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Nor I. I mean, he incorporated Coruscant into the PT. That was a Zahn creation. He didn't do literally everything from the EU (e.g. the Spaarti cloning cylinders), but he didn't totally overrule it either.

I'm somewhat familiar with the Solo kids going bad, but honestly, I don't want to see aging heroes.


You know what's cool? Beowulf kicking Grendel's ass. You know what's not cool? Beowulf dying after fighting the dragon. I mean, yes, it fits the story, but do you really want to watch the OT heroes go through all that stuff? I don't. I'm happy to just have smiling victorious OT heroes at teh end of ROTJ and that's that. Skip ahead several generations (not the Baron Fel stuff, not the Darth Krayt stuff) and tell a different story in the same universe. Maybe have Luke and Leia appear as some holocron recording. Leave Han and the kids out of it.
 
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I don't think he hates it. He has said some things over the years that people have blown up or misinterpreted. I believe most of the misunderstanding comes from this very short quote.
George Lucas: The Star Wars Expanded Universe Doesn't Exist - AMC Blog - AMC

In one of the novels he wrote the forward where he talks about the vast SW universe and how it was an unexpected idea that the stories would grow and grow.

"It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a singkle film could hold. As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take as least nine films to tell-three trilogies-and I realized, in making my way throught the back story and after story, that I was setting out to write the middle story."

"After Star Wars released, it became apparent that my story-however many films it took to tell-was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were stories that I was not destinied to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by glimpses of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga."
 
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And as for Vader coming back--possibly this new bad guy taking up the mantle and the suit ala Green goblin/Hobgoblin? God I hope not!!

Or just leave Vader to flashbacks.

Or--and here's a twist, maybe in the netherworld of the Force there are actually two sides to Annakin, the good side and the Vader side. Maybe this Vader side would be mentoring/possesing the new villian?......This idea just popped into my head--it's by no means what I would want to actually happen in the new movies.....But who knows?
 
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jcoffman99 said:
I don't think he hates it. He has said some things over the years that people have blown up or misinterpreted. I believe most of the misunderstanding comes from this very short quote.
George Lucas: The Star Wars Expanded Universe Doesn't Exist - AMC Blog - AMC

In one of the novels he wrote the forward where he talks about the vast SW universe and how it was an unexpected idea that the stories would grow and grow.

"It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a singkle film could hold. As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take as least nine films to tell-three trilogies-and I realized, in making my way throught the back story and after story, that I was setting out to write the middle story."

"After Star Wars released, it became apparent that my story-however many films it took to tell-was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were stories that I was not destinied to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by glimpses of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga."
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George Lucas “Retires”, Blames Fans For Crushing His Spirit To Make Another Star Wars Film

Originally, this was all his story. No one else was supposed to have any say, and then the EU began to happen. Lucas is human, and the EU was gonna make him money, so he allowed it to evolve as long as he had final say over canon. But then the fans began essentially using the EU to rectify parts of his story, and then the fan edits rolled in, and now that script Lucas supposedly left behind is looking more and more like a way to crush any opposition to his vision once and for all. It all goes back to Han Shot First, and similar memes. The EU tends to support the fandom's interpretation of Han's character, but Lucas clearly had different ideas. I imagine a lot of the things Kreia says in KotOR go against Lucas's vision too. Admittedly, I can't blame the poor guy. But when you create a Tokien-esque fantasy epic, you need to be prepared to go full-Tolkien and explain the backstory too, or you'll get a crushed spirit and crappy fan edits.
 
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A few years ago I ran into Tim Zahn at a book show and asked him about how much freedom he received in writing the SW books. He responded that the Lucas people were extremely hands off and respected his vision. The only thing he said was edited out of one of his books was a conversation in which Chewie tells Luke that he was friends with Yoda. Luke is amazed, and Chewie tells him about his relationship with the Jedi, which Luke knew nothing about.
 
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Probe Droid said:
A few years ago I ran into Tim Zahn at a book show and asked him about how much freedom he received in writing the SW books. He responded that the Lucas people were extremely hands off and respected his vision. The only thing he said was edited out of one of his books was a conversation in which Chewie tells Luke that he was friends with Yoda. Luke is amazed, and Chewie tells him about his relationship with the Jedi, which Luke knew nothing about.
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Funny how GL lifted that very concept for ROTS!
 
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In part one of the talk with Kathleen Kennedy here Watch: George Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy Talk 'Star Wars' Sequel Stories and Potential Directors | Movie News | Movies.com Lucas says;

"..I have story treatments of seven eight and nine and a bunch of other movies, and obviously we have hundreds of books and comics and everything you can possibly imagine, so, you know, I sort of moved that treasure trove of stories and various things to Kathy, and I have complete confidence that she's gonna take them and make great movies.."

