon after the Battle of Endor, Han and Liea marry, but within a few years, and fathering a small family, Han grows weary of the family life and sets out on his own again. In a strange turn of events, he finds himself inheriting the remains of Jabba's criminal empire, and becomes a threat to the New Republic. Luke and several members of the New Jedi Order are tasked with tracking Solo down, and terminating his command. Terminate with extreme prejudice... Ford would finally be satisfied in having his character killed off.

What am I thinking? It's gonna be a Disney movie!

 

[FerretsFinds]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Last I heard Fisher and Hamill will reprise their roles as cameos the film will be set 20+ yrs after ROTJ. Rumour has it even Ford isn't adverse to the idea of coming back also.

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Fans only think they want that because they're unimaginative and cannot conceive of Star Wars without Skywalkers, Solos, and Siths. Now, I'm not saying that the EU is good -- the bulk of it is crap -- but it at least goes well beyond boring Jedi (yes, they ARE boring) and this one family of characters. You could focus on, oh, I don't know, a squadron of fighter pilots. You could focus on, say, a bounty hunter or a mercenary. You could focus on tibanna gas prospectors, or space gypsies, or crime lords, or politicians, or frontline soldiers, or ANY NUMBER OF CHARACTERS WHO AREN'T THE OT CHARACTERS and tell a good story and it would STILL be Star Wars.

I wouldn't put it that way. If they just said we're making a new trilogy but it's not 7-9, that'd be completely fine.

When you call it 7-9, it's the story of the skywalkler family.

That could be his kid(s), nieces/nephews, or could even be just his students, but Luke would be a relevant part. Leia could be a big part or not. The simple fact is, by calling it 7-9, you're tying it to the first 6 directly.

If you want to start down the road with all new characters or just after ROTJ but other planets, that's fine. But it's not 7-9.

By titling it that way you're tying yourself to the existing characters and story lines. It'd be like having Toy Story 4 with all new toys and nothing in common with the first 3. It's not TS4, it's a new movie about toys.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I disagree. I think you could make a "The Next Generation" thing which doesn't have any of the "old generation" appear. Or if they do, it's in a very tangential way. Like, Luke in a holocron advising younger Jedi. Or you have it be about the family, but waaaaaaaay down the line. Like, several hundred years. Really, though, I think 7-9 can just be about the universe itself.

But whatever. They'll make what they'll make. If it sucks, I won't care because I just won't watch it. Just give me my damn restored OT.

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I dunno, I've always preferred the EU to the original series. I feel like, while something original would be nice, retconning the EU basically means all those writers and artists did all that work for nothing. I also think making the movies and only the movies canon would discourage further original content for the EU. There's a lot of really great stories that the next generation of fans won't get to appreciate if these movies take some elements and then ignore the rest of the work.

I wouldn't say that, it's not like if they did some original movie for 7 - 9 then all of a sudden the books would all disappear and the author's wouldn't get any more royalties. The EU is, and will always be, a canon unto its own and, with approval, can do just about anything with the Star Wars universe but the movies will always trump the EU. So the games and novels could say that the Sith loved to cross dress, pick flowers, and hug tress in their off time but Lucas, now Disney, aren't tied to that and they could go ahead have Sith be the total opposite in a new movie and that would be final.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, but even though there's a hierarchy of canonicity to this stuff, it'd still be a form of retconning. Generally speaking, long-time fans don't like that. Unless, you know, you retcon stuff they didn't like.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, I think they will certainly stick to the established film canon. There's no reason to delve away from it, there a excellent opportunity to have a storyline that continues beyond ROTJ. And they will certainly want this film to feel familiar to the OT, that's why I think lightsaber fights are one of those touchstones they may try very hard to include. Which again will inform the sory they tell.

 

[Timmythekid]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

"You could focus on tibanna gas prospectors..."

Which would be ALMOST, but not quite as exciting a premise as setting the new trilogy against TAX DISPUTES! I do have this "Treasure of Sierra Madre in SPAAAAACE" vision in my head now with grizzled prospectors and Harrison Ford as Bogey, so thanks for that though

 

[Timmythekid]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I think lightsaber fights are one of those touchstones they may try very hard to include.

Well, that, and fans will scream "NO LIGHTSABERS!!! IT'S NOT STAR WARS!!!!!" if they don't. Honestly, if you look at the number of times a saber was lit up in the OT, it's pretty minimal - if they can keep it to something like that...something special and meaningful when they're drawn, the sabers should stay.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Jedi have lightsabers. That's a given. It's a Jedi weapon. The fact the Sith had them too in the PT totally killed the Emperors comment in RotJ about it being a Jedi weapon fall flat on its ass as a scuffing insult.

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Wow! 22 pages of posts on a film that has barely been in production. Clearly Disney will make bank on their $4 billion dollar investment. !

Not necessarily. I made 20 million pre-release posts about Prometheus and The Thing remake - but decided not to see them!

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I disagree. I think you could make a "The Next Generation" thing which doesn't have any of the "old generation" appear. Or if they do, it's in a very tangential way. Like, Luke in a holocron advising younger Jedi. Or you have it be about the family, but waaaaaaaay down the line. Like, several hundred years. Really, though, I think 7-9 can just be about the universe itself.

But whatever. They'll make what they'll make. If it sucks, I won't care because I just won't watch it. Just give me my damn restored OT.

That more proves my point than anything else. They didn't simply call TNG, Star Trek, they added the subtitle The Next Generation to tell you it was a whole new thing set in the same galaxy.

They're more than welcome to do that with SW, but it won't make it 7, 8, and 9. It'll just be parts 1-3 of a separate storyline. And that'd be just fine.

 

[Jm419]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That more proves my point than anything else. They didn't simply call TNG, Star Trek, they added the subtitle The Next Generation to tell you it was a whole new thing set in the same galaxy.

They're more than welcome to do that with SW, but it won't make it 7, 8, and 9. It'll just be parts 1-3 of a separate storyline. And that'd be just fine.

Listen, everyone keeps bringing up TNG, but remember, there was a cameo of one of the original cast in the pilot episode. Bones, Scotty, Spock, and Kirk all appeared in the TNG story, the first three in the show, the latter in the movie.

Now, personally, I really do prefer TNG to the original show, but it's hard to use it as an example of casting off the old characters when one of them showed up in the first episode.

Still, the way that it was done was very classy. One episode, maybe two, and that was all. The show didn't revolve around them for seasons, it didn't make any universe shattering points about them, but included them in a neat way that was a nod to TOS. That's really what needs to be done. Luke just shows up for ten minutes as a nod to the OT, and that's all that needs to be done.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Listen, everyone keeps bringing up TNG, but remember, there was a cameo of one of the original cast in the pilot episode. Bones, Scotty, Spock, and Kirk all appeared in the TNG story, the first three in the show, the latter in the movie.

Now, personally, I really do prefer TNG to the original show, but it's hard to use it as an example of casting off the old characters when one of them showed up in the first episode.

Still, the way that it was done was very classy. One episode, maybe two, and that was all. The show didn't revolve around them for seasons, it didn't make any universe shattering points about them, but included them in a neat way that was a nod to TOS. That's really what needs to be done. Luke just shows up for ten minutes as a nod to the OT, and that's all that needs to be done.

Which is what I'm saying. It'd work. Holocron, blue glowie, holographic welcome message at the new Jedi Temple, whatever. You could have him appear -- briefly -- and the focus is on other people.