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[NAZGÛL]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Id be interested in seing Lukes story, and think there are many things that could happen to him, and hopefully make for a good film.

The big question for me is if there is a story good enough to be told. If the original starts are in it doesnt make or break it, but the story will.

 

[dt23]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

if they tell the the Luke & Kyle ones... maybe, I'd like to see the Kyle Jedi Outcast time line.

 

[Laspector]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I just wish they would bring the space battles back to the ANH feel. More of that WW2 real battle stuff, like the escape from the Death Star and the trench run. Since those were storyboarded off of actual WW2 footage and old movies it just seemed more "real". There seemed to be actual purpose to the battles. By the time it got to Jedi and the prequals, the space battles just all look like a swarm of angry hornets flying around! No rhyme or reason to anything just "how many ships can we get in the shot?"

And I hate to say it, but I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing another lighsaber battle (even as cool as they are), but it's just been done to death. Unless they can come up with something really new and fresh.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

And I hate to say it, but I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing another lighsaber battle (even as cool as they are), but it's just been done to death. Unless they can come up with something really new and fresh.

HERE, IMO, is where the rubber hits the road for the next movie. Do they look for a storyline that includes opportunities for lightsaber fights, meaning the return of the Sith or some other antagonist with a similar weapon, or do they go in a different direction. That decision will really inform these new films in so many ways.

 

[EyeofSauron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

im pretty sure this is just a bullsh* attention grab, but still:
Darth Vader to be resurrected | Day & Night | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Seems like complete bs to me. I mean, it'd totally invalidate ROTJ because he redeemed himself in the end and let go of the dark side. He died, as his ghost appeared with the others and they burned his body. I can't see a split soul where the spirit of vader finds a host to enforce his evil on the galaxy while the spirit of anakin sits on Luke's shoulder.

It would seem to me that part III of this story would be luke mentoring a next generation and the rebuilding of the republic. Anything else isn't 7, 8, 9, but rather just a whole new 1, 2, 3, of a another story. And there's nothing wrong with that at all, but it would HAVE to be a new saga. Doing continuing episodes means you're continuing an existing story and the existing story is the skywalker family.

I'd love an old old republic, or a 100, or 1000 years into the future, and a completely new set of stories with no basis on the previous ones. You just can't do that can call them 7, 8, and 9. You can't.

 

[JBReplicas]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Ok I don't see how that would work at all, he turned good in rotj and what, he's gonna be bad again? Haha, no

 

[dt23]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

oh that's just great, now we get Extra Extra Crispy Vader!

sounds like bs to me.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

HERE, IMO, is where the rubber hits the road for the next movie. Do they look for a storyline that includes opportunities for lightsaber fights, meaning the return of the Sith or some other antagonist with a similar weapon, or do they go in a different direction. That decision will really inform these new films in so many ways.

I seriously hope they in no way have any enemy with a lightsaber. It's 20 years later, uh oh there's more Sith! That is one of the problems of the EU where there's a new Dark Side or Sith character all the time. In the Prequels it pretty much says a Jedi going to the Dark Side is pretty much unknown in modern times, let alone a Jedi falling to the Dark Side. It's also a problem with that comic series that is 100 years after ROTJ. The decide the Sith return and wipe out the Jedi again. Stupid lazy writing.

I want to see the OT characters in the movies, but I think the movies need to revolve around new characters. For example, they could show that Luke is in Yoda's position and rebuilt the Jedi Order, then have him providing guidance or giving missions to the new characters. I don't want to see them carrying the entire story.

 

[Vivek]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Right, that's clearly a made up story by Express.co.uk and many sites soon will be running with it.

 

[GOING SOLO]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Remember guys its disney now its about the $$$$ they will use han leia and luke to go after the old fans like me we have the money! Werent hans and leias kids jedi??? Tell that story uncle luke can train them!

 

[nickytea]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Have Vader show up, unexpectedly after his death. Have one of Leia's kids face him and hack the mask off to reveal ... Luke.

