Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I seem to recall that human females also have a thing called a biological father. So taking your comment to it's most logical conclusion, you don't think a female character would work because she won't have a dick.

The certainly do. But the relationship between a father and a son is VERY different to that of a father and daughter. This has nothing to do with genitals.

 

[Jeyl]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The certainly do. But the relationship between a father and a son is VERY different to that of a father and daughter.

Explain.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Explain.

Hard to explain unless you have experience. Watch a father with his son, it's very much a tough love mentorship. Watch a father with his daughter, it's a much more protective relationship (whether right or wrong). He's walking on egg shells and she generally has the run of him.

 

[Jeyl]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Hard to explain unless you have experience. Watch a father with his son, it's very much a tough love mentorship. Watch a father with his daughter, it's a much more protective relationship (whether right or wrong). He's walking on egg shells and she generally has the run of him.

And that experience should dictate the absolute rule of a father/daughter relationship across every medium?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

And that experience should dictate the absolute rule of a father/daughter relationship across every medium?

No but it has thus far dictated the tone of Episodes 1-6. That same tone should be carried forth through 7, 8, and 9.

Make all the spin off's only women if you like, but the "trilogy of trilogies" is a father son relationship of the type that making it a father daughter thing would not fit.

 

[Timmythekid]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, at the risk of sounding sexist, I think if you want to pursue SW along the lines of classical mythology the Father/Son thing is a very different creature than Father/Daughter. Father/Son comes with all kinds of baggage about supplanting the father figure and/or trying not to become what the father figure was. Father/Daughter? Not so much. How many stories concern themselves with Daughter supplanting Father, or righting father's wrongs? As has been pointed out, it's a much more protective relationship. Not to say it couldn't work in some story, you just buy yourself some culturally ingrained (at least in the West) mythological connection if the story is Father/Son.

 

[Timmythekid]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, but he's not dead...not yet.

Oh. My. God. Yes. A thousand times yes. If there were any way to disguise him even, under a hood, shot from behind, something, just without making it a gigantic build-up to a an obvious reveal...then just quietly re-introduce him that way. That would take someone helming who understood subtlety to make it work though.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What about the mother/daughter relationship? Leia and her daughter. It's along the same line as father/son. Would that work for you?

 

[CJS]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

In a spin off, sure.



Who says they have twins? EU is being thrown out the door from what I've heard. Would be interesting though. Or even better... Luke ends up going to the Dark Side and Leia's kid goes up against him.



20 years ago I would have applauded this. Now he's one of those directors who is far too focused on the visual as opposed to the story. :thumbsdown

I'm not a super fan of Star Wars. Love the movies but definitely not in the know with alot of the goings ons lol. How old would Fett have been in Attack of the Clones? Ok NM I did the basic math and I guess Fett would be like George Burns lol. I would still like to see a Fett character. Maybe a second gen Jango clone but totally ruthless, maybe even become a Sith trained bounty hunter. That'd be cool.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What about the mother/daughter relationship? Leia and her daughter. It's along the same line as father/son. Would that work for you?

That could work as it's much closer, but in terms of this story she hasn't been established as having any kind of force ability. Obviously she does being Anakin's daughter but the natural "mentor" in an arching story that centres on the Jedi is Luke.

It would be odd to come in to Ep.7 and have Leia as some lightsaber weilding Jedi. It's not her path.

 

[Jeyl]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

No but it has thus far dictated the tone of Episodes 1-6.

Yeah, and you know what else? That story was finished. What you're saying is that you want to continue the male dynamic for the sake of it just being male dynamic, and that is ridiculous. Yes, there ARE certain differences between a son/daughter relationship when it comes to their parents, but that should never be looked at as an absolute, let alone a dictation as to how Star Wars must be presented.

Make all the spin off's only women if you like

Why? So that whenever someone talks about the importance of a female lead, you can throw a "I don't count spinoff material because they're not a part of the real story" argument? There are Star Wars fans who are like that you know.

 

[Jeyl]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It would be odd to come in to Ep.7 and have Leia as some lightsaber weilding Jedi. It's not her path.

