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And other than General Grievous being able to handle 6 lightsabers at the same time he was just always running away.... not very intimidating. I think we need a villian with 20 arms and holding 20 lightsabers this time! :lol Count Dookie just felt like everyone's uncle that made bad decisions and decided to go rob a bank. He was just always disappointed in everyone for not joining him... :sleep
But Darth Vader had a presence. and mystery... and dispatched people for not doing their job to his satisfaction! :D

They had an EU character that had lightsabers coming out of his knees. I'm not kidding at all. The worst part is that he was written by, usually, one of the best SW authors Aaron Allston. It was the dumbest thing I've ever had to imagine. Feast your eyes on this hideousness!
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They had an EU character that had lightsabers coming out of his knees. I'm not kidding at all. The worst part is that he was written by, usually, one of the best SW authors Aaron Allston. It was the dumbest thing I've ever had to imagine. Feast your eyes on this hideousness!

YIKES! I dont see how that could actually fight... seems more like you just wouldn't or couldn't get near him for fear of getting burned or cut. Ya, that does't say star wars to me at all... more like a Marvel archenemy. something ironman or spiderman would have to contend with. :wacko
 
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...Frankly, I think Harrison Ford has aged better than any of them and doesn't look bad at all, especially considering he's 70 years old.
71, actually. And I concur he's aged quite well, but he's made a definite effort to stay in good physical condition while Hamill and Fisher have not.

I am actually a little worried about Peter Mayhew playing Chewbacca. He apparently needs knee replacement surgery and last I saw, he uses a wheelchair and can barely walk. Even when he does, he needs the assistance of a cane. Unless Chewie is sitting all the time, is omitted (boo!), or is recast (booooo!), I'm not sure how they are gonna handle that.
This is one of my concerns as well. Chewbacca has always been one of my favorite characters so I'd like to see him included if it's possible. You'd think it would be easy to recast a part when the only part of the actor seen through the costume is his eyes, but they tried that during The Empire Strikes Back when Mayhew became ill and Kershner had to scrap all of the "body double" footage because the double's body language and movements didn't match Mayhew's.

ya, I was certain we would hear something about Anthony Daniels by now. could be everyone is on a non disclosure/confidentiality agreement for now. I still think Tony did a forehead slap when he first heard the news... I can just hear him saying "oh no, I gotta wear that suit yet again?!" LOL!
I can think of a couple of members here who would probably be more than willing to take his place. :D
 
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There is no way if given the chance that Daniels doesn't squeeze back into the suit. He is the only actor from the series I am aware if who has an exclusive contract with LucasFilm to portray 3PO whenever and wherever they need him. He!s on perpetual retainer. :)
 
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Wow. Nice work, if you can get it.

I'm against cameos for the sake of cameos. If the story REQUIRES that a character reappear, great. No problem. It'll feel natural. But just saying "And look! Heeeeeeere's Lando!!" and creating a scene for the purpose of having a character appear...that's stupid. So, yeah, I get that everyone has their favorite bit character. I'm sure there's a petition out there for Ice Cream Maker Guy to appear in the prequels because, for some people, it's just not "Star Wars" without Ice Cream Maker Guy, or any number of other callbacks to the previous films.

Actually, that brings up another issue -- locations. Do we really need yet another desert planet or ice planet or swamp planet or forest moon or whathaveyou? I can understand certain places like Coruscant appearing, since it IS the capital, but Tatooine was supposed to be a backwater. And yet, FIVE OUT OF THE SIX FILMS involve a visit to Tatooine. Enough. Move on. The one thing I actually do applaud the prequels for was showcasing some of the otehr planets like Naboo, Kashyyk, Felucia, etc. The problem was that only brief snippets appeared there. So, I'd like to see some films that actually focus on other planets instead of trips back to the same old places. That was one of the things I loved about Zahn's first trilogy. It was ALL new planets. Wayland, Myrkyr, Coruscant (new at the time), etc.


Think big, people. There's a whole galaxy TEEMING with potential characters. We don't need to bring back the old folks just to bring back the old folks.
 
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Tatooine is the home planet of both main characters in both trilogies, it makes sense that they would go back at least once. That said, I don't think we will see Tatooine. Unless, of course, Luke's child is born on Tatooine...but since I doubt Luke would ever go back there, that would be stupid, so i hope not.
 
