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Exactly. That's why I didn't like the Dark Empire series. If this rumor is true I'm done with new SW. That's just dumb. In fact it's about the dumbest thing they could come up with.

Just recall all the "Heath Ledger was a horrible choice for the Joker" talk. Remember we don't have any solid info and if it is true, it would have to be convincing enough for Disney to sign off on it, they don't want to be ruin their first SW film... They are in it for the long haul with SW. EP VII has to work for them, they are not stupid.
 
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Great anology!

I borderline despised HL before his part as the joker.

I will always love Nicholson as the joker too...

But Mark nailed the joker voice in the animated series and wouldn't mind seeing HIM take the role of the joker in a live action movie...

But let's face it... Heath was the best thing in the nolanverse batman...

A WHOLE LOT of us were wrong on that one!!!

Just recall all the "Heath Ledger was a horrible choice for the Joker" talk. Remember we don't have any solid info and if it is true, it would have to be convincing enough for Disney to sign off on it, they don't want to be ruin their first SW film... They are in it for the long haul with SW. EP VII has to work for them, they are not stupid.
 
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I sincerely hope that JJ has mastered playing the fans anticipation violin so well that the spoiler is just an orchestrated discord ...

And if Harry Knowles did not report this to help us out and enjoy the movies again,well then kudos !!!

Maybe JJ has filmed more than one version of the ending. Its not uncommon these days ...

I just wish that SuperShadow had reported those plot points. But then again,he's just good friends qith GL.

Damn, I hope that the movie is so good that I do not have to get rid of all my star wars stuff. Because the changes that are pointed at may really soundl like they could mess with my feelings for a huge part of my personal life. Is it time for "the couch"???

If they went for a "Father!"moment, then this time it feels strongly like "I'm NOT your father!". A lie.

Anyone remember when Boygroups broke apart and fans went totally vrazy? I can see a similar acenario here ....

But maybe LEIA just was not the other one that Yoda and Ben referred to ...
 
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Its one of the big problems with EpIII, Anakin has to turn evil because he was evil in episode IV.

Slaughtering the sand people and beheading Tyranus being 1 and 2 did not automatically make, kill jedi children 3.

There needed to be more steps than that, something more logical than "to save my wife and kid, I will kill everyones elses kid"
I remember seeing an interview of sorts with Lucas (maybe in one of the DVD featurettes?) in which he discussed sitting down to write the script for Episode III. He said something to the effect that he realized only then that he'd spent so much time on politics in Episodes I and II that he didn't know how he could fit everything into Episode III that he needed in order to tell the story he wanted to tell, and came just short of admitting he'd screwed up and was going to have to rush Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.
 
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James Gunn linked to this article and mentioned the following.

On Huge Star Wars Episode 7 Spoilers and Leaked Information - /Film

James Gunn:

"Major kudos to Slash Film (and Badass digest and whoever else) for acting like human beings and not publishing the Star Wars spoiler. I unfortunately stumbled across it. Anyone who didn't publish it has won me over big time. I know most sites that published it didn't mean harm, but if you love movies, it'd be honorable if you helped the rest of us love them more, instead of, admittedly probably unintentionally, depriving us of our pleasure.

I love movies. I love being surprised in movies. And call me a dreamer, but I think film journalism should be about more than 'scoops'."
 
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Change Luke to Leia in that rumor, and I actually like it. But Ever & Oak is absolutely right; turning Luke to the dark side after renouncing it in RotJ trivializes the character's entire struggle in the OT.
 
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If this crap ends up being correct, not only is it a huge fail as far as protecting the story.. But the story itself sucks. An idiot could see how stupid the idea is. And it completely screws the point of the original movies.. I refuse to believe it. But I'm afraid. And jj needs to address this crap STAT!
 
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Why I think most of what’s being written is total bollocks.

