Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If only the Jedi religion would allow not just the really cool lightsabers, but Also Jedi blaster training. Can you imagine how well a unit of Jedi could aim rifles?

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What I want to see in terms of Jedi action is them using their minds to fight. Or sheer hand to hand combat. There was some in the PT, but not enough. The Gendy Tartovski Clone Wars had a really cool episode where Mace Windu lost his lightsaber and had to fight off an army of droids single handed with only his mind and body. VERY COOL fight! I hope we get to see some action like this in the new trilogy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A07WNupEXk

The best section of the fight starts at the 3 minute mark.

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

At the very least it will give us something else to kvetch about besides the prequels.

I'm cautiously optimistic that it won't come to that, and that Episodes VII, VIII, and IX will be something we Star Wars fans can be proud of once again.

Hey, it could happen.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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What I wonder about is let's say Anakin can be more powerful than Yoda. Yoda has studied for over 900 YEARS as a Jedi. How can Anakin ever possibly learn more to be more powerful than Yoda?! I guess maybe he could jump higher or use the Force for a longer period without tiring.

Think of it as the old decently above average mathematician having studied all his life and then coming across a mathematical genius who can learn all he spent a lifetime to learn in a few years. What the genius doesn't learn is the experience of time and learning, so grows bored and look for the next big challenge and the person to teach it.

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Think of it as the old decently above average mathematician having studied all his life and then coming across a mathematical genius who can learn all he spent a lifetime to learn in a few years. What the genius doesn't learn is the experience of time and learning, so grows bored and look for the next big challenge and the person to teach it.

Well put. To add to that I say that it's also about potential, Anakin is more powerful than Yoda in terms of raw capability but at the beginning that power is untapped and Yoda can do more because of his experience and training but once Anakin starts to learn he will be able to do more than Yoda can. However, going back to the experience thing, Yoda will be better at doing things because of his experience and training, for example where Yoda could pick up something extremely delicate using the Force Anakin would crush it attempting to pick it up or Yoda could Force pull a glass of water from across the table to his hand Anakin would end up with the glass hitting him in the face and wind up all wet.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Palpatine insinuated he had a little something to do with that pregnancy.

Yeah, well, Palpatine was full of ****.

 

[Laspector]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Wait, I thought QuiGon said "it's through the midiclhlorians we can communicatwe with the force." My take on it was that the midichlorians actually had nothing to do with the Force, they are simply a doorway, a communication system by which someone is able to access the Force.

Yes, the more midichlorians you might have, the (for lack of a better way to put it) bigger opening you have for accessing it's powers. They are just a tool through which you can communicate with the Force. They are not the actual Force itself.

I always thought of them as like this "telephone" to the Force. But think of the Force itself as being another language. Anyone can use the phone but in order to talk to this Force in it's own language, it takes training and knowledge. That's how someone becomes more powerful with the Force, through training, knowledge, and practice.

Anyway, that's how I've always looked at it.

 

[jme3]

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Wait, I thought QuiGon said "it's through the midiclhlorians we can communicatwe with the force." My take on it was that the midichlorians actually had nothing to do with the Force, they are simply a doorway, a communication system by which someone is able to access the Force.

Yes, the more midichlorians you might have, the (for lack of a better way to put it) bigger opening you have for accessing it's powers. They are just a tool through which you can communicate with the Force. They are not the actual Force itself.

I always thought of them as like this "telephone" to the Force. But think of the Force itself as being another language. Anyone can use the phone but in order to talk to this Force in it's own language, it takes training and knowledge. That's how someone becomes more powerful with the Force, through training, knowledge, and practice.

Anyway, that's how I've always looked at it.

That's an interesting viewpoint and one I tend to agree with.

Think of it as the old decently above average mathematician having studied all his life and then coming across a mathematical genius who can learn all he spent a lifetime to learn in a few years. What the genius doesn't learn is the experience of time and learning, so grows bored and look for the next big challenge and the person to teach it.

^Yes to this idea... As a rough, contemporary, counter- analogy, it's like the children of today who don't have to go back and learn how to use a yesteryear telephone that connected to an operator in order to use an iPhone of today. Their minds don't have to be cluttered with all the baby steps of the past in order to get to where they need to be today, so the mind is freer to absorb even more going forward that an older mind has a disadvantage with since it's already cluttered with the things of the past... I.E., Anakin wouldn't need to retrace ALL the steps Yoda had to take in order to reach the power level Yoda is at; the learning may be more condensed and potent, so to speak...

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

One thing that I'm REALLY excited about is seeing what kind of production design this new trilogy will have. As much as I don't care for the PT, the costumes, props, ships, locations, aliens, were pretty awesome overall. It'll be really cool to see what these new movies will look like.

 

[jme3]

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One thing that I'm REALLY excited about is seeing what kind of production design this new trilogy will have. As much as I don't care for the PT, the costumes, props, ships, locations, aliens, were pretty awesome overall. It'll be really cool to see what these new movies will look like.

Same here. I don't think there's anything I'm not excited about for this trilogy...! And beyond the movies, this sort of thing always makes for very nice coffee table books, so we get to enjoy it even more in-depth!. :lol

 

[Laspector]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I want them to go back to the "used" universe look of the OT. I'm tired of Naboo Flash Gordon ships and technology. I want the broken down, dirty, and repaired a hundred times look of the original.

