Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

Sandwiching? Oh come on, she is ahead from both of them and taking the center stage as the star, while Kylo Ren is almost invisible. She is not holding a lightsaber, but doesn't mean she can't whoop people's ass with her own weapon.

Vivek, simply having the female character be capable of kicking people's butts is not enough. Even if Rei does manage to do something that garners attention, she still has two more films to go. And if the previous Star Wars movies are any indication, she's in for a harsh ride. Both the original and prequel trilogies started with their sole female leads strong and competent yet by the end they were reduced to the level of emotional plot baggage for the male characters. Rei 'could' start out strong in this movie but take a complete back seat by the end for some male character's development. This is going to be a long uphill battle. If the people making these films still respect Lucas, well...

Lucas: Again, it's like poetry. So that they rhyme. Every stanza kind of rhymes with the last one.​

They're likely to respect the dumb stuff too.
 
We were discussing weapons hence the talk was limited to that. I am sure she is going to do more than just kick butts. She will be a more compelling character than Padme ever was.

I get you have been burned before after being invested in these characters and seeing them sidelined later on, hence you are susceptible to disappointment even before the first movie of this trilogy rolls out.

All I will say to you is this: Trust Kathleen Kennedy.
 
All I will say to you is this: Trust Kathleen Kennedy.

I would if her filmography wasn't a beat for beat match for Spielberg's. i.e. It's hardly a place for female representation. Some movies that Kathleen and Spielberg did together have some of the most unfortunate cases of poorly portrayed female characters I've seen in movies period. We are talking about characters who contribute nothing, are the source of why things go wrong and are often considered a burden on the male leads. She took part in "The Last Airbender" which took a series that had wonderful and memorable female characters and reduced them to... I still don't what they are. One other shining example of this unfortunately comes from a series you and I know too well. Yeah, they didn't plan on making a sequel, but their number one priority when they did was figuring out how to get of her. I've watched every bonus feature and listened to every commentary track and not once did anyone consider the idea of her contributing anything to the main story.

Now I will accept and acknowledge that Kathleen Kennedy has worked on films that are genuine classics, but having her be the voice of assurance that Star Wars will have better female representation? I would sooner accept that coming from Bob Iger than Kathleen Kennedy. At least the Disney branded material is strong on the female representation front.
 
OK, I'll be the politically incorrect one and say I really don't care as long as the movies are good.

If only the folks running the new Ghostbusters threads shared that sentimentality. But like you, I do hope these films turn out to be good and I should give Kathleen credit for making the second Disney Star Wars film with a leading lady since Marvel will be about 20 films in before they have theirs.
 
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:wacko No one cares about your "agenda"....


I would if her filmography wasn't a beat for beat match for Spielberg's. i.e. It's hardly a place for female representation. Some movies that Kathleen and Spielberg did together have some of the most unfortunate cases of poorly portrayed female characters I've seen in movies period. We are talking about characters who contribute nothing, are the source of why things go wrong and are often considered a burden on the male leads. She took part in "The Last Airbender" which took a series that had wonderful and memorable female characters and reduced them to... I still don't what they are. One other shining example of this unfortunately comes from a series you and I know too well. Yeah, they didn't plan on making a sequel, but their number one priority when they did was figuring out how to get of her. I've watched every bonus feature and listened to every commentary track and not once did anyone consider the idea of her contributing anything to the main story.

Now I will accept and acknowledge that Kathleen Kennedy has worked on films that are genuine classics, but having her be the voice of assurance that Star Wars will have better female representation? I would sooner accept that coming from Bob Iger than Kathleen Kennedy. At least the Disney branded material is strong on the female representation front.

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:wacko No one cares about your "agenda"....


I would if her filmography wasn't a beat for beat match for Spielberg's. i.e. It's hardly a place for female representation. Some movies that Kathleen and Spielberg did together have some of the most unfortunate cases of poorly portrayed female characters I've seen in movies period. We are talking about characters who contribute nothing, are the source of why things go wrong and are often considered a burden on the male leads. She took part in "The Last Airbender" which took a series that had wonderful and memorable female characters and reduced them to... I still don't what they are. One other shining example of this unfortunately comes from a series you and I know too well. Yeah, they didn't plan on making a sequel, but their number one priority when they did was figuring out how to get of her. I've watched every bonus feature and listened to every commentary track and not once did anyone consider the idea of her contributing anything to the main story.

Now I will accept and acknowledge that Kathleen Kennedy has worked on films that are genuine classics, but having her be the voice of assurance that Star Wars will have better female representation? I would sooner accept that coming from Bob Iger than Kathleen Kennedy. At least the Disney branded material is strong on the female representation front.
 
he took part in "The Last Airbender" which took a series that had wonderful and memorable female characters and reduced them to... I still don't what they are. One other shining example of this unfortunately comes from a series you and I know too well. Yeah, they didn't plan on making a sequel, but their number one priority when they did was figuring out how to get of her. I've watched every bonus feature and listened to every commentary track and not once did anyone consider the idea of her contributing anything to the main story.

The Last Airbender? Oh come on, everything about that movie was a trainwreck.

That's like saying "Saddam Hussein was a woman-abuser!!!" He abused pretty much everyone who came into his line of sight.


As for Doc & Marty, they probably would have gotten rid of any other male character who had ended up in that car too. They were focused on the Doc & Marty dynamic. The whole franchise was kind of like a buddy-movie with more of an age difference than usual.
 
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I just find it funny that of all the women on this site and probably even in this very thread, it's Jeyl who is the one bringing this subject up, and the only one fighting it.
 
I just find it funny that of all the women on this site and probably even in this very thread, it's Jeyl who is the one bringing this subject up, and the only one fighting it.
Count me into that too. The underrepresentation of women in Hollywood has been bugging me for years. And star wars is one of the worst offenders.
 
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