Given the resources they have the powers to be could kill every rumour that ever came out about SW VII currently. IF they wanted too. Anyone remember “Prometheus”? I’d suggest you might want to go back and read the thread (at least up to the point it got released).
Never, in the history of film making did we , the internet or the press , get things so wrong. Scripts, storylines, characters, the aliens, the themes even after the trailers were shown. Fox killed almost every major leak, very nearly until the premiere. Some rumours, supposedly 100% accurate were anything but. Not alot has changed since then I think.
I don’t believe the current major spate because circumstantial evidence doesn’t seem give it any foundation.
Firstly the shooting schedule doesn’t seem to support it. Its evident from the Ireland Island sequence, that Mark and Daisy appear to be meeting there, and that ,if they were shooting a cyborg character, it would be obviously better that Mark DOESN’T have a beard. A bearded Cyborg? Nope, not buying that. The effects department would have a fit.
Luke and Leia. Last of the Jedi. In theory the most important individuals in the galaxy. Luke sees the force ghosts, hears their voices, even his father's now, whom he redeems from the dark side, which wais basically what the whole trilogy was about. So suddenly he decides to go there? Despite three of the most influential Jedi EVER watching over him?
I’d buy the fact he went into hiding, or he is hunting Jedi artefacts. As one of the last remaining Jedi, I’d accept that he might have been kidnapped by persons intent on re-establishing the Sith order ,particularly as Luke has the singularly “new and only power” to see force ghosts, which previously did not exist, until Yoda and then Kenobi found away.
The Sith totally lacked this “force influence” and it destroyed them. What better way than to recreate the Sith regime than by bringing back the ghosts of those that understand the Darkside in its totality. Luke would be of immeasurable value to those seeking that kind of power.
The “Daisy in the Desert” could have a certain truth about it, except it is far too like Luke’s origin story. The fact she is critical to the entire trilogy (she's got the three film deal), and both she and John were out there shooting in Dubi might support it, but ,lets face it, its just as easy to make up that story about them (and a dozen others so far!).
I will reiterate the fact that what has been written so far seems so juvenile and weak I just don’t accept most of it. This film is probably the MOST CRITICALLY IMPORTANT release Disney/Lucasfilm will ever attempt. Therefore the STORY MUST ring true, and very little I’ve read so far appears to do that. Literally BILLIONS of dollars of investment depend on this first one being absolutely dead to rights. If it doesn't do it heads will roll, and the fallout will make Order 66 look like a picnic in the park.
And once again , I would point out that the people involved in this are diehard SW fans. The level of Bantha poo-doo scripting\currently rumoured to exist is just so far below that expectation I’d have ***king well shot the team involved through the lungs and tossed the lot of them into the garbage shoot for a good mashing in the trash compactor.
Given the care I have seen to recreate the visuals in this so far I simply think this is just NOT be the case and no way what we will getting.
 
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I’m starting to believe that everything we have been hearing lately is disinformation. While going to such lengths - and with all the detail we have seen - may seem like i am being very “tin foil hat”, bear in mind the following:

1. William Shatner recently noted that JJ Abrams asked him to read the script for Start Trek (2009). Shatner later found out it was a fake script, just given to him to gauge his interest in the film. That’s a pretty fair amount of effort there - creating a whole fake script (say 90-120 pages) just to preserve secrecy. And giving it to someone as important to Trek as William Shatner, to boot.

2. A new ‘spy report” today (which I won’t link to here), makes numerous references to the “laser sword” - and then, in the same breath, references “the Felucians from Star Wars: The Clone Wars.” C’mon - someone doesn’t know the term “lightsaber”, but they know “the Felucians from Star Wars: The Clone Wars”? Geez - so the “spy” knows about “the Felucians from Star Wars: The Clone Wars” but doesn’t know the term “lightsaber”?

M

(edit to correct many, but not all, of the billions and billions of typos.)
 
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Rest easy, my friends, a rumor misread this may be!

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/10/h...-wars-episode-vii-remember-failure-back-cave/

- - - Updated - - -

I’m starting to believe that everything we have been hearing lately is disinformation. While going to such lengths - and with all the detail we have seen - may seem like i am being very “tin foil hat”, bear in mind the following:

1. William Shatner recently noted that JJ Abrams asked him to read the script for Start Trek (2009). Shatner later found out it was a fake script, just given to him to gauge his interest in the film. That’s a pretty fair amount of effort there - creating a whole fake script (say 90-120 pages) just to preserve secrecy. And giving it to someone as important to Trek as William Shatner, to boot.

2. A new ‘spy report” today (which I won’t link to here), makes numerous references to the “laser sword” - and then, in the same breath, references “the Felucians from Star Wars: The Clone Wars.” C’mon - someone doesn’t know the term “lightsaber”, but they know “the Felucians from Star Wars: The Clone Wars”? Geez - so the “spy” knows about “the Felucians from Star Wars: The Clone Wars” but doesn’t know the term “lightsaber”?

M

(edit to correct many, but not all, of the billions and billions of typos.)

The use of the term laser sword by that rumor guy is intentional, he uses it to actually flush out BS stories. It's also a nod to GL who always refers to lightsbaets as laser swords.
 
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The use of the term laser sword by that rumor guy is intentional, he uses it to actually flush out BS stories. It's also a nod to GL who always refers to lightsbaets as laser swords.

Bryancd - can you explain? I'm not getting how his usage of "laser sword" flushes out BS stories.

M
 
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Bryancd - can you explain? I'm not getting how his usage of "laser sword" flushes out BS stories.

M

Listen to Jason's podcast "Now this is Podcasting" from I think last week and he talks about it. I was sort of half listening but he did say he uses the term intentionally.
 