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Tatooine is the home planet of both main characters in both trilogies, it makes sense that they would go back at least once. That said, I don't think we will see Tatooine. Unless, of course, Luke's child is born on Tatooine...but since I doubt Luke would ever go back there, that would be stupid, so i hope not.

If they go with using Ewan as Obi-Wan, they could have Luke or another Jedi discover a holocron left by him. If that happens, guess where IMHO, they would be most likely found. There would have been no reason for him to make them before Anakin turned and anytime that he would have made them after that, he would have been living on Tatooine.
 
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Film the reboots all at one time like Peter Jackson did with LOTR for continuity.

If they are going to film the EU I'd rather they go 100% CGI (and Yes, I have heard of Final Fantasy)
I wish this had been done with the Ender's Game movie.
 
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Tatooine is the home planet of both main characters in both trilogies, it makes sense that they would go back at least once. That said, I don't think we will see Tatooine. Unless, of course, Luke's child is born on Tatooine...but since I doubt Luke would ever go back there, that would be stupid, so i hope not.

Honestly, I don't think they needed to make Tatooine Anakin's home planet. There's no reason why "Uncle" Owen needed to be Luke's actual uncle. In fact, he really wasn't Luke's uncle except in a really tangential way. He could've been some guy that Anakin served with during the Clone Wars or a buddy of Obi-Wan's or the janitor in Yoda's gym. He could've been anyone. You didn't need Anakin to be from there just to get Luke to his "uncle" by Episode III.

Second, even if it is either guy's home planet, why would they need to go back at all? Luke's entire life on Tatooine is destroyed when the troopers attack the Lars homestead. He says it himself "There's nothing for me here now." And there wasn't. The only reason they went back was to get Han from Jabba, and there's no reason why Jabba needed to live on Tatooine either. Yes, one of Jabba's goons tries to hunt down Han in ANH, but so what? In the non-SE version, Jabba never appears at all on Tatooine. He could've been on Nal Hutta or living on some entirely different planet. Yes, they filmed the scene, but even if Jabba was physically present...what, he can't travel? Again, no reason to go back there unless Lucas just has a thing for shooting desert landscapes.

Anakin could've been born anywhere. Jabba could've lived anywhere. Anakin's birthplace is irrelevant to getting Luke to Tatooine. The only reason this stuff is in there is because that's how the movies were written. But the way the movies were written is not the only way they COULD have been written. Yes, if you set up enough preconditions, then you can make an argument for why they went back, and the movies do that, but I'm saying that the preconditions themselves weren't necessary.

Think of it this way. Does Lando need to be in Ep. VII? No. No he does not. People may WANT him to be, but there's no inherent reason why he would NEED to be. You could write the story such that it'd be weird for Lando to NOT appear (e.g. significant portions of the story take place on Bespin, and nobody bothers mentioning Lando at all -- that'd be weird), but there's no reason you have to do that. Why bother including Bespin, in that case? Are there no other sources of Tibanna gas? Is Tibanna gas going to be a real plot point for the story? Or are you just writing all this stuff to get Lando in so Billy Dee can flash a smile and fans can see old Lando puttering about?

By that same kind of thought process, why did Anakin need to be from Tatooine at all? Why did he need to go back to see his mom? Why did the Lars family have to get involved in precisely the way they did? No reason whatsoever. It's just how the story was written, and it could've been written any number of other ways. And even having been written the ways it was, you STILL didn't really NEED to go back to Tatooine in all of those cases. The only reason for going back -- and even this isn't even absolutely 100% necessary, but closer to, like, 98% -- is to show the handoff of Luke from Obi-Wan to the Lars family. That's it. That's the only reason you absolutely need to revisit the planet in the entire saga. The whole thing could've had exactly two (2) appearances of Tatooine. 3 at most if you absolutely HAVE to include Jabba's palace being there. The rest is just redoing what was done before because...uh...it was done before.

If they go with using Ewan as Obi-Wan, they could have Luke or another Jedi discover a holocron left by him. If that happens, guess where IMHO, they would be most likely found. There would have been no reason for him to make them before Anakin turned and anytime that he would have made them after that, he would have been living on Tatooine.