Mirror the ESB cave scene and set up a new mystery.

 

[DominoDoggy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Wow! 22 pages of posts on a film that has barely been in production. Clearly Disney will make bank on their $4 billion dollar investment. I won't repeat any of the speculation already here, but I'll say that I can't wait to see the phenomenal work of the artists in this group as they replicate the new props!

 

[GiovanniDekkers]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Bringing back Darth Vader and adding the OT cast, haven't they seen the latest Indy Movie???

Okay it had Harrison Ford in it, but come on.

But wanting to see a Star Wars version of the new Dallas, please NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

oh that's just great, now we get Extra Extra Crispy Vader!

sounds like bs to me.

I prefer original recipe, myself. And none of that special edition chipotle sauce crap, either!

Seems like complete bs to me. I mean, it'd totally invalidate ROTJ because he redeemed himself in the end and let go of the dark side. He died, as his ghost appeared with the others and they burned his body. I can't see a split soul where the spirit of vader finds a host to enforce his evil on the galaxy while the spirit of anakin sits on Luke's shoulder.

It would seem to me that part III of this story would be luke mentoring a next generation and the rebuilding of the republic. Anything else isn't 7, 8, 9, but rather just a whole new 1, 2, 3, of a another story. And there's nothing wrong with that at all, but it would HAVE to be a new saga. Doing continuing episodes means you're continuing an existing story and the existing story is the skywalker family.

See, I think you can have their descendants, but they're distant descendants. Like, 3-4 generations down the road, or more. Initially maybe you don't make it absolutely clear, but eventually you reveal the backstory and explain that, no, the main character is actually descended of Luke himself (or Leia).

I seriously hope they in no way have any enemy with a lightsaber. It's 20 years later, uh oh there's more Sith! That is one of the problems of the EU where there's a new Dark Side or Sith character all the time. In the Prequels it pretty much says a Jedi going to the Dark Side is pretty much unknown in modern times, let alone a Jedi falling to the Dark Side. It's also a problem with that comic series that is 100 years after ROTJ. The decide the Sith return and wipe out the Jedi again. Stupid lazy writing.

I want to see the OT characters in the movies, but I think the movies need to revolve around new characters. For example, they could show that Luke is in Yoda's position and rebuilt the Jedi Order, then have him providing guidance or giving missions to the new characters. I don't want to see them carrying the entire story.

I'd prefer to not see the OT characters at all -- just because I don't think there's an effective way to do it without it ending up cheesy -- but I absolutely agree that a Sith resurgence is the wrong way to go. I have my own idea of how to handle the Dark Side thing or Jedi going bad, but honestly, it wouldn't really fit the good/evil dichotomy that runs through Star Wars. It'd be far more "shades of grey" (no not THAT shades of grey, you pervs) and more about well-meaning people who take bad means to reach a good end, instead of moustache-twisting villains like the Emperor in the PT. ("UNLIMITED POWAAAAHH!!!! NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!")

The way I see it, power has the ability to corrupt all by itself. You don't NEED a Sith organization. You can just have a Jedi who sort of espouses SOME of what Anakin talks about in AOTC and Vader references in ESB: "We will bring ORDER to this galaxy and END chaos." That also touches on some of the tenets of balance in the OT and PT -- that when you're out of balance, you invite discord, and balance need not be numerical balance (5000 jedi vs 2 sith) but rather balance within oneself and living in harmony with your environment instead of fighting for control of it.

To my way of thinking, a better representation of the Dark Side is the desire to IMPOSE control, to bend things to your will, and the willingness to use whatever means necessary to do that, even in the pursuit of a noble end. And ultimately, the most effective villains, I think, are those who come from noble beginnings -- the fallen hero -- rather than the psychotic. Someone who goes from "Lawful Good" to "Lawful Evil" basically. Chaotic Evil is just boring.

Remember guys its disney now its about the $$$$ they will use han leia and luke to go after the old fans like me we have the money! Werent hans and leias kids jedi??? Tell that story uncle luke can train them!