This suggests that the EU is considered part of the source material that can dipped into for these stories. It doesn't mean the Sequel Trilogy will be based upon the EU, but characters, locations or concepts could be brought across from it.
 
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Sluis Van Shipyards said:
I seriously hope they in no way have any enemy with a lightsaber. It's 20 years later, uh oh there's more Sith! That is one of the problems of the EU where there's a new Dark Side or Sith character all the time. In the Prequels it pretty much says a Jedi going to the Dark Side is pretty much unknown in modern times, let alone a Jedi falling to the Dark Side. It's also a problem with that comic series that is 100 years after ROTJ. The decide the Sith return and wipe out the Jedi again. Stupid lazy writing.

I want to see the OT characters in the movies, but I think the movies need to revolve around new characters. For example, they could show that Luke is in Yoda's position and rebuilt the Jedi Order, then have him providing guidance or giving missions to the new characters. I don't want to see them carrying the entire story.
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It's unknown in a time where the jedi have been in control of themsevles for centuries.

E7 would see a jedi population of 1 who never had complete and proper training and started that training at the age of 20 or so and not the normal 4-5.

Not to mention with all the other abilities shown in the prequels, Luke would be finding new abilities and have no one to guide him on whether they were good or not.

Seems to me it would be really easy for a jedi or student to fall to the wrong side in such circumstances. Doesn't have to be sith, but dark jedi or someone who simply doesn't agree with the Luke program so to speak.
 
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EyeofSauron said:
im pretty sure this is just a bullsh* attention grab, but still:
Darth Vader to be resurrected | Day & Night | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express
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I saw the same crazy thing!!:
Rumor Patrol: Will Darth Vader Return in ‘Star Wars: Episode 7′?

I don't see how you can bring back Vader if he was killed, burnt, or whatever....and is now a ghost. Unless you have a "Hellboy" type of thing where he is a Johann Krauss type of character....

On a side note: In the movies, wasn't there a looped "Jedi take refuge" type of transmition sent by Obi and Yoda in EP III? Wouldn't that leave it open for some new Jedi to be discovered?
 
I would love to see 2 things.
1st: Joe Johnston return to Star Wars, but this time as Director.
2nd: Shadows of the Empire made into a film.

I can't wait to see what happens, and neither can my kids.

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I dont know, i feel we know the story of the sith we know the story of the jedi! How many times can we tell it!? I like the idea of the swtor the mini movies are great in the games lets go that direction/
 
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bad jedi !=sith

Can just be a bad jedi, dark jedi whatever.....

There was a signal sent out to the effect of Jedi take cover. I would agree that one or more jedi could have stayed hidden during the OT. The line in ANH is that 'vader hunted down and killed all the jedi'. I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean, we know of two he didn't take down prior to ANH. Yoda tells luke he's the last, but Yoda's not beyond bending or hiding the truth, not is he incapable of being wrong.
 
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this was sent to me... that's so wrong! =x

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dt23 said:
this was sent to me... that's so wrong! =x

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For the record, if that's what I can expect? Nope. Won't see it. They said "Whatever, you'll buy it" (not to me specifically, but you get my point) about the blu-rays and you know what? Nope. Haven't bought 'em.

Not everyone's a junkie who easily falls victim to marketing.
 
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gonk27 said:
In part one of the talk with Kathleen Kennedy here Watch: George Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy Talk 'Star Wars' Sequel Stories and Potential Directors | Movie News | Movies.com Lucas says;

"..I have story treatments of seven eight and nine and a bunch of other movies, and obviously we have hundreds of books and comics and everything you can possibly imagine, so, you know, I sort of moved that treasure trove of stories and various things to Kathy, and I have complete confidence that she's gonna take them and make great movies.."

This suggests that the EU is considered part of the source material that can dipped into for these stories. It doesn't mean the Sequel Trilogy will be based upon the EU, but characters, locations or concepts could be brought across from it.
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I've said that Lucas said that numerous times, and obviously there's that video, but it fell on deaf ears. Somehow if you say EU people hear "Do the Zahn Trilogy as a movie!" and not "Hey there are some good characters, ships, environments, etc. there that we can use in the movie."
 
Sluis Van Shipyards said:
I've said that Lucas said that numerous times, and obviously there's that video, but it fell on deaf ears. Somehow if you say EU people hear "Do the Zahn Trilogy as a movie!" and not "Hey there are some good characters, ships, environments, etc. there that we can use in the movie."
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Because if you do the latter, it implies a retcon.
 
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