That'd make sense as a reason to revisit Tatooine, but there's also no reason they'd need to have the holocron come from Obi-Wan. Why not a Yoda holocron? Or some other Jedi we've never heard of? Why use a holocron at all? I'd submit that the only reason is so you can stick Ewan McGregor in and not have to explain why he still looks young. But again, there's no reason you HAVE to use Obi-Wan at all in the story. He could be completely gone. There's no reason why Luke would need to consult any old Jedi stuff. It could all be in the ruins of the old temple on Coruscant. Or he could decide that the Jedi failed before for a reason, and maybe we should just start over. Any number of possibilities exist.


The only reason we end up going back to this kind of stuff is because people search for ways to shoehorn a character into the story, and then concoct a reason after the fact to explain the appearance. The scenario I described with Lando is a perfect example of this kind of thinking. The starting point is never something like "We need to have the story center around a precious gas that can only be found on one planet, and that gas HAS to be Tibanna gas and that planet HAS to be Bespin....so I guess we'd better figure out how to include Lando." It's always "Lando should come back. I loved Lando. Why would Lando be back? Hmm...maybe there's...um....a Tibanna gas shortage because Sith terrorists attack Bespin?"

The problem with this is that the story itself ends up taking a backseat to "notes," as if the production office is sending notes to the writers telling them "Find a way to include Lando," rather than letting them tell an organic story on its own without feeling the pressure to include this or that moment, character, or beat JUST for the sake of familiarity or marketability. It's putting the story and its coherence and integrity secondary to the whims of the masses or the production team. This is why you have Chewbacca being best buds with Yoda in Ep. III. They wanted to include Chewbacca, so off to Kashyyk we go and since Yoda's leading the war effort there, how could you NOT have Yoda meet Chewbacca? As a result, the moment feels very "forced" and not some natural outgrowth of the story. It's a cameo for the sake of having a cameo, around which a story justification was built, rather than a story that is built which happens to require a cameo.
 
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Well, it has been well estAblushed that GL liked to revisit places, characters, and themes throught the six films. It was an intentional narrative choice to revisit Tatooine as frequently as we did. I actually enjoy that and it will be curious if the new team keeps that firm of narrative for the next three films to maintain that continuity.
 
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Well, it has been well estAblushed that GL liked to revisit places, characters, and themes throught the six films. It was an intentional narrative choice to revisit Tatooine as frequently as we did. I actually enjoy that and it will be curious if the new team keeps that firm of narrative for the next three films to maintain that continuity.

SOME revisitation is fine. But GL's penchant for that, I think, led to bad narrative choices that ended up hemming the story in, rather than being expansive. And it often led to the story feeling like it had been backed into JUST so you could put this or that character in, or show this or that moment against this or that backdrop. Now, I do think that other writers can handle this better. I'm sure that, for example, George R.R. Martin had this or that moment in his mind and then built up a story around it. But Lucas seemed a lot less concerned with building a coherent story, and instead was more focused on showcasing a cool scene and figuring out the story after the fact -- and it shows. I would prefer to avoid that as much as possible, so I say in with the new.
 
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SOME revisitation is fine. But GL's penchant for that, I think, led to bad narrative choices that ended up hemming the story in, rather than being expansive. And it often led to the story feeling like it had been backed into JUST so you could put this or that character in, or show this or that moment against this or that backdrop. Now, I do think that other writers can handle this better. I'm sure that, for example, George R.R. Martin had this or that moment in his mind and then built up a story around it. But Lucas seemed a lot less concerned with building a coherent story, and instead was more focused on showcasing a cool scene and figuring out the story after the fact -- and it shows. I would prefer to avoid that as much as possible, so I say in with the new.

Totally agree with this. The prequels and even Return of the Jedi were weakened by the fact that Lucas felt some need to include as many familiar locations and characters as he possibly could. It made the story implausible and seriously put a dent in the suspension of disbelief.

As the series has gone on its been one silly thing after another: another Death Star, yet another visit to Tatooine, yet another ridiculous connection between characters, Yoda hanging out with Chewie, Greedo in TPM, Anakin is the father of Luke and C3PO, Luke and Leia brother and sisters, round ships being destroyed when the reactor is blown up...it's just too much.

Concentrate on the characters and the story. Leave characters out. Don't revisit any world we have already seen. Don't have Han Solo wearing the same outfit at 70. Don't hire the current hot actor. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
 
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