Totally.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Anikin had no father (yeah he was born on Dec 25th) Luke had no relationship with his father (met him twice), he only knew Ben for what 2-3 days? I don't see how this story is about a father/son relationship since that relationship never happened. He dosen't need anybody to tell him about the failings of the Old Order, that history is known by many throughout the SW universe (plus he has those sparkly glowy ghosts to help him!) About the only thing that would keep me from seeing the next film would be the return of Fett. His story is fully completed in RCSW

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, and you know what else? That story was finished. What you're saying is that you want to continue the male dynamic for the sake of it just being male dynamic, and that is ridiculous. Yes, there ARE certain differences between a son/daughter relationship when it comes to their parents, but that should never be looked at as an absolute, let alone a dictation as to how Star Wars must be presented.

As has been mentioned in this thread before, "Episode 7, 8, 9" indicates it's the same story. So no, this story is NOT finished. Otherwise why call it 7, 8, & 9?

Why? So that whenever someone talks about the importance of a female lead, you can throw a "I don't count spinoff material because they're not a part of the real story" argument? There are Star Wars fans who are like that you know.

Spin off material would absolutely be part of the story. An official part. My biggest issue is that it doesn't fit into THIS story.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Totally.

:rolleyes

Again, as has been mentioned many times by Lucasfilm, EU is being thrown out the window. The character of Leia in the films is a politician, to have a sequel of her as a Jedi without the build up to it would be jarring to say the least and would make NO sense in terms of the films.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Anikin had no father (yeah he was born on Dec 25th) Luke had no relationship with his father (met him twice), he only knew Ben for what 2-3 days? I don't see how this story is about a father/son relationship since that relationship never happened.

Disagree:

Ep1 - QGJ is a father figure to Obi & Anakin.
Ep2 - Obi is a father figure (or at least older brother) to Anakin.
Ep3 - Obi, Mace, & Palpatine all play fatherly roles to Anakin.
Ep4 - Obi is a father figure to Luke, Han the big brother.
Ep5 - Obi (as a ghost) and Yoda are father figures to Luke. Big daddy reveal
Ep6 - Yoda & Vader are father figures and it's all about the redemption of Dad. Palpatine tries to take over that role and fails.

He dosen't need anybody to tell him about the failings of the Old Order, that history is known by many throughout the SW universe (plus he has those sparkly glowy ghosts to help him!)

I'll give you the ghosts, but the fall of the old order is different from the fall of the Jedi. Still though, you're right, ghosts.

About the only thing that would keep me from seeing the next film would be the return of Fett. His story is fully completed in RCSW

Ya, I'd like a spin off but Fett is dead. (EU notwithstanding)

 

[CJS]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Anikin had no father (yeah he was born on Dec 25th) Luke had no relationship with his father (met him twice), he only knew Ben for what 2-3 days? I don't see how this story is about a father/son relationship since that relationship never happened. He dosen't need anybody to tell him about the failings of the Old Order, that history is known by many throughout the SW universe (plus he has those sparkly glowy ghosts to help him!) About the only thing that would keep me from seeing the next film would be the return of Fett. His story is fully completed in RCSW

LOL just to keep it going, wouldnt they have his DNA and be able to clone a Fett lol. They did it with Dick Clark for what.....500 years lol?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

LOL just to keep it going, wouldnt they have his DNA and be able to clone a Fett lol. They did it with Dick Clark for what.....500 years lol?

:lol

Honestly though I'd like to see them deal with the clones like the dealt with Midichlorians... Never mention them again.

 

[CJS]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

:lol

Honestly though I'd like to see them deal with the clones like the dealt with Midichlorians... Never mention them again.

Fair enough. As long as theres no Tarazan howling wookies in any of them I'll be ok. If that happens again I will burn the screen down in the theatre. On a side note. Don't you work lol?

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I don't fell that to be properly considered EP. 7, 8, & 9 that the story needs to deal with Luke, Leia, & Han or even necessarily their children. While the children of the big 3 would help they aren't really necessary and the big 3 themselves certainly aren't a necessary part for the sequels to be considered Eps 7, 8, 9, what it needs is something of a continuation of the overall story about the struggle within the Force between Light and Dark and the Rebellion and what remains of the Empire.