I wouldn't count on it. We aren't the demographic that buys toys. Or rather, if we're buying toys, we're buying them for our kids, nieces, nephews, etc. (Yes, I know plenty collect toys, but for a real merchandising market, we ain't the demographic sweet spot.)

 

[jcoffman99]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'd only like to see Luke as a ghost. I like my Hamill shimmery.

 

[Astrokid248]

I prefer original recipe, myself. And none of that special edition chipotle sauce crap, either!



See, I think you can have their descendants, but they're distant descendants. Like, 3-4 generations down the road, or more. Initially maybe you don't make it absolutely clear, but eventually you reveal the backstory and explain that, no, the main character is actually descended of Luke himself (or Leia).



I'd prefer to not see the OT characters at all -- just because I don't think there's an effective way to do it without it ending up cheesy -- but I absolutely agree that a Sith resurgence is the wrong way to go. I have my own idea of how to handle the Dark Side thing or Jedi going bad, but honestly, it wouldn't really fit the good/evil dichotomy that runs through Star Wars. It'd be far more "shades of grey" (no not THAT shades of grey, you pervs) and more about well-meaning people who take bad means to reach a good end, instead of moustache-twisting villains like the Emperor in the PT. ("UNLIMITED POWAAAAHH!!!! NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!")

The way I see it, power has the ability to corrupt all by itself. You don't NEED a Sith organization. You can just have a Jedi who sort of espouses SOME of what Anakin talks about in AOTC and Vader references in ESB: "We will bring ORDER to this galaxy and END chaos." That also touches on some of the tenets of balance in the OT and PT -- that when you're out of balance, you invite discord, and balance need not be numerical balance (5000 jedi vs 2 sith) but rather balance within oneself and living in harmony with your environment instead of fighting for control of it.

To my way of thinking, a better representation of the Dark Side is the desire to IMPOSE control, to bend things to your will, and the willingness to use whatever means necessary to do that, even in the pursuit of a noble end. And ultimately, the most effective villains, I think, are those who come from noble beginnings -- the fallen hero -- rather than the psychotic. Someone who goes from "Lawful Good" to "Lawful Evil" basically. Chaotic Evil is just boring.




I wouldn't count on it. We aren't the demographic that buys toys. Or rather, if we're buying toys, we're buying them for our kids, nieces, nephews, etc. (Yes, I know plenty collect toys, but for a real merchandising market, we ain't the demographic sweet spot.)

The thing is, that storyline exists perfectly in Star Wars canon. One of Han's kids goes from lawful good to lawful evil exactly the way you've described it, and it's a great story. It also allows for OT cameos without requiring them as main characters, since the Solo brood are adults in the story. (Saves the cast the embarrassment of being old, but satisfies the fans and creators alike.)

((Edit: if you want three-four generations on, morally grey, and lawful good-to-evil, you have to go with Cade Skywalker, the Fel Empire, and the Force Shatterpoint technique.))

But the issue is that Lucas hates the EU. He honestly hates the fanbase and everything Zanh and Bioware created and is going to punish us for ruining his vision. Star Wars was always supposed to have mysteries and very little back story. I believe that the script Lucas left behind will completely disregard the EU and basically wave a middle finger at the hardcore fans. Never has "I have a bad feeling about this" been more appropriate then now.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But the issue is that Lucas hates the EU. He honestly hates the fanbase and everything Zanh and Bioware created and is going to punish us for ruining his vision. Star Wars was always supposed to have mysteries and very little back story. I believe that the script Lucas left behind will completely disregard the EU and basically wave a middle finger at the hardcore fans. Never has "I have a bad feeling about this" been more appropriate then now.

Please provide the facts to back this up.

 

[NAZGÛL]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, Ive never heard that.

 

[Laspector]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Seeing how Star Wars does pretty much nothing but repeat itself, it would seem the obvious story is that Han and Liea have a kid, or Luke got married and had a kid, that kid goes bad and is redeemed in the end.

I don't necessarily want that to be the story but I'd bet it's probably what we are going to get.