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I still DO buy it, and I don't think it's a bad thing. Even though the prequels tried to change it, these are still separate trilogies. The Original Trilogy I STILL consider to be it's own story, and stands well on it's own. This is a whole new trilogy, a whole new story, and it isn't Luke's story anymore.

And not everything is happily ever after... If something went completely off the rails and Luke did somehow turn, it's not the story of his redemption, it's going to be the story of the new cast and dealing with his turn and how to solve it.

I never liked the views that if you look at the first 6 movies it's really about Vader's redemption. No. It's Annakin's story for 3 flicks, then Luke's. Now Kira's (maybe?).

A hero can fall... I've watched my own personal hero fall over and over... but still...

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Love this guy!

I can take Luke falling if it happens, cuz it makes it all the more sweet when they come out the other side.
 
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Luke fell when he raged on Vader when Vader mentioned turning his "sister". Yoda said something to the fact that once you turn down the path of the Dark Side, forever will it be your destiny... Something like that... I can see Luke going down the path of "Like Father Like Son"... I think it's a cool idea really.
 
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Luke fell when he raged on Vader when Vader mentioned turning his "sister". Yoda said something to the fact that once you turn down the path of the Dark Side, forever will it be your destiny... Something like that... I can see Luke going down the path of "Like Father Like Son"... I think it's a cool idea really.

That was a lapse from a Jedi who wasn't even fully trained. That wasn't fully going to the Dark Side. I think they're just going to tick off a lot of fans if they went that way. It would be like making the next Indiana Jones where Indy is now a Nazi for some reason.
 
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I think it does have a lot of potential from the standpoint of the first of three films, but I also think Jason Ward may be right in so far as this is a cave on Dagobah moment for Ridleys character we are hearing about out of context.
 
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I remember seeing an interview of sorts with Lucas (maybe in one of the DVD featurettes?) in which he discussed sitting down to write the script for Episode III. He said something to the effect that he realized only then that he'd spent so much time on politics in Episodes I and II that he didn't know how he could fit everything into Episode III that he needed in order to tell the story he wanted to tell, and came just short of admitting he'd screwed up and was going to have to rush Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.

Even though the prequels tried to change it, these are still separate trilogies. The Original Trilogy I STILL consider to be it's own story, and stands well on it's own.

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I never liked the views that if you look at the first 6 movies it's really about Vader's redemption. No. It's Annakin's story for 3 flicks, then Luke's.

These are part of my grumpiness with Star Wars that dates back to Return of the Jedi. Prior to that I was too young to notice the ramifications of the Episode numbers, and wasn't digging into the "making of" stuff yet. But George's original notes were for twelve installments -- six "From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker", and six -- preceding -- "From the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi". After Star Wars, when he was looking at the realistic possibility of sequels, he scaled the earlier stories to three (didn't have much in the way of notes for that period, and was developing more going forward from A New Hope), and in his circum-Empire interviews talked about a nine film saga, and the re-release of Star Wars in theaters now had "Episode IV" tacked onto it. After Empire, though, he was starting to get tired of doing Star Wars movies and shoehorned the rest of what would have been four films into one and went on to other things. Like Howard the Duck.

When he looked at revisiting A New Hope for its twentieth anniversary, Rick McCallum was the one who persuaded Lucas to do the Prequels and, during pre-production for those, that the arc was the story of Anakin's rise, fall, and redemption. The less I say about that, the better. I do not know enough cuss words in enough languages to adequately express my great contempt for the post-Empire handling of Star Wars canon. "Fixing" all of that, amongst other things, is what I was addressing in my rewrites that I mentioned over in the "Things You're Tired of Seeing in Films" thread.

Six films From the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi -- establishing the setting, introducing Kenobi as a young Jedi Knight, going through his discovery of Anakin, the years-long series of related conflicts later referred to by historians as the Clone Wars, the eventual and inevitable fall of the corrupt Republic, the loss of Anakin to a new Dark Lord of the Sith, the Jedi Purge, and Kenobi going into hiding as the galaxy slid into darkness. We don't see Yoda, we don't know Anakin becomes Vader, we don't now Luke has a twin, Anakin doesn't know his wife is pregnant when he leaves for the last time, and so forth. Preserve the surprises of the Original Trilogy. Keep Anakin as a supporting character, as he isn't strong enough to be the central figure. And so forth. I liked the writing challenge of not showing Anakin going to the Dark Side, but -- after viewing the later films and discovering that Vader was Anakin -- one could go back and re-watch the earlier films and see hints in what he's saying and doing that he's thinking things that are dangerous or a Jedi, and that you'd feel forgiven for missing them, because you were paying more attention to Obi-Wan since he was the main character.

Like that.

--Jonah
 
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