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Hate to disappoint you, but while 20 years of oppression can take you from PT to OT in the looks/used universe department, 30 years after overthrowing the oppression - you'll look closer to PT than OT i'd think. There'd be some areas that are still in bad times, but not everything.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Hate to disappoint you, but while 20 years of oppression can take you from PT to OT in the looks/used universe department, 30 years after overthrowing the oppression - you'll look closer to PT than OT i'd think. There'd be some areas that are still in bad times, but not everything.

Actually... you'd probably go through a period of overly splendid designs only to get a recession in terms of public opinion changing from the extravagant to something more down to Earth, if you will.

Look at how it went after WW2 - fifties and sixties cars were big and flashy... then came the hippie generation of smaller, boxier, crappier cars.

Could be the same in Star Wars, so you'd get a mix of "flashy and richly designed" and very "practical and stripped of design" vehicles. That was always what felt missing from the PT - a mix of the pretty with the run down.

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I want them to go back to the "used" universe look of the OT. I'm tired of Naboo Flash Gordon ships and technology. I want the broken down, dirty, and repaired a hundred times look of the original.

I noticed that a lot of people mention the whole lived in thing about the OT but when you really stop to think about only the Rebels had equipment that was all used and grungy looking. With the exception of the Sandtroopers and anywhere on Tattooine, everything associated with the Empire was pretty much all shiny and squeaky clean, then there's cloud city which was also pretty much sparkly and shiny. Even the Rebellion wasn't all grunge and dirt, certainly by Jedi when we got to see the insides of the Mon Cal cruisers everything was nice and whit and shiny. So I don't get where this idea of OT being all used and lived in comes from when so much of it was a shiny and clean as the PT.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Nope. Not squeaky clean. The floors were not freshly cleaned, but used, there were marks, scruffs and dirt everywhere, like something has when it's being used and the cleaning crews only come in at night or in the early hours of the morning.

Never felt that way in the PT - it never felt lived in.

 

[Edwardowan]

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I noticed that a lot of people mention the whole lived in thing about the OT but when you really stop to think about only the Rebels had equipment that was all used and grungy looking. With the exception of the Sandtroopers and anywhere on Tattooine, everything associated with the Empire was pretty much all shiny and squeaky clean, then there's cloud city which was also pretty much sparkly and shiny. Even the Rebellion wasn't all grunge and dirt, certainly by Jedi when we got to see the insides of the Mon Cal cruisers everything was nice and whit and shiny. So I don't get where this idea of OT being all used and lived in comes from when so much of it was a shiny and clean as the PT.

true but much of the setting of New Hope was tatooine and you had junk piles and wrecks at Mos Eisley, Lukes Landspeeder was banged up from years of use and abuse, The Millenium Falcon was a piece of junk, the sandcrawler was a garbage truck, the droids were covered in grime, dirt and dripped oil and even on the Tantive IV which was clean on the inside the droids were banged up and threepio needed a buff job. Even Vader had a battle worn look (C-scar anyone?! )

Most of what we saw that had the lived in used look was on Tatooine and once we went back there in Attack of the Clones we did see this again.
I don't mind shiny and clean but I think what most are saying is we would like to see a few dings and scrapes... just to give it a more real look. My new Honda CRV is shiny and new too but a few people managed to open their damn door and ding the side of it in a few places and there is road grunge near the wheel wells.

 

[Psab keel]

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I suppose what people also refer to is things being over designed in the PT. The budget was so low for the original Star Wars that they didn't have the money to CNC machine lightsabers, for example. So the production team had to create them from found parts. I think subconsciously that people recognize say a lightsaber, or a blaster as familiar because they were based off of real world items. The prequels made streamlined and polished versions of these (and many other iconic items). Which isn't a bad thing, as given the time frame of the story, many of these items would be nearly brand new.

I too would like to see more of a used universe look as well, but I could see a healthy mix of both in the new trilogy, depending on the story needs, the locations and the characters.

It's insane to think that we may be replicating props, models, costumes, and sets from this new trilogy! How cool is that?

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Nope. Not squeaky clean. The floors were not freshly cleaned, but used, there were marks, scruffs and dirt everywhere, like something has when it's being used and the cleaning crews only come in at night or in the early hours of the morning.

Never felt that way in the PT - it never felt lived in.

I think that had more to do with the times than production design. Meaning that they didn't have computers to digitally clean the floors in post-production so the scuff marks, scratches, etc. from crew and camera couldn't be gotten rid of with the time and budget that they had for those movies, ANH especially.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I think that had more to do with the times than production design. Meaning that they didn't have computers to digitally clean the floors in post-production so the scuff marks, scratches, etc. from crew and camera couldn't be gotten rid of with the time and budget that they had for those movies, ANH especially.

Lucas specifically told the cleaning crews that they shouldn't clean the sets during OT production. Very well documented.

What I felt was wrong with the PT was that all those things were clean and brand new... and NONE of the designs carried over as junk in the OT. There's just no connection. It would have made more sense to see much of the junk of the OT in its pristine and new condition in the PT. The designs don't even mesh - they are two completely different styles.

 

[gizmo]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What I felt was wrong with the PT was that all those things were clean and brand new... and NONE of the designs carried over as junk in the OT. There's just no connection. It would have made more sense to see much of the junk of the OT in its pristine and new condition in the PT. The designs don't even mesh - they are two completely different styles.

Yeah that's the main reason why me and the PT don't get along. Sure I like them a little but I just don't feel any attachment to them like I do with the OT. Not much of the PT feels lived in at all.

Ben